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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCrusade for Christ in the Olympics with THIS in Opening Ceremonies.
Just before the "Parade of Nations" this was sung by a Scottish Diva.
Here are the lyrics before the Olympics (which to me were always promoted as Non-Religious and Non-Partisan display of Global Unity for the good of the young atheletes)
As a Christian I found it horribly offense to do this before Nations Parade who are NOT of the Christian Faith.
Here it is... See what YOU Think. I know that hymn. It might be appropriate in the USA or Great Britain as a "hymn in church"....but, NOT FOR and International Exhibiiton to truly embracy Inter-World Cooperation to work together.
It sounded to me like a call for "A NEW CRUSADE against the INFIDELS!"
Look for it if you are getting the USA "Delayed Feed." I saw it from BBC in "Real Time."
Be Alert for it if you are just sitting down to watch in USA!
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The hymn is a prayer for God to remain present with the speaker throughout life, through trials, and through death.
Abide with me; fast falls the eventide;
The darkness deepens; Lord with me abide.
When other helpers fail and comforts flee,
Help of the helpless, O abide with me.
Swift to its close ebbs out life's little day;
Earth's joys grow dim; its glories pass away;
Change and decay in all around I see;
O Thou who changest not, abide with me.
Not a brief glance I beg, a passing word,
But as Thou dwell'st with Thy disciples, Lord,
Familiar, condescending, patient, free.
Come not to sojourn, but abide with me.
Come not in terrors, as the King of kings,
But kind and good, with healing in Thy wings;
Tears for all woes, a heart for every plea.
Come, Friend of sinners, thus abide with me.
Thou on my head in early youth didst smile,
And though rebellious and perverse meanwhile,
Thou hast not left me, oft as I left Thee.
On to the close, O Lord, abide with me.
I need Thy presence every passing hour.
What but Thy grace can foil the tempter's power?
Who, like Thyself, my guide and stay can be?
Through cloud and sunshine, Lord, abide with me.
I fear no foe, with Thee at hand to bless;
Ills have no weight, and tears no bitterness.
Where is death's sting? Where, grave, thy victory?
I triumph still, if Thou abide with me.
Hold Thou Thy cross before my closing eyes;
Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies.
Heaven's morning breaks, and earth's vain shadows flee;
In life, in death, O Lord, abide with me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abide_with_Me
BACKGROUND:
Religious services
The hymn is popular across many denominations, and was said to be a favourite of King George V[3] and Mahatma Gandhi.[4] It is also often sung at Christian funerals. In the aftermath of the sinking of RMS Titanic, survivors reported that the Titanic's band played the hymn as the ship was sinking,[5] although detailed studies have identified other songs played by the band.
Military services
The hymn is sung at the annual Anzac Day services in Australia and New Zealand,[6] and in some Remembrance Day services in Canada[7] and the United Kingdom. It is also played by the combined bands of the Indian Armed Forces during the annual Beating Retreat ceremony held on 29 January at Vijay Chowk, New Delhi, which officially marks the end of Republic Day celebrations.[4][8] A choral version of this hymn has been arranged by Moses Hogan.
MORE AT......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abide_with_Me
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)So - if you don't like THAT best just try dealing with it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)my impression is that the Olympics are not about Religion. If I had other "religious beliefs" I would have been really offended by this long piece sung by Scottish Singer about Religion.
I am an Episcopal.....we are pretty "low-key" about doctrine...BUT...then we are the Ruling Church of England.
So, that I was offended...well take that for what you will. You obviously thought I was some Troll ...but, that's hardly what my post was about..since you REACTED without reading it in full and thinking further as to why I was so offended.
Peace!
malaise
(269,157 posts)and the role of Muscular Christianity.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)It's use goes back to 1927. See Muriel's post : http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1033650 You certainly can't compare football and rugby crowds at all.
Given that the Olympic Stadium is on West Ham's turf I suppose "I Am Forever Blowing Bubbles" might have been more apt.
Whether that would've gone down too well with the Greek athletes is a different matter.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)and not wait for the NBC/Commercialized/Commentary from Corporate Shills.
The BBC did it all without Commercials and with only two Commentators who were well informed about the countries "doing the walk."
It was refreshing...because it was my FIRST Olympics Watch that wasn't filtered through USA Media and Commercials.
I'm thankful for that. But, I have no idea how the US CORPORATE MEDIA will filter out things for watchers here in the USA tonight.
But, believe me...this is TRUE what she sung and that it was a feature BEFORE the "Parade of Olympic Nations" was very cruel. IMHO .....of course.
Spazito
(50,429 posts)On screen they showed loved ones who had died, not celebrities, not the famous, instead the public sent in photos of their loved ones to be remembered and it was those photos that were shown.
To take umbrage of the song sung for this reason is a bit over the top, imo.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)might have brought the moment home to "people of all faiths" though. Wouldn't you think?
Spazito
(50,429 posts)I doubt there will be an international incident over it. I am not a person of faith myself but don't take umbrage over music like this when it is in context as this was, imo.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Why is that?
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)Mountain, meet molehill.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,807 posts)and I'm a devout agnostic. A lot of these songs are more like traditional, national songs. They also sang "Jerusalem" and "Cwm Rhondda" (a Welsh hymn). "Jerusalem" is a gorgeous hymn with words by William Blake; I've always loved it. Here in the U.S., "God Bless America" is often treated like a second national anthem, and although I don't like it as much as the real one it doesn't bother me when it's sung as secular events. Some things- like this - aren't worth getting one's panties in a twist about.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)I'm going to have to turn my computer off so I can enjoy the ceremonies.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)"Corporatized Version."
It's EASY to do!
LAGC
(5,330 posts)I'm having trouble finding it on their web-site...
KoKo
(84,711 posts)It's truly wonderful to watch WITHOUT COMMMERCIALS or inane comments.
Parse through this Google...as I'm trying to help...but, since I have my own Internet Box you can search for what you need. I'm not going to SPAM. (But...X-BOX, Apple TV or ROKU) allow you to watch International news..for Now...at least.
http://www.google.com/search?q=BBC+Olympic+Coverage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a#q=BBC+Olympic+Coverage&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=rIb&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&prmd=imvnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=5S8TUOe8FNO50QHAjoGACg&ved=0CBUQqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a4a6e439b5560e89&biw=1024&bih=605
Ignore that "smiley stuff" and just hit the "link" and you will probably find what you are looking for.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,348 posts)and also every Rugby League Challenge Cup since 1929.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abide_with_Me#FA_Cup_Final
It thus has a long connection with sporting events in Britain.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)in Olympics Ceremonies before the "Parade of Nations" who have many different religious orientations and beliefs than Christianity, though?
I'd appreciate a link that addresses this.
Retrograde
(10,145 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)I've never seen the "sponsoring nation" take a religious viewpoint in an overt way.
Do you have some examples as to this?
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I have to say you leave me confused. What about the rest of it?
Spazito
(50,429 posts)Daniel Rodriguez sung it during the Opening Ceremony. I had no problem with that.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,807 posts)which is the national anthem of the UK. But it mentions God....
KoKo
(84,711 posts)before the "Nation Walk." There's a difference.
Sort of like playing "Star Spangled Banner" for USA Olympics but having Michelle Bachmann sing..."Abide With Me" before the "Nation Walk."
If Michelle Bachman sang it at the Olympics here in USA...perhaps more would be upset?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,807 posts)If Michele Bachmann were to sing anything I would probably throw up. I would throw up if she sang "Gimme Shelter" or "The Lion Sleeps Tonight." However, music that happens to be of a religious nature that is performed because it is a national favorite just does not bother me. Of all the things in the world to get worked up about, this ranks somewhere way down the list from toilet paper hung with the sheets coming out the back instead of (correctly) over the top.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)their own beliefs and music featured as the "Spirt of the Olympics?"
What if it was a country that harbored "Muslim Terrorists" and they had a video of a Bin Laden Suppoter singing a jihadist rally for their religion and because it was Pakistan or Afghanistan holding the Olympics it would just be just their "national tradition?"
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,807 posts)You know, I have to go check to be sure my toilet paper roll is installed correctly, with the paper going over the top. Then I'll come back and worry about this.
Or not.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I should have known better.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,807 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)"backwards, forwards"... Whichever the way it rolls to get the job done... Why obsess?
If you'd read the OP you would have seen the lyrics. Cross...Crusaders...offensive to the delegations from other countries who have many different religions.
It's about International Competition. And a Spirt of Humanity and Respect for us all as the Global Community.
But, you don't get it..and therefore it's about "toilet paper."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,807 posts)And I still don't care.
And you don't get the concept of metaphor, which I was using to try to explain how utterly unimportant this is.
And now I'm done with it.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)If I were you I'd delete this thread and pray it is soon forgotten.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But they also have a country where two of the three major party leaders are atheists, and nobody cares.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)You don't see the difference?
ellenfl
(8,660 posts)two of my favorite pieces of music are 'amazing grace' and the 'hallelujah chorus' from handel's 'messiah'. as an atheist, they are just beautiful music to me.
ellen fl
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Seriously.
AnnieBW
(10,449 posts)Maypoles are as Pagan as you can get! Oh, and Glastonbury Tor is supposedly the site of King Arthur's burial. So, we'll let the Christians have their little hymns.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)This song was the background to the tribute to the 7/7 London attack victims. NBC cut the footage and inserted an interview that Ryan Seacrest ("journalist" that he is) did with Michael Phelps instead.
So no worries - the US delayed feed protected us from that.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/28/1114648/-NBC-We-skipped-terror-tribute-because-it-wasn-t-tailored-for-the-U-S-audience
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I would think they would love this because it appeals to the RW Calvinists in our Society.
Many here got my post wrong. Somehow they thought I was "trashing" Olympics...but, I was pointing out that Olympics were being used in that segment for the RW Chritianists viewpoint (Calvinistic)
Whatever...I'm used to DU'ers always thinking I'm some kind of RW Troll even though I've been on DU since 2001 and Skinner knows I've never Changed My Name or e-mail address...and he knows I have no SOCKS or other stuff.
Many won't be satisfied until every last Progressive/Liberal is pushed out, though.
So ...whatever.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)I thought you were complaining about the hymn.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)you wonder why I would flag it?
To be clear...I have a ROKU BOX so I saw the Opening Ceremonies before the rest of you did...and I was so pissed that I "jumped the box" and posted....not realizing that many of you were stuck with the NBC stuff.
My Bad on that one. And..that NBC deleted it makes it worse that they deleted what I was addressing.
But, nevermind. Things like this tell many of us we shouldn't bother to post what we feel is Hypocritical stuff when we see it. Best to remain.......SILENT!
It's clear.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)The hymn is about EMPIRE!
Haven't we had ENOUGH EMPIRE?
Why am I apologizing for posting about something so offensive to me!