HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Wait, WHAT???!!!??? Fox ...

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:09 AM

Wait, WHAT???!!!??? Fox News says "Obama's right. Americans can't succeed without government"

My mind is totally blown!

Obama's right, Americans can't succeed without government

My grandfather was a small business entrepreneur. He owned a clothing store in Penns Grove, New Jersey, and families came from across the southern part of the state to get slacks and blouses and jumpers for their kids. My grandfather employed two people who earned decent, middle class wages and made a good living for himself, probably upper middle class for that region.

And good for him. He worked hard and earned it.

But there were things that helped my grandfatherís business that he didnít have to pay for. The roads trucks drove on to bring him products to sell. The court system that incorporated his business and protected the patents of what he sold. The police force that made it safe for people to shop there. The public schools that taught his employees how to read and do math, so my grandfather didnít have to teach them. Make no mistake about it ó my grandfather succeeded because of his hard work and initiative. But government played a supporting role.

By grandfather was not rich, certainly not by todayís standards. But when Ronald Reagan was president, my grandfather paid almost 50% of his income in taxes to help make sure that good public schools and safe streets and the things we all need to succeed in America would be available for the next generation. Today, hedge fund managers and big business CEOs pay lower tax rates than middle class families. In fact, the tax rate for the very wealthy is the lowest itís been in over 60 years

--snip--

My grandfather built his business with his own two hands, ran it every day, paid far more than his due of taxes and never complained. He would be appalled that big business CEOs today arenít paying near their fair share.

We should all be appalled.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/17/obama-right-americans-cant-succeed-without-government/?intcmp=obinsite#ixzz21vUZDfL5



38 replies, 8906 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 38 replies Author Time Post
Reply Wait, WHAT???!!!??? Fox News says "Obama's right. Americans can't succeed without government" (Original post)
cleanhippie Jul 2012 OP
wolfgirl Jul 2012 #1
rfranklin Jul 2012 #2
Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #3
nc4bo Jul 2012 #8
riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #12
turtlerescue1 Jul 2012 #4
BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #5
Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #6
NBachers Jul 2012 #7
OneGrassRoot Jul 2012 #9
nc4bo Jul 2012 #11
barbtries Jul 2012 #30
OneGrassRoot Jul 2012 #35
magical thyme Jul 2012 #37
Frustratedlady Jul 2012 #10
Blanks Jul 2012 #13
allan01 Jul 2012 #14
vinny9698 Jul 2012 #15
freshwest Jul 2012 #28
mountain grammy Jul 2012 #16
evilhime Jul 2012 #17
Zax2me Jul 2012 #18
Igel Jul 2012 #25
crim son Jul 2012 #19
quaker bill Jul 2012 #20
steve2470 Jul 2012 #21
valerief Jul 2012 #22
stlsaxman Jul 2012 #23
KansDem Jul 2012 #24
laundry_queen Jul 2012 #26
freshwest Jul 2012 #27
AnnieK401 Jul 2012 #29
progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #33
AnnieBW Jul 2012 #31
progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #32
RedCappedBandit Jul 2012 #34
Danmel Jul 2012 #36
marble falls Jul 2012 #38

Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:14 AM

1. WTF?

I may have to lay down for a while to let this actual truth heard on Fox sink in!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:14 AM

2. Somebody's going to have to answr for this outrage!

 

Sally may be disappeared!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:15 AM

3. The author is not your typical right wing nut job. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:09 AM

8. Oh she most certainly is not.

http://sallykohn.com/speaking/

Hmmm.....and she is openly gay and outspoken about many, many issues that are opposite of typical Faux Noise.

Wow - I can't get over that she's works for Fox News in any capacity.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:32 AM

12. You are so correct

I almost typed "right"..

She is definately Fox's left leaning journalist...one of only a few.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:16 AM

4. Wait, my eyes must be deceiving me....

That will wake up a person on a Saturday morning.
Thanks, I think, cleanhippie.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:17 AM

5. Quick! Save a copy. That link probably won't last long

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:20 AM

6. It's a new day.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:59 AM

7. Alllright, what's the setup here?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:12 AM

9. Sally is their authentic token liberal. She describes herself as...

a cross between Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart.

Love her.

http://sallykohn.com/

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:19 AM

11. Thanks chiming in Onegrassroot. I was finding myself liking her by what I was reading

but know there are many people who are alot more familiar with her than I.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 05:50 PM

30. but then how can she work for fox?

there's some kind of disconnect there...i don't think i could stomach working for that organization. though i'm sure she'd say she's working on them from the inside or something. oh well.
i did not click the link. are there comments? i bet those would be interesting.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to barbtries (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:00 AM

35. I'm not sure exactly how, or why, she does it.

I've followed her for a while, as she's grown in popularity and exposure. She connected with Fox at Occupy New York protests, hounding them to show an opposing view, articulating the progressive viewpoint. Not in a professional way but just a "gal on the street" kind of way. That somehow turned into an invitation to work for Fox.

I don't know that I could do it, that's for sure.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:22 AM

37. good on her and good on Fox for cracking open the door

 

to their vapid minds. Plenty of space for her to infiltrate in there. Wish I had the hutzpa, smartz and drive.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:15 AM

10. Where's the, "but...." or the "however..."?

That was an excellent article. Maybe we should flood the site (won't mention the name of the news organization) with letters of praise?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:33 AM

13. This is the perfect link...

...for all the little Facebook posts that misrepresent what Obama said.

Good find.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:50 AM

14. re: Wait, WHAT???!!!??? Fox News says "Obama's right. Americans can't succeed without government"

i just posted this on my fb. i normaly hate fb. but lately a lot of good stuff "

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 11:53 AM

15. Hoover Dam government project made possible and created Las Vegas

If it wasn't for Hoover Dam, Las Vegas would just be a small town in the desert. The workers would go down to Las Vegas to gamble, drink, and hook up with hookers. The government sponsored housing did not allow those activities so workers went to Vegas.
Without the cheap hydroelectric power and Lake Meade, where would Las Vegas be today?
All because of a government project.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to vinny9698 (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:19 PM

28. +1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:01 PM

16. oops, first Shep Smith and now this Sally woman

Ailes must be choking.. maybe he's dying. Maybe the Mayans were right (correct.) Articulate too! Don't know whether to be happy or cynical. You're killing me, fox!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:08 PM

17. Someone at Fox can tell the truth!

My father used to say he was fine paying taxes since it meant he was making money . . . too bad a lot of the so-called entrepreneurs don't feel that way today. I also feel that many of the worst offenders, the CEOs of big business and banks today are mostly hired guns not the ones who created what they are now profiting outrageously from running.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:09 PM

18. Leave it to Fox - no such thing as a self-made success.

 

Which Obama touts. Fox now denies.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zax2me (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:42 PM

25. You see, that's not a helpful assertion.

If they're not self-made then they're other-made. Let's not quibble over the forced choice just yet.

That means they aren't responsible for their success. They have no right to their success. Those who made it, own it. That's us. They're just squatters.

Of course nobody means that. Until you look around, then it's obvious that's just what they mean. If everybody gets roughly equivalent government support and some do a lot better, that "a lot better" is what they mean by "self-made." They did something most others don't. That "something" is crucial. If you both start at the same place, the person who did nothing or little with what they were given, well, that's possibly luck, but usually it's a lot more than luck.

That's what I tell my kids. Yeah, luck happens, but not consistently and unless you're on your game it does nothing for you. When a kid does well in class, I don't pat myself on the back. The kid did the work. Self-congratution is self-condemnatino myself: Why didn't all 30 of them do well?

The other kids try to drag the high-achiever down: "You're just smart! You're lucky! The teacher likes you!" They're justifications for mediocrity: avoiding effort, consequences of choices, and being generally resentful about having to set foot in my room. Yeah, that high achiever didn't do it on her own--but you other 29, you got all the same help. What's your excuse? Bad genetics? Bad luck? I'm out to get you?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:18 PM

19. Wow. Maybe all those Republican sexual predators

really were mislabeled as Dems by mistake! Because this opinion was surely published in error. Heh.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:38 PM

20. Maybe they are trying to give Rmoney a clue

Or perhaps they have decided that this line is working with their viewers. Back in the day, and not so long a go really, working hard and honestly paying your taxes was the conservative and patriotic thing to do. It was all about supporting your country. You only have to go back to my parent's and grandparent's generations. They felt pretty strongly that people working gimmicks to get out of their tax liability were immoral, just like folks who cheated on ration tickets....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:40 PM

21. whoa... she'll be banned from Faux News soon lol nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 12:42 PM

22. It's DEFINITELY going to be a brokered GOP convention. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:12 PM

23. Hell Hath Frozen And The Pigs Have Flown.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 01:26 PM

24. This is some kind of ploy!

Wait...for the other shoe to drop!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KansDem (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:14 PM

26. That's what I keep thinking

WHY are they doing this? They must have some kind of plan....it's a set up.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:17 PM

27. A reality-based piece at Fox? In unrelated news, Cats and Dogs living together, story at 11...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 03:23 PM

29. I believe Murdoch secretly wants Obama to win

If he loses who will Fox spend 24/7 trashing?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AnnieK401 (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:10 PM

33. well it WAS Murdoch's paper in the UK that headlined "Mitt the Twit" n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:22 PM

31. The Peasants Are Revolting!

Of course they are. They're peasants.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:10 PM

32. I'll take it where I can get it, and if Fox news says something intelligent, I won't quibble.

but they're right. Success does not exist in a vacuum. Even dumbass Romney had all kinds of help from his church, his family, tax breaks, the Cayman Islands, and his accountants.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 12:42 AM

34. I'm having a rough time..

coming to terms with the fact that I just linked to a fox news article on my FB. lol

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:04 AM

36. how did they let that on their site?

Shocking

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 08:55 AM

38. Fox is repositioning for the inevitable Obama second term

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread