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Thu Mar 22, 2018, 11:30 AM

When Black Voters Exited Left: What African Americans lost by aligning with the Democratic Party

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/exit-left/476190/

Democratic lawmakers drafted civil-rights legislation that would challenge Jim Crow laws in the South while leaving de facto segregation in the North intact. When NBC News asked the civil-rights organizer Bayard Rustin why many African American communities rioted the summer after the bill passed, he said, “People have to understand that although the civil-rights bill was good and something for which I worked arduously, there was nothing in it that had any effect whatsoever on the three major problems Negroes face in the North: housing, jobs, and integrated schools…the civil-rights bill, because of this failure, has caused an even deeper frustration in the North.” Today’s protest movements against second-class citizenship in Baltimore, Ferguson, Oakland, and elsewhere are in part a legacy of the unresolved failures of civil-rights legislation.

Unfortunately for black voters, most white politicians and voters assume that the civil-rights revolution not only leveled the playing field, but also tilted it in favor of African Americans. The white backlash to civil rights helped resurrect the Republican Party after the disastrous Goldwater campaign in 1964, and, over the last five decades, the Democratic Party has followed the electorate to the right.

This poses the biggest problem for black voters today, which is that Democrats running for state or national office aspire to win black votes without appearing to be beholden to black voters. This is especially true of the three Democratic presidents since Kennedy and Johnson. Black support was crucial to the elections of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton (each received over 80 percent of black votes), but both distanced themselves from policies that might seem to disproportionately help black people. Urban League Director Vernon Jordan outlined his concerns a year into Carter’s presidency: “We have no full employment policy. We have no welfare reform policy. We have no national health policy. We have no urban revitalization policy. We have no aggressive affirmative action policy. We have no solutions to the grinding problems of poverty and discrimination.”


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Reply When Black Voters Exited Left: What African Americans lost by aligning with the Democratic Party (Original post)
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 OP
denbot Mar 2018 #1
Wwcd Mar 2018 #2
leftstreet Mar 2018 #5
Wwcd Mar 2018 #7
leftstreet Mar 2018 #8
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #13
LanternWaste Mar 2018 #68
brush Mar 2018 #92
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #15
Wwcd Mar 2018 #28
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #53
EffieBlack Mar 2018 #81
FarCenter Mar 2018 #60
brush Mar 2018 #93
leftstreet Mar 2018 #50
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #54
George II Mar 2018 #87
edhopper Mar 2018 #3
appalachiablue Mar 2018 #17
NCTraveler Mar 2018 #4
uponit7771 Mar 2018 #12
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #25
leftstreet Mar 2018 #6
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #23
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #95
Exotica Mar 2018 #114
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qwlauren35 Mar 2018 #10
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #11
herding cats Mar 2018 #18
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Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #96
Hortensis Mar 2018 #116
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herding cats Mar 2018 #29
Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #42
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blake2012 Mar 2018 #14
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Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #21
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NCTraveler Mar 2018 #32
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underthematrix Mar 2018 #30
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 11:40 AM

1. You forgot to quote Shitlers what do you have to lose bullshit.

Seeing as you’re following his meme..

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 12:26 PM

2. Bringing yet another Democrat hit piece to Democratic Underground

 

This is a flat out lie:

This poses the biggest problem for black voters today, which is that Democrats running for state or national office aspire to win black votes without appearing to be beholden to black voters.


Without "appearing"? Keyword here. Insert doubt & carry on with the Big Lie.


Who wrote this & what was their agenda?
Because that quote alone is the biggest tell that the intent of this article is to push a lie.

No thanks. We can do better to unite the People against fascism than this.


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Response to Wwcd (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 12:52 PM

5. Pointing out policy failures is hardly a 'hit piece' n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 12:55 PM

7. No, it's a hit piece with smidge of something added here & there to make the point of the article

 

easier to swallow.

Of course its a hit piece.


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Response to Wwcd (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 12:57 PM

8. Clinton himself acknowledges some of those failures

when he does so, is he running a hit-piece on Democrats?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:12 PM

13. link...

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:02 PM

68. Let's not pretend all motives are equal or equivalent.

Let's not pretend all motives are equal or equivalent.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 06:42 PM

92. Wake up. This is a two-year-old article, clearly designed to divide, being posted here in an...

election year.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:13 PM

15. it is not a policy failure.

We haven't had the power to fix it...and since we were kneecapped in 16...it is worse.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:49 PM

28. Perhaps the author could tell us about the "Southern Strategy"

 

It was The Democratic Party that began the fight to pull Blacks out of poverty, & their constant submission to a white Republican law making body.
The Democratic Party took on the well entrenched Southern Strategy.
The Southern strategy was Richard Nixon's strategy to whiteify the electorate so Republicans could hold onto power in light of demographic ...


The Democratic Party has always been there, pushing back against this White Right Supremacist stronghold in our political system.

The failure of policy to lift a demographic out of suppressive lifestyles lies squarely on the backs of the Republican leaders.
The Democratic Party is not the racist Party.

This author should write his next piece on how the Old Republican Party of white supremacy made their way to a permanent political stronghold in the Lawmaking bodies of the southern states, and how they have kept it there.
How their policies have kept Black suppression in place from schools to employment, criminal justice to the voting booth.

Tell us again who it really was fighting against the Republican White Majority.
It has been the always liberal & always progressive Democratic Party that has had to move that racist entrenchment of white superiority that still clings to their racist ideology today.

It is an absolute insult to lay this failure on the Democratic Party.
Start with the Southrn Strategy & then come back and tell us who has failed.
It is not the Democratic Party.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:19 PM

53. Belmont (author) write exclusively on race he has an agenda for sure.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #53)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:05 PM

81. Belmont may very well have an agenda, but writing exclusively about race isn't proof of it

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:37 PM

60. Up until the Johnson administration, the segregationist Southern Democrats held power in the South

 

Examples of said Democrats would include Oville Faubus, Lester Maddox and George Wallace. They normally aligned with Northern Democrats, except for the Dixiecrat secession from the party in 1948.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

Even though proportionately more Republican Senators and Representatives voted for the Civil Right Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, white southerners felt betrayed by the Democratic Party and migrated towards the Republican Party. This shift was consolidated by the Southern Strategy in 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #60)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 06:56 PM

93. All of that has been well known for years. The dixiecrats left after major civil right legislation..

passed and the Freedom Democratic Party lead by Fannie Lou Hamer fought to be seated at the '64 Democratic Convention.

Again, this old news is well known and has been for years so for this two-year-old article regurgitating politics of division in an election year, and clearly aimed at splitting off African-Americans who make up a significant portion of the Democratic Party base, has a highly suspect agenda.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:15 PM

50. Punitive welfare and penal 'reforms' were policy failures n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:22 PM

54. way to vague...what votes and what laws were passed and when.

And now we have the GOP wanting to execute Drug dealers...and of course this mean black and brown folks. You really think the party or racism is better for POC. This article is a hit job on Democrats and the party.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:15 PM

87. Far more (and worse) than merely "policy failures". This is yet another bashing of Democrats.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 12:43 PM

3. bullshit

they need to vote for Democrats because the GOP will take away their rights.

They have a lot to lose.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:22 PM

17. Correct, the bottom line. Title & tone of the article is clearly, hit piece to divide.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 12:47 PM

4. Interesting article.

 

Some blatant falsehoods mixed in with some excellent historical context.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:11 PM

12. +1, the title alone is full of red herrings

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:42 PM

25. Most of it unsupported if you read it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

6. DURec

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:41 PM

23. Really? I would unrec if I could...but then winning elections is my number one priority.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:01 PM

95. Your agenda and others are NOT the same, but yours and mine are.

If a BLACK poster here brings this up, then I will give it the attention it deserves.

If it seems to be happening to DIVIDE us, yet again, I might consider that also.

Surely the author of the article, at least , is black?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #95)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 10:33 PM

114. yes they are

 

https://mattdelmont.com/2015/08/29/bio/

Matt Delmont
Director & Professor, School of Historical, Philosophical & Religious Studies at Arizona State University


Dr. Matthew Delmont is a professor of History and the Director of the School of Historical, Philosophical, and Religious Studies at Arizona State University. He is the author of three books: Why Busing Failed: Race, Media, and the National Resistance to School Desegregation (University of California Press, 2016); Making Roots: A Nation Captivated (University of California Press, 2016); and The Nicest Kids in Town: American Bandstand, Rock ‘n’ Roll, and the Struggle for Civil Rights in 1950s Philadelphia (University of California Press, 2012). His work has also appeared in The New York Times, The Atlantic, the Washington Post, and several academic journals. Originally from Minneapolis, Minnesota, Delmont earned his B.A from Harvard University and his Ph.D. from Brown University.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:00 PM

9. Oh, this is a winning tact. Hopeless. -nt

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:01 PM

10. You have to be clear about the options.

The numero uno option is to run for office. The numero deux option is to campaign for candidates who support your interests, and oppose candidates who do not. That also means fundraising and fighting for registered Democrats to vote in the primaries. Option #3 is to register independent and force candidates to court your vote.

Next, is what you do once someone gets elected. You call, you write, you write letters to the Editor, you go to the local office, you speak at town meetings.

It's exhausting. I've tried it.

The last thing you do, and this article doesn't do it, is you cultivate allies. Now, that is SUPER hard. Those who are white and socio-economically aligned with our poorest black voters are Republicans. So, the only option is a socially conservative, pro-life, anti-gay, pro-gun, black Democratic candidate. Or Independent. And you have to have a LOT of money to win as an Independent.

When I look at what happened in Alabama, there were two things. African-Americans came out in droves, and some whites switched parties. It took both. We don't like to talk about it, but winning Republican voters in red states is a must. And only conservative Democrats can pull it off. Like Kirsten Gillibrand.

I remember when Nancy Pelosi said that it has to be okay to have a pro-Life Democrat. I was sick inside. Is that what it takes? I don't have an answer. But I have to admit, if a black pro-life Democratic candidate offered to champion black issues, I'd be torn. It would really depend on who was running against him... in the primaries.

It's messed up.

That said, you probably shouldn't have posted that article here.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:09 PM

11. You resurrected this from 16? Really an old hit piece.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:30 PM

18. All things old are new again.

It is an election year after all. We must gather our forces into a circle before we start firing.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:32 PM

19. One has to wonder why so much effort to hit Democrats in an election year.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:03 PM

96. I get why it happens OUT THERE, but...well, you know

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #96)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 06:21 AM

116. Absolutely. Election year? Stock up on ammo and shoot IN.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 11:34 AM

121. When someone talks about the plight of a minority but is not themselves that minority,

I look at motive, often you will see foul play. Not always.

BRINGING it up on social media is what I am referring to of course. Otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it no matter WHO wrote it.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:43 PM

26. Disgusting article and it is blatantly obvious why it was posted.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:51 PM

29. Oh, I agree.

I remember the infighting and the division from when this article was published.

Like I said, all things old are new again.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:05 PM

42. It came out in in 16.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:01 PM

80. Yes, which was particularly divisive

Due in part to many such pieces such as this one which were circulating around the internet. We still haven't overcome the damages done during that time from all the hit pieces aimed at dividing Democrats.

Which is why I can think of no good reason to post this again now.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:13 PM

14. Garbage. Who else is going to speak for them? Racist shithead Republicans? Bullshit

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:15 PM

16. Timely piece!

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:38 PM

21. Sure hit Democrats in an election year...that worked out so well the year this article first came tw

which was two years ago. Democrats are POC only champion...the GOP runs white supremacists and Nazis. Now who gains by attacks on the Democratic pAarty? hmmm

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:33 PM

20. I have some great articles from 1948 to put out here, too

Two years is an eon in politics. Is there nothing written since March 2016 that makes the point with current news?

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Response to DFW (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:40 PM

22. Nah...a 16 style hit piece to discourage Democrats from voting was needed... After all 16 was so

successful for those who find this sort of thing necessary...for the rest of us stuck with Trump not so much.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:45 PM

27. There WAS a lot of this going around two years ago, that's true.

Dredging up divisive stuff and posting here is of dubious value at best, and at worst, well, we've seen enough of THAT in the last 2 years to know the what and why.

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Response to DFW (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:06 PM

43. Indeed...we know the drill.

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Response to DFW (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:01 PM

32. Sure there is. This is from the same author in April of 2016.

 

Bernie Sanders and the Unsung Struggle for Civil Rights in the North

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-sanders-and-a-civil-rights-turning-point/479739/



Ask and you shall receive!

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:09 PM

45. 1963...and entire decade and a half (early 70's too)...and this is it?

No more protesting?

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 10:35 PM

115. OMFG.. Of course it is.

Thanks for Shining the Light on this, NCTraveler

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 12:47 PM

123. Well that's a hoot.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:41 PM

24. This 2 year old article was designed to elect Trump by dividing us on the left

Vice aired some BS like this about black people in Alabama right before the Doug Jones election also. Liberals are our own worst enemy.

Black people have been migrating from North to South for many years with the decline of rust belt manufacturing.

Consequently, the outlook for blacks in the United States regarding housing, jobs, education, and criminal justice is little better today than when Kennedy helped get King out of jail in 1960.
How can anyone take this line seriously?

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:04 PM

97. Of course it was, and it worked.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:51 PM

30. As an African American, I understand both whiteness and white people.

This article is about stirring the pot. My ONLY goal is turn the House and Senate BLUE, Navy Blue. African Americans are gonna need to go stealth like we did back in the day. I don't want attention or kudos or acknowledgement. I just wanna turn the Congress blue. It's the only way to restore our Democracy and Democratic institutions.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 01:57 PM

31. Thank you.

 

"I just wanna turn the Congress blue. It's the only way to restore our Democracy and Democratic institutions."

That is as simplified as it gets.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:09 PM

83. +1

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:05 PM

98. Thank you. voice of reason

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 08:20 PM

104. Thank you! This brown American agrees

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 09:23 PM

110. + ∞ . nt

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:18 PM

33. Hmmmm? What's the agenda here with this post? Division?

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Response to brush (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:50 PM

38. No. I just wanna make it clear there's nothing more urgent or important than turning the Congress

blue. NOTHING. This is the common goal that goes beyond any of our differences.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:03 PM

41. My response was to the OP. A two-year-old article on division in an election year?

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:25 PM

55. hahahaha...none of those important issues can be accomplished without turning the Congress Blue.

The cart before the horse post. Winning back the majority is a common goal that goes beyond our differences. It is essential in order to save this country.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:34 PM

34. Speaking "REALITY" because this OP post is a divisive intending hit piece

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:34 PM

35. I agree with this assessment

Democrats have done the bare minimum to get black voters to votes against electing policy makers who would reverse meager gains, then expect loyalty and gratitude. The win at all cost neglected to explore what people of color want when it comes to policy goals. The Democratic party's alliance with the 2nd wave women's movement is a clear example.
They were so focused on economic opportunities (for white women) that the possibility that some women who would rather be home with their kids was not part of the agenda. Domestic workers were predominantly black women who did not see gains in autonomy because they were taking care of the children and homes of white women who were making advancements.
As liberals focused on promoting successful careers for white women, women who would rather stay home and raise their kids were decided. Especially if they needed a social safety net to do so. Everytime welfare reform came up, black women with children were front and center in the propaganda. Democrats exploited rather than challenged it.
Segregation, health disparities, economic disparities, police brutality are among many other expressions of white supremacy that are deeply embedded and persistent. Democrats are still quick to deny that such things exist, much less look for policies to address them.
"All lives matter" is not just a RW mantra.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:42 PM

36. Bullshit.

All lives matter is definitely an RW mantra and insinuating there is no difference between the RW and Democrats on matters of equality is absolutely appalling.

Sure we need to better, but that kind of hyperbole is ridiculous.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:47 PM

37. It's a complicated topic but it's an important one. I'm not sure why it always gets so much

resistance when it's brought up, though. I mean, I have some ideas. But as an institution built within a framework of white supremacy, the Democratic party -- as all institutions in the country that have been built within a framework of white supremacy -- must not fear the hard conversations required to make ourselves stronger and better.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:53 PM

39. The Hits just keep on comin. Another total load of bs.

 

Stop it.
You damned well know what you're implying.


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Response to Wwcd (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:57 PM

40. Not sure what you think I'm implying, but I'll say what I mean straight out.

The Democratic party tends to take voters of color, particularly black voters, for granted. Some Democratic candidates and elected officials aren't great on race when it comes to awareness, effects of policy, community concerns, etc. Some Democratic activists aren't interested in racial issues beyond election day.

Is it better than what the Republican party does? Sure, but that doesn't make it acceptable, right or something that doesn't need changing.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:11 PM

46. agree

 

Is it better than what the Republican party does!!! Sure, but that doesn't make it acceptable, right or something that doesn't need changing.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:15 PM

48. That assumes that poc are not the democratic party.

 

Take some fucking ownership.

Run for office. Sitting back and whinging is easy. Do something about it if you agree with this nonsense.

There is nothing preventing POC from running and steering the democrats any way they want. Waiting for the white folks to deliver it to you is foolish. There are tons of districts that are majority minority that are represented by white guys. Run someone!

The only way to affect the change you want is to get your feet wet and do it.

I grow increasingly tired of reading how poc are the backbone of the Dem party in one breathe and in the next complaining that dems don't do enough for them. If they are the backbone then running candidates that do represent them should be dead easy.

You can't have both.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #48)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:42 PM

63. "There is nothing preventing POC from running and steering the democrats any way they want."

Except the institutional racism present within our nation, our political system and its parties. Except the dismissal of concerns from POC as being "divisive" or "too much too soon" or "identity politics." Except the vast wealth differential between white people and POC, and we all know how easy it is to run without money.

I grow increasingly tired of reading how poc are the backbone of the Dem party in one breathe and in the next complaining that dems don't do enough for them.


Oh my goodness, you poor dear. Do take a load off. It must be so, so hard to hear how people aren't happy. And after all you do for them.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 09:20 PM

108. The Democratic Party very much appreciates our

Democratic Base. Hillary was all about helping our African Americans brothers and sisters in her campaign.

And, so was President Barack Obama.. and since he's retired he's doing exactly what he said he would do..

My Brother's Keeper forges ahead with Obama and despite Trump



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/10/03/my-brothers-keeper-forges-ahead-with-obama-and-despite-trump/

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Response to Cha (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 10:05 PM

111. What more proof do you need to know how endeared POC are to the Dem Party,

 

and especially Bill & Hillary Clinton.

The Clintons have always been the friends they could rely on when other politicians ignored them & exploited them merely for campaign photo ops.

POC know who has always had their back.

Thank you President Barack Obama & First Lady Michele Obama, President Bill & Sec Hillary Clinton, and the great, strong Democratic Party.
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Here's another favorite: Oct 2016
Sybrina Fulton, Gwen Carr, Lucy McBath, and more took to the stage at the Democratic National Convention Tuesday night (July 26) to speak on behalf of their sons and daughters they lost due to gun violence, as well as to show their support for Hillary Clinton.


?s=20

The future of creating change was stolen from these women also in 2016





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Response to Wwcd (Reply #111)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 10:21 PM

112. Trayvon Martin's Mom, Sybrina, had it exactly

right!

Mahalo for that, Wwcd.. too bad more didn't listen to what she had to say instead of the 3rd party RFs like Jill Stein and ssarandon.

Hillary Clinton was more dangerous than Donald Trump: Susan Sarandon

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/hillary-clinton-was-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump-susan-sarandon/articleshow/61830158.cms

People who voted for Jill Stein were tricked, and we are all paying for it

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/hillary-clinton-was-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump-susan-sarandon/articleshow/61830158.cms

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Response to Cha (Reply #112)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 10:23 PM

113. Yes Cha.

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:14 PM

47. I think part has to do with the accepted but confused understanding of white supremacy

The idea that racism is a phenomenon based purely on hate is has to be challenged internally and culturallyy. It's a lot of work and requires admissions of being very wrong for a very long time. To give the benefit of the doubt, I think that people don't understand how much work we still need to do. But, I still get frustrated by the resistance to exploring possibilities that could provide foundations for real progress for marginalized individuals.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:15 PM

49. Very, very well said. Thank you.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:06 PM

44. If any Administration Put Black Concerns to the Top of Priority....

 

If any Administration Put Black Concerns to the Top of Priority.... there would be so much backlash, not just from Republicans, but from Working Class and Poor Democrats whites as well. That is the Real Fact!!!

As Black People- We've always said:
I Don't Want Nobody To Give Me Nothing, Just Open the Doors (of Equality, Honestly and Fairly) I'll Get It Myself.


Pieces like this OP, want to stir up something, that neither Republican nor Democrats will push to the top of their agenda. People pushed that same stuff when Obama was President, and IF Obama had tried to push Black Concerns to the Top, the Tea Party would have gone even more ballistic than they did at just seeing a black man as President. So, Obama's aim and goal, was as he said "LET'S REBUILD FROM THE BOTTOM UP, AND MAKE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL AMERICAN'S... Even when he said that, some of the Right leaning Democrats did not get on the wagon or become cheer leaders for it, and Republican went into full on war mode to attack anything and everything President Obama would propose, and OUR system, even let the Republican Block his right to fill the Supreme Court Position.


So, let's not get into spinning the game of "trying to play black people as a political pawn".... Black people support the Democratic Party, because if one notes, as the Democratic Conventions IT IS FILLED WITH DIVERSITY, where as the Republican Conventions is 99.8% white people.

People have the wrong concept about black people... We are more like what James Brown said, and he said it decades ago... I don't want nobody to give me, Just Open the Doors (of Equality Honestly and Fairly) I'll get it myself.


Black people took care of white people for Centuries, now if people get out of the way and stop the block and tackle, shuffle and playing shell games, talking loud and saying nothing, and Open Up the Door, we will get things for ourselves.

Look at the long hidden history of Stolen Contribution derived by forced Slave Labor to American white society, and look at Black Inventions and Black innovations that have been transformative in America .... there's a long history of capability and abilities that represent much more than credit is given.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:59 PM

66. That college cheerleader stuff doesn't fly where I'm from in Houston

 

or where I livein Memphis. We don't need more of the "Rah, rah, just get out of our way" because the FACT is that "out of our way" is a million times more revolutionary than white folks' worst nightmare.

Get out of our way? 60 Trillion f'ing dollars were drained from our community since the days of the middle passage. 60 Trillion dollars that we not only never got back but are having multiplied every day while we are exploited by rich white people. 60 Trillion dollars of homes to be passed down, of educations, of communities, of families and of futures have been stolen from us. Get out of the way? . . . Give us back what you stole.

Get out of our way? The vast majority of criminal laws were INTENTIONALLY designed to put black people in prison or to give cops the right to shoot us down. Michael Brown is dead because white folks made it a crime to walk down the side of the street so cops would have the "discretion" to yank folks over to "talk to them," knowing that 9 times out of 10 it would be US who got yanked over. Get out of our way? Repeal every post Civil War criminal law and replace them with laws that criminalize conduct which causes DIRECT and SERIOUS harm to another person. Get out of our way? Strip cops of the power to use any force not also allowed to private citizens and give us the same rights of self-defense when they do. Get out of our way, free and enfranchise the millions of black men who were victimized by the 1996 Violent Crime Act and its state-level counterparts.

Do you seriously think white folks are going for that?

I could go on, but the point is this, the accomplishments of great people of color do not erase the oppression we face and people who talk like we should be happy and enthused because some white people are willing to incrementally loosening the shackles we still wear is exactly what cost us as a party more votes in Detroit, Philly, Columbus, than the margin by which Trump won the states where those cities are located.

They aren't going to "get out of the way." They couldn't even if they wanted to.

They need to fix the problems they created. They need to talk about the water problems in Flint, about mass incarceration, about capital punishment, about jobs IN THE CITY and they need to do it OUT LOUD and during the general election.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #66)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:50 PM

79. "THEY'VE" played for the "Back door to Slavery" embedded in the 13th Amendment.

 

13th Amendment:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

THIS PART NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED... (except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted)

THIS IS precisely why the Prison system and the Justice System use Judicial Process based on black codes and Jim Crow scamming of the law to seek out any means to "incarcerate blacks". Prison's in America is Big Business for the system as well as for a great many, who profit from Prisoner Labor, and now "For Profit Prisons Facilities" run by corporations, and guess who own's those corporations ??????????

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As Democrats who stand on the platform for human rights and civil rights, and equality... Then the stand needs to start at 'RECTIFYING THE LANGUAGE OF THE 13TH Amendment TO REMOVE the phrase ((except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted) THEN, we can work to nullify the laws that were constructed to fulfill that means of enslaving people!!!! And then, we take the profit motive out of it... and The system then becomes one of Rehabilitation for those crimes that one can be rehabilitated from.... which means, education and no life long label as a felon holding people back and promoting recidivism.

President Obama understood this, but with his hands tied, he did push to get the "felon" box taken off of many employment applications, BUT... with background checks, people just get the info another way and still deny people suitable jobs to sustain themselves.

There's a reason a black man get's shot in his own back yard, while the Holmes guy comes out of a theater in Denver after having killed a mass of people, and received not one bullet, but 20 rounds were fired upon the man in his back yard, just this week.

American history of full of white male dominated system, who wrongly takes the disposition, they can "ration our rights and equality to blacks and women"... as if he is the controller of American Citizens.

People should really read the stat's on Crime from the FBI site... it is very different than the public promoted narrative.

People complain because I write long posting, but I talk about the "elephant" in the room, which many claim they know of, but pretend its not really there.

I did not come to this site, just as some "Rubber Stamper of Democrats- with one liner comments"... I come to address the reality and spirit of Truth, that as Democrats that MUST be address, supported and promoted... Not just for campaign slogans, or vote getting games, but to be "sincere backer" for Truth, Justice, Equality and the Freedoms and Opportunities As Americans.

I dealt with the Conservative Republican Backlash on City Data, and called them on their stuff, and most fade away when truth hits the script. Here, it seems people want to have too much "slap stick, as if everything is going to be all right, as a status quo, as long as we vote. Yes, the Vote is definitely important, but what we vote for in principles is of even greater importance, then it will be less trouble getting people to the polls, because they will understand exactly what they are voting for, which is the change that is needed.

The only thing gets that done is "STOP IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM" AND IGNORING THE PACK OF ELEPHANTS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE BUILDING !!!!! to do that.. means to have dialog and face the truths, then stand to promote truths.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #79)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:15 PM

101. Speak Speak

 

my friend. It needs to be said.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:05 PM

69. With all of the gains which have suggested equality, EQUITY persists

You nailed it... white people are considered the superior default who have forged the path for humanity.
The door has never been opened to equalize the starting point. Embracing economic support for all families, and especially those who start out with less wealth and other historical advantages AND affirmative action would serve to open doors. Pointing out that endorsing policies that forbid unequal treatment is a low bar and not nearly enough been done to earn the support of black people

I agree that politics prevent pursuit of policies that promote equity, and I also respect a point of view that political obstacles has been used as an excuse for too long.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:31 PM

103. Well said!**

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:29 PM

57. It is a RW mantra and it really means Black lives don't matter.

It is a hit piece and so is your reply in my opinion.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #57)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:16 PM

88. I have heard Democrats say that

and I have also heard "blue lives matter" and have seen politicians act on it. The desire for police union support is top priority for some Democratic party politicians in MO. Jeff Roorda was once a Democratic state representative. Jay Nixon imposed a curfew and sent the national guard to Ferguson.
Protestors were supposed to just be grateful they weren't killed rather than expect respect for their position that unarmed killings of black men was unacceptable. The Democratic 2016 gubernatorial candidate had been AG at that time and was endorsed by police unions.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #57)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:07 PM

99. I would explain what is going on here but I would get in tr ... ...

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:32 PM

59. A very good post.

You nailed it with this part.

They were so focused on economic opportunities (for white women) that the possibility that some women who would rather be home with their kids was not part of the agenda. Domestic workers were predominantly black women who did not see gains in autonomy because they were taking care of the children and homes of white women who were making advancements.


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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:16 PM

51. Bottom line is Black people are the base of the Democratic party

And for too long their concerns were convenient during election year to be ignored later. I, as a white Democrat, vow to help change this.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:19 PM

52. nearly 2 year old opinion piece based on little or no facts.....

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:26 PM

56. I see it was written pre-Trump

so the script has changed quite a bit since then...

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:30 PM

58. To put it bluntly..who else are they going to vote for?

It's a binary choice, they either vote Democratic and get something, maybe not much, or else Republicans win.

If they vote Republican, Republicans win.

If they vote Third Party, Republicans win.

If they stay home, Republicans win.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #58)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:37 PM

61. Is that the best question that can be asked when Democrats hear how the party is perceived by

some of its members?

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #61)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:39 PM

62. Of course not.

But it an underlying question that will be there no matter what.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #62)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:43 PM

64. And as long as white people are thinking it, change will not happen.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #64)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:02 PM

67. Was Barack Obama white? NO. What Party stalled every good thing he tried to do to lift people of

 

all races, genders & walks of life socially or economicaly.
It was not tbe Democratic Party under Obama nor any other Democrat that jammed that door shut.

Republicans have done everything possible to stop the forward push for equality & human rights.

Because of the ever allowed the Blacks & minorities & women full freedom equal to white males, there would be no Racist RW.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:14 PM

72. "Republicans have done everything possible to stop the forward push for equality & human rights."

Which is awfully convenient for good white liberals who aren't interested in examining their own biases or how they've benefited from their own privilege, who love to see the diversity of a 75/25 white/POC assembly but feel like something's off if the ratio gets any darker, who congratulate themselves at who's at the table but don't ask themselves who's missing and why, and so on.

Because of the ever allowed the Blacks & minorities & women full freedom equal to white males, there would be no Racist RW.


To achieve equality, if not equity, the left wing has to examine its own racism and biases, as well. I don't know why people resist that, or try to put it off until after the next election, which again, is always pretty convenient.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #72)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:26 PM

74. Wow. Sorry but this attack on the Dem Party is a whole lot of bs.

 

You really want to make a case of the Dem Party being racist. Who do you suggedt they align with ?
If not the Dems then who?

The Democratic Party is a Party inclusive of all .
Your defense of this biased article makes me wonder what your own agenda is because it is far off base from what the Democratic Party has always stood for

Bye.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #74)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:34 PM

76. What do you gain by insisting that white racism and privilege, *upon which this nation is built,*

doesn't affect the Democratic Party?

What do you lose?

What do you gain by entertaining the possibility? What do you lose?

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #76)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:36 PM

77. You didn't answer my question.

 

Figures.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #77)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:38 PM

78. Oh, because I think it's a shitty question.

When marginalized people ask you to do better, and you ask them where else they're going to go to get it better than you give it, that's a shitty, abusive move.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #74)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 08:53 PM

106. Don't Be Sorry

The attack on DEms is what's sorry

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #72)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 09:21 PM

109. This is offensive.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:55 PM

65. Bullshit hit piece and end with a racist tag...

All Lives Matter is a RW Racist response to BLM. Normally seen as a bumper sticker next to the MAGA one.

Totall lacking in historical perspective.

‘If only those blacks had stayed with the Republicans when the went from the party of Goldwater to the party of George Wallace.’

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #65)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:14 PM

73. Blacks switched from the GOP to the Democratic party in 1936 and voted 93% for Wallace in his last

 

campaign for governor.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:07 PM

71. Looks like the progressive "puritans" are bring out the anti-Dem

artillery early this year.

The internal polling must be awful for the GOP.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #71)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 04:30 PM

75. Flat out calling the Democratic Party white liberal racists

 

This is straight out of RW propaganda.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:13 PM

85. People who throw shit have shitty hands. n/t

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Response to Post removed (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:16 PM

89. To quote "When Harry Met Sally", who is the dog here?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:16 PM

90. People who hit dogs generally suck.

This article is divisive and untrue...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #90)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:19 PM

102. Yet still prominently posted on Democratic Underground....wow

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #75)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 07:09 PM

100. It is and you can find these EXACT comments elsewhere, not just here.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:13 PM

84. What did this accomplish. A hit job on Democrats and you say "it's all good".

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:15 PM

86. LET'S GET TO THE TRUTH

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:37 PM

91. Well, that's it. I'm totally not going to vote for Hillary this November.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #91)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 06:26 AM

117. Lol. And I'm leaving the Democratic Racist Party for good!

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #117)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:07 AM

118. Whoops. Just realized--I'm one of the Dem segregationists.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 06:59 PM

94. Wow, locked out of your own thread.

Who would have thunk it?

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #94)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 09:17 PM

107. All ya can do is peer in the window from the outside.

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2018, 08:35 PM

105. I come here to vent about fcking Bolton on this Democratic site

And I find this, yet another ridiculous hit piece on Democrats.?

On Democratic Underground.

A poor choice, in my opinion.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:12 AM

119. i guess with the Doug Jones , Conor Lamb and other wins something needs to be done

to put a stop to it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:18 AM

120. This article is two years old

 

Curious to know what inspired you to post it now.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2018, 11:47 AM

122. The biggest issue for African Americans outside

of having to deal with White privilege is lack of access to capital (to go to school, or to start and sustain a business). The problem of access to capital is compounded by income inequality, where those with money dominate the playing field and squeeze out new or small players that are not well funded.

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