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Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:15 AM

 

David Hogg (Parland Student) stating that clear backpacks infringes on his rights.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28609/watch-parkland-student-complains-clear-backbacks-ryan-saavedra

The right is having a field day with this, along with the famous quote "Those that would trade Liberty for a little added security deserve neither and will lose both."

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Reply David Hogg (Parland Student) stating that clear backpacks infringes on his rights. (Original post)
Motownman78 Mar 2018 OP
underpants Mar 2018 #1
elehhhhna Mar 2018 #41
underpants Mar 2018 #45
dsc Mar 2018 #2
MichMary Mar 2018 #3
sarisataka Mar 2018 #14
NCTraveler Mar 2018 #28
Oneironaut Mar 2018 #4
MichMary Mar 2018 #15
Motownman78 Mar 2018 #25
cos dem Mar 2018 #30
Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #5
Motownman78 Mar 2018 #26
poboy2 Mar 2018 #6
sarah FAILIN Mar 2018 #7
poboy2 Mar 2018 #8
sarah FAILIN Mar 2018 #13
oberliner Mar 2018 #21
Motownman78 Mar 2018 #27
sarah FAILIN Mar 2018 #33
Post removed Mar 2018 #35
dsc Mar 2018 #9
sarah FAILIN Mar 2018 #11
mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #10
sarah FAILIN Mar 2018 #12
Motownman78 Mar 2018 #29
deurbano Mar 2018 #39
Generic Brad Mar 2018 #16
elehhhhna Mar 2018 #42
Generic Brad Mar 2018 #43
robbob Mar 2018 #17
NCTraveler Mar 2018 #18
pintobean Mar 2018 #22
NCTraveler Mar 2018 #24
Post removed Mar 2018 #19
pintobean Mar 2018 #23
Post removed Mar 2018 #34
Hortensis Mar 2018 #20
Post removed Mar 2018 #32
Hortensis Mar 2018 #36
Tatiana Mar 2018 #31
Post removed Mar 2018 #37
onethatcares Mar 2018 #38
Kingofalldems Mar 2018 #40
sarah FAILIN Mar 2018 #44
Kingofalldems Mar 2018 #46
Henry Krinkle Mar 2018 #47
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #48

Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:27 AM

1. Theyve been attacking him for a while

How dare he speak up.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:37 PM

41. They make clear Kevlar backpacks now? That question has shut down a few idiots know my social media.

 

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 03:37 PM

45. Yeah I heard that one on the radio

Even the local talk radio host was dismissive of that

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:53 AM

2. The fact is schools have regulations that no one else would put up with

due to our country's love of guns. My school bans book bags outright unless they are mesh or otherwise see through. This was pre parkland (it was a response to Columbine) but it has recently been enforced more vigorously.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:59 AM

3. You've got to admit . . .

It is kind of ironic.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:55 AM

14. I think most people

Totally missed the irony

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Response to MichMary (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:50 PM

28. In order for it to be ironic...

 

Background checks, waiting periods, modification restrictions, etc. would all have to be a constitutional issue. For the most part, they are not. Restrictions like those are for the most part settled law.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:59 AM

4. Thats truly one of the dumbest policies ever.

Heaven forbid we make it about the guns.

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Response to Oneironaut (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:04 PM

15. It's probably one of the few changes

that could actually prevent school shootings.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:46 PM

25. But a wrapped up sweater

 

in a clear backpack looks the same with or without a handgun hidden inside the wrapped up sweater.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:51 PM

30. Right, because most shooters disguise their AR-15s and massive ammo caches in their backpacks?

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:01 AM

5. I expect clear backpacks to be used for all commuter rail, bus stations, etc

going forward. Because I want to ensure that I'm safe on mass transit as well.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:46 PM

26. Read my response #25 n/t

 

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:02 AM

6. Never use that card willy-nilly. He seems silly, but he's young so a pass. Should

 

argue it doesn't solve anything if he likes, but refrain from the 'infringes on rights'. Its nonsense and only makes him look silly.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:11 AM

7. I hate the clear backpacks, BUT..

It has been this way since Columbine. You cant even carry anything into college ballgames like a big purse.. only clear pouches. To complain now seems a bit spoiled to me

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:13 AM

8. yep. Its quite common. Wrong vector of attack. Silly. -nt

 

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Response to poboy2 (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:50 AM

13. Common in some areas

Some seem to think it's the end of the world, but it is for their safety and they will get over it.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:33 PM

21. Like taking off our shoes and belts before getting on airplanes

 

Or putting toiletries into separate clear bags - which I think they stopped requiring that for some reason.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:49 PM

27. Read response # 25

 

And you will see how any attempt to try to secure 100% security is pathetic. Truth of the matter is that unless we want to live in a bubble around each of us, we will never be truly assured of a long life.

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Response to Motownman78 (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:56 PM

33. There is always a way to do bad things.

At least clear backpacks help cut down the opportunity. Sweaters and such can always be searched.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:17 AM

9. Are you required to go to college ballgames?

He is required to go to school. It is amazing the extent to which we think kids should have to give up rights so we can avoid dealing with our issues.

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Response to dsc (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:43 AM

11. Kids in school have very limited "rights"

The schools make the rules if you plan on going to public school. What to wear, hair length, piercings or hair color is all determined by school rules. Our kids were also not allowed to bring drinks from home because some spoiled kids decided to start day drinking at school and filled their water bottles with vodka. If you don't like the rules you can always choose the home school option which is an option in every county.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:27 AM

10. Is he legit 'complaining' ... or trying to illustrate the point that he gives up 'rights' for safety

purposes every day he goes to school, therefore, gun-nutters should stop complaining and reciprocate by allowing more regulations on their 'rights' afa firearms? Like, how about some give and take here?

I think knowing the entire context would be useful in this case ...
This is the DU member formerly known as mr_lebowski.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:48 AM

12. It's a new policy for them

Another article someplace said school is like prison now so I take it as complaining. He is a kid. Mine were always complainers when new rules came down too. They grew out of it when they found bigger issues.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:50 PM

29. Watch the video. He is complaining

 

that his 1st Amendment rights are being violated.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:15 PM

39. I take it the way you take it... that he's illustrating a point using their words.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:10 PM

16. Then conceal and carry fans need to wear cellophane pants

Turnabout is fair play.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:39 PM

42. Thank you

 

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:49 PM

43. That way you would know what everyone's packing

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:14 PM

17. Seems to me a determined shooter

could put the guns in plastic shopping bags then put those bags into the clear/mesh backpack. Are they going to outlaw plastic bags as well?

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:15 PM

18. Ban guns. This is a distraction.

 

As the op said, “the right is”. No one person or couple of phrases will distract this movement. Hogg is a leader and they know it. He currently has more power than all of those criticizing him from their mothers basement.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:34 PM

22. No, he doesn't.

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:37 PM

24. Seems he has a larger voice than any of them right now.

 

He is a major part of this.

Great find by GrabbieNews! Lol There’s a powerhouse.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:37 PM

23. Not to mention him saying that we can't handle a democracy

 

only the students can.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:22 PM

20. I agree with him, and whatever idiots may be

promoting clear backpacks are overreacting.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:05 PM

36. Nuts to that! This isn't a Democrat thing. Idiocy

transcends all political orientations, true, as 20 minutes browsing any political forum proves.

But this particular eagerness to deny and violate the students' right to privacy smells of conservative idiocy in particular, as does using overreaction to fear to justify oppression. Although nonthinkers of all types often sign on foolishly to bad ideas, these are both big conservative signatures.

Btw, you are badly confused about the difference between oppressive authoritarian government and the progressive government safety net that serves the people -- what conservatives call the "nanny state;" and yes we do still have some conservatives in the Democratic Party, but I'm surprised that someone here would be not just using that term but not even understanding what it means.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:52 PM

31. He has a point.

At what point is enough enough? TSA is STILL a farce and security theater. I only fly when I have to travel internationally. I don't complain about the additional time, it feels like an invasion of my privacy to be "felt up" just to travel.

And it's this type of erosion of our freedoms that Mr. Hogg is pointing out. Today it's clear backpacks. Tomorrow what will it be? Do females not have the privacy to shield personal products they bring to school? What about medications?

I get the need for security. But there has a to be a balance and we should always question whether eroding our commonly accepted freedoms is truly necessary.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:11 PM

38. "A well regulated militia"

being necessary to a free state........"

Which well regulated militia did the Parkland shooter belong to? The Las Vegas shooter? Any of the mass murderers?

Let's look at who's rights are being infringed upon.

We could of course look to the Fourth Amendment for some clarification. Personally, I'll back Mr. Hogg.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:17 PM

40. Interesting thread I must say.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 02:43 PM

44. I missed it

Seems like there are a lot of holes in the thread now, lol.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #44)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 06:04 PM

46. I'll say.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 07:15 PM

47. Violates students "1'st amendment rights"?

 



I hope this kid doesn't plan on going to law school. As stupid as the policy is, he's barking up the wrong
tree, grasping at straws, etc.

Perhaps a better argument might be to state the policy violates their right to privacy under the Due Process Clause
of the 14th Amendment, but good luck with that one too, especially where schools are concerned.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 07:21 PM

48. The DAILYWIRE

Really ?

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