Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:15 AM

David Hogg (Parland Student) stating that clear backpacks infringes on his rights.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28609/watch-parkland-student-complains-clear-backbacks-ryan-saavedra

The right is having a field day with this, along with the famous quote "Those that would trade Liberty for a little added security deserve neither and will lose both."

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David Hogg (Parland Student) stating that clear backpacks infringes on his rights. (Original post)	Motownman78	Mar 2018	OP
Theyve been attacking him for a while	underpants	Mar 2018	#1
They make clear Kevlar backpacks now? That question has shut down a few idiots know my social media.	elehhhhna	Mar 2018	#41
Yeah I heard that one on the radio	underpants	Mar 2018	#45
The fact is schools have regulations that no one else would put up with	dsc	Mar 2018	#2
You've got to admit . . .	MichMary	Mar 2018	#3
I think most people	sarisataka	Mar 2018	#14
In order for it to be ironic...	NCTraveler	Mar 2018	#28
Thats truly one of the dumbest policies ever.	Oneironaut	Mar 2018	#4
It's probably one of the few changes	MichMary	Mar 2018	#15
But a wrapped up sweater	Motownman78	Mar 2018	#25
Right, because most shooters disguise their AR-15s and massive ammo caches in their backpacks?	cos dem	Mar 2018	#30
I expect clear backpacks to be used for all commuter rail, bus stations, etc	Blue_Adept	Mar 2018	#5
Read my response #25 n/t	Motownman78	Mar 2018	#26
Never use that card willy-nilly. He seems silly, but he's young so a pass. Should	poboy2	Mar 2018	#6
I hate the clear backpacks, BUT..	sarah FAILIN	Mar 2018	#7
yep. Its quite common. Wrong vector of attack. Silly. -nt	poboy2	Mar 2018	#8
Common in some areas	sarah FAILIN	Mar 2018	#13
Like taking off our shoes and belts before getting on airplanes	oberliner	Mar 2018	#21
Read response # 25	Motownman78	Mar 2018	#27
There is always a way to do bad things.	sarah FAILIN	Mar 2018	#33
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Are you required to go to college ballgames?	dsc	Mar 2018	#9
Kids in school have very limited "rights"	sarah FAILIN	Mar 2018	#11
Is he legit 'complaining' ... or trying to illustrate the point that he gives up 'rights' for safety	mr_lebowski	Mar 2018	#10
It's a new policy for them	sarah FAILIN	Mar 2018	#12
Watch the video. He is complaining	Motownman78	Mar 2018	#29
I take it the way you take it... that he's illustrating a point using their words.	deurbano	Mar 2018	#39
Then conceal and carry fans need to wear cellophane pants	Generic Brad	Mar 2018	#16
Thank you	elehhhhna	Mar 2018	#42
That way you would know what everyone's packing	Generic Brad	Mar 2018	#43
Seems to me a determined shooter	robbob	Mar 2018	#17
Ban guns. This is a distraction.	NCTraveler	Mar 2018	#18
No, he doesn't.	pintobean	Mar 2018	#22
Seems he has a larger voice than any of them right now.	NCTraveler	Mar 2018	#24
Post removed	Post removed	Mar 2018	#19
Not to mention him saying that we can't handle a democracy	pintobean	Mar 2018	#23
Post removed	Post removed	Mar 2018	#34
I agree with him, and whatever idiots may be	Hortensis	Mar 2018	#20
Post removed	Post removed	Mar 2018	#32
Nuts to that! This isn't a Democrat thing. Idiocy	Hortensis	Mar 2018	#36
He has a point.	Tatiana	Mar 2018	#31
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"A well regulated militia"	onethatcares	Mar 2018	#38
Interesting thread I must say.	Kingofalldems	Mar 2018	#40
I missed it	sarah FAILIN	Mar 2018	#44
I'll say.	Kingofalldems	Mar 2018	#46
Violates students "1'st amendment rights"?	Henry Krinkle	Mar 2018	#47
The DAILYWIRE	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2018	#48

Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:27 AM

underpants (160,539 posts)

1. Theyve been attacking him for a while

How dare he speak up.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:37 PM

elehhhhna (32,076 posts)

41. They make clear Kevlar backpacks now? That question has shut down a few idiots know my social media.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 03:37 PM

underpants (160,539 posts)

45. Yeah I heard that one on the radio

Even the local talk radio host was dismissive of that

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:53 AM

dsc (49,515 posts)

2. The fact is schools have regulations that no one else would put up with

due to our country's love of guns. My school bans book bags outright unless they are mesh or otherwise see through. This was pre parkland (it was a response to Columbine) but it has recently been enforced more vigorously.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:59 AM

MichMary (1,714 posts)

3. You've got to admit . . .

It is kind of ironic.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:55 AM

sarisataka (11,743 posts)

14. I think most people

Totally missed the irony

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Response to MichMary (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:50 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

28. In order for it to be ironic...

Background checks, waiting periods, modification restrictions, etc. would all have to be a constitutional issue. For the most part, they are not. Restrictions like those are for the most part settled law.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:59 AM

Oneironaut (3,831 posts)

4. Thats truly one of the dumbest policies ever.

Heaven forbid we make it about the guns.

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Response to Oneironaut (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:04 PM

MichMary (1,714 posts)

15. It's probably one of the few changes

that could actually prevent school shootings.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:46 PM

Motownman78 (491 posts)

25. But a wrapped up sweater

in a clear backpack looks the same with or without a handgun hidden inside the wrapped up sweater.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:51 PM

cos dem (635 posts)

30. Right, because most shooters disguise their AR-15s and massive ammo caches in their backpacks?

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:01 AM

Blue_Adept (6,146 posts)

5. I expect clear backpacks to be used for all commuter rail, bus stations, etc

going forward. Because I want to ensure that I'm safe on mass transit as well.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:46 PM

Motownman78 (491 posts)

26. Read my response #25 n/t

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:02 AM

poboy2 (2,078 posts)

6. Never use that card willy-nilly. He seems silly, but he's young so a pass. Should

argue it doesn't solve anything if he likes, but refrain from the 'infringes on rights'. Its nonsense and only makes him look silly.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:11 AM

sarah FAILIN (2,857 posts)

7. I hate the clear backpacks, BUT..

It has been this way since Columbine. You cant even carry anything into college ballgames like a big purse.. only clear pouches. To complain now seems a bit spoiled to me

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:13 AM

poboy2 (2,078 posts)

8. yep. Its quite common. Wrong vector of attack. Silly. -nt

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Response to poboy2 (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:50 AM

sarah FAILIN (2,857 posts)

13. Common in some areas

Some seem to think it's the end of the world, but it is for their safety and they will get over it.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:33 PM

oberliner (58,724 posts)

21. Like taking off our shoes and belts before getting on airplanes

Or putting toiletries into separate clear bags - which I think they stopped requiring that for some reason.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:49 PM

Motownman78 (491 posts)

27. Read response # 25

And you will see how any attempt to try to secure 100% security is pathetic. Truth of the matter is that unless we want to live in a bubble around each of us, we will never be truly assured of a long life.

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Response to Motownman78 (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:56 PM

sarah FAILIN (2,857 posts)

33. There is always a way to do bad things.

At least clear backpacks help cut down the opportunity. Sweaters and such can always be searched.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:17 AM

dsc (49,515 posts)

9. Are you required to go to college ballgames?

He is required to go to school. It is amazing the extent to which we think kids should have to give up rights so we can avoid dealing with our issues.

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Response to dsc (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:43 AM

sarah FAILIN (2,857 posts)

11. Kids in school have very limited "rights"

The schools make the rules if you plan on going to public school. What to wear, hair length, piercings or hair color is all determined by school rules. Our kids were also not allowed to bring drinks from home because some spoiled kids decided to start day drinking at school and filled their water bottles with vodka. If you don't like the rules you can always choose the home school option which is an option in every county.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:27 AM

mr_lebowski (19,614 posts)

10. Is he legit 'complaining' ... or trying to illustrate the point that he gives up 'rights' for safety

purposes every day he goes to school, therefore, gun-nutters should stop complaining and reciprocate by allowing more regulations on their 'rights' afa firearms? Like, how about some give and take here?

I think knowing the entire context would be useful in this case ...

This is the DU member formerly known as mr_lebowski.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:48 AM

sarah FAILIN (2,857 posts)

12. It's a new policy for them

Another article someplace said school is like prison now so I take it as complaining. He is a kid. Mine were always complainers when new rules came down too. They grew out of it when they found bigger issues.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:50 PM

Motownman78 (491 posts)

29. Watch the video. He is complaining

that his 1st Amendment rights are being violated.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:15 PM

deurbano (2,456 posts)

39. I take it the way you take it... that he's illustrating a point using their words.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:10 PM

Generic Brad (13,053 posts)

16. Then conceal and carry fans need to wear cellophane pants

Turnabout is fair play.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:39 PM

elehhhhna (32,076 posts)

42. Thank you

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:49 PM

Generic Brad (13,053 posts)

43. That way you would know what everyone's packing

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:14 PM

robbob (2,815 posts)

17. Seems to me a determined shooter

could put the guns in plastic shopping bags then put those bags into the clear/mesh backpack. Are they going to outlaw plastic bags as well?

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:15 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

18. Ban guns. This is a distraction.

As the op said, “the right is”. No one person or couple of phrases will distract this movement. Hogg is a leader and they know it. He currently has more power than all of those criticizing him from their mothers basement.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:34 PM

pintobean (18,101 posts)

22. No, he doesn't.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:37 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

24. Seems he has a larger voice than any of them right now.

He is a major part of this.

Great find by GrabbieNews! Lol There’s a powerhouse.

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Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:37 PM

pintobean (18,101 posts)

23. Not to mention him saying that we can't handle a democracy

only the students can.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:22 PM

Hortensis (43,974 posts)

20. I agree with him, and whatever idiots may be

promoting clear backpacks are overreacting.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:05 PM

Hortensis (43,974 posts)

36. Nuts to that! This isn't a Democrat thing. Idiocy

transcends all political orientations, true, as 20 minutes browsing any political forum proves.

But this particular eagerness to deny and violate the students' right to privacy smells of conservative idiocy in particular, as does using overreaction to fear to justify oppression. Although nonthinkers of all types often sign on foolishly to bad ideas, these are both big conservative signatures.

Btw, you are badly confused about the difference between oppressive authoritarian government and the progressive government safety net that serves the people -- what conservatives call the "nanny state;" and yes we do still have some conservatives in the Democratic Party, but I'm surprised that someone here would be not just using that term but not even understanding what it means.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:52 PM

Tatiana (14,167 posts)

31. He has a point.

At what point is enough enough? TSA is STILL a farce and security theater. I only fly when I have to travel internationally. I don't complain about the additional time, it feels like an invasion of my privacy to be "felt up" just to travel.

And it's this type of erosion of our freedoms that Mr. Hogg is pointing out. Today it's clear backpacks. Tomorrow what will it be? Do females not have the privacy to shield personal products they bring to school? What about medications?

I get the need for security. But there has a to be a balance and we should always question whether eroding our commonly accepted freedoms is truly necessary.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:11 PM

onethatcares (13,259 posts)

38. "A well regulated militia"

being necessary to a free state........"

Which well regulated militia did the Parkland shooter belong to? The Las Vegas shooter? Any of the mass murderers?

Let's look at who's rights are being infringed upon.

We could of course look to the Fourth Amendment for some clarification. Personally, I'll back Mr. Hogg.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:17 PM

Kingofalldems (33,450 posts)

40. Interesting thread I must say.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 02:43 PM

sarah FAILIN (2,857 posts)

44. I missed it

Seems like there are a lot of holes in the thread now, lol.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #44)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 06:04 PM

Kingofalldems (33,450 posts)

46. I'll say.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 07:15 PM

Henry Krinkle (208 posts)

47. Violates students "1'st amendment rights"?

I hope this kid doesn't plan on going to law school. As stupid as the policy is, he's barking up the wrong
tree, grasping at straws, etc.

Perhaps a better argument might be to state the policy violates their right to privacy under the Due Process Clause
of the 14th Amendment, but good luck with that one too, especially where schools are concerned.

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Response to Motownman78 (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 07:21 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (96,388 posts)

48. The DAILYWIRE

Really ?

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