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Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:33 AM

UK nerve agent attack must have been used by the world's most incompetent spy

Am I the only one who thinks it is strange how we are supposed to believe that a professional assassin working for Vladimir Putin used a nerve agent that would immediately be traced straight back to one man in particular, called Vladimir Putin?

Of all the ways to kill, silence or shoot somebody, or to arrange an accident or a fake suicide, the bumbling secret agent working for Putin chose the one method that meant all roads lead to Putin. Is that really what we are supposed to believe?



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Reply UK nerve agent attack must have been used by the world's most incompetent spy (Original post)
Doodley Mar 2018 OP
ck4829 Mar 2018 #1
peggysue2 Mar 2018 #20
Doodley Mar 2018 #23
peggysue2 Mar 2018 #26
Doodley Mar 2018 #36
atreides1 Mar 2018 #31
Doodley Mar 2018 #35
mythology Mar 2018 #44
Doodley Mar 2018 #38
Doodley Mar 2018 #25
tazkcmo Mar 2018 #28
Doodley Mar 2018 #42
njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #2
unblock Mar 2018 #5
Doodley Mar 2018 #11
ret5hd Mar 2018 #3
blake2012 Mar 2018 #9
lapfog_1 Mar 2018 #4
Doodley Mar 2018 #7
EX500rider Mar 2018 #6
Doodley Mar 2018 #24
EX500rider Mar 2018 #27
Doodley Mar 2018 #37
blake2012 Mar 2018 #8
Doodley Mar 2018 #12
blake2012 Mar 2018 #14
Doodley Mar 2018 #16
blake2012 Mar 2018 #17
Doodley Mar 2018 #19
FarCenter Mar 2018 #10
Doodley Mar 2018 #13
DetlefK Mar 2018 #15
Doodley Mar 2018 #18
LanternWaste Mar 2018 #21
Doodley Mar 2018 #22
MicaelS Mar 2018 #32
Doodley Mar 2018 #39
tonyt53 Mar 2018 #29
FreepFryer Mar 2018 #30
MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #33
Doodley Mar 2018 #41
MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #45
LisaL Mar 2018 #34
Doodley Mar 2018 #40
EX500rider Mar 2018 #43
LisaL Mar 2018 #46
EX500rider Mar 2018 #47
Adrahil Mar 2018 #48

Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:41 AM

1. Putin is a murderer and his FSB is a terrorist organization

Nobody stopped them when they blew up Ryazan, one of their own cities, back in 1999.

Nobody stopped them when they killed more people than Chechens.

Nobody stopped them when they poisoned Alexander Litvinenko.

Nobody stopped them when they tortured Sergei Magnitsky to death.

Nobody stopped them when all those journalists just happened to catch stray bullets by the dozen.

Nobody stopped them when they blew up that civilian airplane flying over Ukraine.

They got sloppy. Serial killers get too confident, kind of like when the BTK killer sent a taunt to police but he forgot to delete his name from the Word document file information section. This is Putinís BTK moment.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 01:51 PM

20. An Act of an Arrogant Spy

Putin would fit into that bracket. The footprint was a warning to Russian defectors and Allies alike: we can do anything we want--poison our enemies, turn elections and referendums, create chaos and fear.

Until we put a firm brake on Russia's excesses, they will continue. The Trumpster is being dragged, kicking and screaming in that direction, signing off on sanctions, expelling diplomats, placing the blame where it belongs, etc. because he's compromised and has an obvious man-crush on tyrants, particularly Putin.

The nerve gas was a clear warning. We should accept it as such and act accordingly. Putin is not a friend nor admirer of Western democracies.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:41 PM

23. Why should we accept it? Where is the evidence. Colin Powell holding a vial of liquid

arguing to the world that Iraq has anthrax - did we believe that? How many times do we have to be fooled before we become skeptical of what we are told. Putin may not be a nice guy, but do not doubt that there are dark forces on our side too.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:52 PM

26. Putin is a thug

Who needs no apologists or defenders. He's murdered before both inside and outside his own country.

Sorry, whataboutism just doesn't cut it.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:14 PM

36. I am actually looking for evidence. He's a bad guy, therefore he did it, isn't evidence.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 04:07 PM

31. Actually

Powell was holding a vial of powder, not liquid!

From what I've read, you seem to have some personal animosity against the UK and its government...that hardly makes you unbiased!

And Putin isn't Colin Powell...one key difference is that Putin is a man who will kill without regard or regret...he was KGB before he was FSB!

As for me personally, I grew up in a time when the Russians were considered an enemy, they were the enemy when I served in the US Army, and nothing that Russia has done has changed my mind about them being an enemy, still!

So you'll pardon me if I still consider Russia to the enemy of the United States!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:11 PM

35. Don't attack the person behind a post, attack the content, okay.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:50 PM

44. There's no substance to your post

 

It's nonsense and is rightfully dismissed as such. You might as well claim Martians did it.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:24 PM

38. You can choose to believe the right-wing British government. I'm actually on the left.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:47 PM

25. You don't think the West kill people too?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:56 PM

28. I've heard this arguement some where before...

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:37 PM

42. I knew that one day I would find something that I agreed with Trump on, but this isn't it. I do

not make excuses for Russia, like Trump. I condemn Putin, but I am just saying that the UK government has not produced proof and cannot be trusted. This has been very convenient for Theresa May, and Britain is a nation that despises Donald Trump. This does not work well for Trump who is obviously beholden to Putin for whatever reason.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:42 AM

2. Because Putin planned it that way. Nobody leaves a trail on purpose unless they want

you to follow it. Hello I'm Vald, I can kill you and I have America's President by the balls, have
a nice day.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:46 AM

5. Exactly. The point of using nerve agent is to let others know you're capable of this.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 12:16 PM

11. Good answer. Yes, I see that.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:43 AM

3. You're so transparent I can read my cellphone bill thru you.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:58 AM

9. Lol

 

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:44 AM

4. no, it was intentional

it was a not so subtle signal to all of those who might be under pressure to tell what they know about Russian operations to clam up or they ( and their children ) would suffer the same fate.

If I had to speculate this was all for the benefit of one Paul Manafort. He has two daughters and is facing "life" in prison if he doesn't cooperate... Putin wanted him to know what he faces if he DOES cooperate.

Putin WANTED everyone to know it was him.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:53 AM

7. Good answer. Yes, I see that.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:51 AM

6. Not much stupider then the FSB using polonium to kill Alexander Litvinenko

Which was also traced right back to Russia.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:44 PM

24. How about the death of Dr. David Kelly?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:53 PM

27. What about it?

Cause of death: Presumed suicide: haemorrhage from incised wounds of the left wrist, in combination with coproxamol ingestion and coronary artery atherosclerosis

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:23 PM

37. That is the official version of events, but there are a lot of unanswered questions.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:57 AM

8. Actually, read more on the subject. It is perfect plausible deniability for Putin

 

Even if the preponderance of Western nations have reason to believe this type of chem weapon originated from sophisticated Russian lab, there is still not even proof Russia has other formulated these types of nerve agents.

Nonetheless, I do tend to believe the British and others have other information about the culprit (s) and/or their accomplices to pin this in Russia.

It could very well be that the additional evidence they have pointing to Russia would reveal sensitive sources and methods were they to become public.

In other words, expect our corrupt, compromised, and bumbling sex addicted prez to reveal them to the the Russians soon.

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Response to blake2012 (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 12:20 PM

12. Why can the UK government be trusted? They have a history of producing fake

intelligence - the dodgy Iraq dossier, for example, that was largely lifted from a student thesis. The "sexed-up" official Iraq WMD dossier that was edited by Tony Blair's spin doctor. Theresa May, who has been fighting for her political survival, is doing very well out of this.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 12:24 PM

14. Thy arent exactly using this to build a case for war

 

Who says the other nations are trusting Britain? I am sure British intelligence shared their classified information with other nations who have signed on.

Remember, this is a VERY large group of nations who have signed on to expelling diplomats. From Albania to Norway. From Canada to Spain.

Iíd say the case is pretty rock solid for that level of unanimity.

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Response to blake2012 (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 01:21 PM

16. Since when has popularity equated to accuracy of information? There was a huge coalition

of nations who participated in the war on Iraq because of the non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 01:29 PM

17. You do realize that coalition was papier-mch

 

And was largely just the US and Britain.

Popularity? Nations arenít going to put themselves on the line against Russia because its popular.

As reported, Komrade Trump was loathe to participate and had to be forced to only after it was clear this was not something he could avoid.

Wondering why you are so strongly taking Russiaís red herring that maybe they were framed.

Considering all other recent world events, even circumstantial evidence points strongly to Russia.

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Response to blake2012 (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 01:36 PM

19. I had not heard Russia's claim they were framed. I despise Putin as I despised Saddam Hussein.

That doesn't mean I trust the word of the British government. I lived in the UK most my life. I know the UK government machine cannot be trusted.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 12:08 PM

10. It was only a few miles from Porton Down

 

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 12:22 PM

13. Yes, that is quite a coincidence, or is it?

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 12:33 PM

15. What exactly are the downsides for a russian assassin using a russian nerve-gas????

The diplomatic relations were frosty to begin with.

Russia will denounce any accusation as fake news and hysteria.

A russian assassin has successfully deployed a military-grade weapon of mass-destruction on NATO-soil and Russia has walked away scot-free.



Russia can afford to use incompetent spies who leave traces leading back to Russia. Because Russia will never face serious consequences.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 01:31 PM

18. You don't think that there are serious consequences? Losing its spies and diplomats who are

based in western democracies is pretty serious.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 02:10 PM

21. No doubt, we'd love to hear your belief of what transpired.

No doubt, we'd love to hear your angle of what transpired, regardless of whether we're supposed to believe it or not.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 27, 2018, 02:14 PM

22. I am opened minded. I'm not ruling anything in or out at this stage.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 04:18 PM

32. Utter and complete bullshit.

Why can the UK government be trusted?


You have just as much implied this was action by the UK secret services. Go peddle your conspiracy shit somewhere else.

Let me put it very simply for you.

The USSR was an enemy of the US and Western Europe. Russia under Putin is enemy of the US and Western Europe. Under both regimes their active measure programs were successful.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:27 PM

39. Where's the evidence? People said that Britain and UK fabricating a case for war on Iraq was

"conspiracy shit." We now know differently. Russia is a bad guy and therefore did this is about as good as saying Saddam is bad, so he must have WMD.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:57 PM

29. Putin wanted people to know that nobody was safe from him. That means anybody.

 

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:58 PM

30. Not incompetent... emboldened. (n/t)

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 05:02 PM

33. This was sent as a message

Putin doesn't give a flying fuck if it is traced back to him.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:31 PM

41. He's had a hundred diplomats and possible spies sent back to Russia. Tell me again he doesn't care.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:54 PM

45. Ok. He doesn't care

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 05:03 PM

34. I haven't seen any actual proof that Russia is behind the attack.

Except the possible motive, which is presumably revenge and to send a message? But obviously other motives are possible, that we might not be aware of. And like already has been pointed out, there is a UK military research facility very close to where it happened.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:29 PM

40. Thank you Lisa for stating what is a balanced opinion. It certainly is strange that Porton Down is

only eight miles from this "Russian attack."

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 06:42 PM

43. Who would be the most likely suspect?

Colonel Skripal is a retired Russian military intelligence officer who was convicted of passing the identities of Russian intelligence agents working undercover in Europe to the UK's Secret Intelligence Service, MI6.

So he defects to the UK from Russia but you think the UK wants him dead but not Russia? lol

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 07:30 PM

46. Russia had him arrested, charged and convicted years ago.

Then they released him in exchange for their spies. Why would be the reason for them to want him dead at this time?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 08:06 PM

47. To send a message that selling Russian secrets gets you dead.

Why would anyone else want him dead?

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 08:55 PM

48. Its a poke in the eye

 

Itís an act of machismo. He wants eveyone to knoe and dares people to do something about it. Like the el ction meddling...

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