This is what greeted a peaceful march heading toward Disneyland July 29th; Added video

[Fire Walk With Me]

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Livestream archived video. Click the link, set the timer to 54:00

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24342030



Timcast had his ID checked three times for being in a public place:



Do you wonder why I get uptight about things like drones, the NDAA, and increasingly militarized police?


Elle of Oakland ‏@OaklandElle:

"Not National Guard. I checked their patches myself."

But...do police rest in this manner?




This will explain more:

Links to the story/backstory and livestreams.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021041414

Even more pics from today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021044354


FDL: The videos Anaheim PD doesn't want us to see:

http://firedoglake.com/2012/07/29/the-videos-anaheim-pd-doesnt-want-us-to-see/


Alan Spencer ‏@MrAlanSpencer

Police in riot gear are surrounding Disneyland this morning. They got there early to beat the crowds. #Anaheim

Retweeted by Anonymous Pirates

[peacebird]

1. What was going on?! What was the march and who was in it

[msanthrope]

2. Is it too much to ask for facts before outrage? nt

[sabrina 1]

23. The second photo explains what is going on. These are protests

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against the shooting of three people by the Anaheim police over the past few weeks.

Anaheim police protesters take message to Disneyland

ANAHEIM, Calif. (KABC) -- Protestors gathered Saturday outside Disneyland and at the scene of one of three officer-involved shooting that claimed a man's life a week ago.

The protesters were peaceful as they made their voices heard. They said they want the Anaheim police chief removed from his position and they want the police department put under a microscope to explain what is behind the string of shootings.

"What I hope to accomplish here today and the rest of us, [is] that the people are aware of what's happening here in the city of Anaheim and that we want the police to be accountable for their actions," said protester Yvonne Elizondo.

Demonstrators also gathered at the scene of the first shooting that sparked major protests in the city. Calling it a "sidewalk speak out," residents voiced their frustration with the police department and their actions last Saturday, saying that there was no reason for officers to open fire on 24-year-old pursuit suspect Manuel Diaz.

[SidDithers]

30. They were shot by Mickey and Minnie?...nt

Sid

[sabrina 1]

45. Three people were shot by the Anaheim police, two died.

Disneyland is a place where the protesters can get their message to more people.

No one here in the US who is aware of these way too frequent tragedies, finds it at all amusing as the police appear to be killing more and more Americans with few consequences unless the people put this kind of effort into getting some attention for these crimes.

I'm glad you are amused though, I suppose someone always is. No doubt the cops are since they appear to have little to worry about when they kill citizens.

I know it's a silly idea, but most Americans I know would like to live in a country where they feel safe going out on the streets without fear of being gunned down by the police or have their children attacked by police dogs etc etc.

[shanti]

51. oh no, they did it now...

the people are sullying the reputation of the magic kingdom. you know that the city and police of anaheim will not put up with the possible loss of their cash cow.

[msanthrope]

54. But why Disneyland? nt

[sabrina 1]

68. Because they want to get more people's attention, I am assuming.

[ellisonz]

71. Disneyland is a massive part of the Anaheim economy. n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

82. A telling Tweet:

Alan Spencer ‏@MrAlanSpencer

Police in riot gear are surrounding Disneyland this morning. They got there early to beat the crowds. #Anaheim

Retweeted by Anonymous Pirates

[coalition_unwilling]

85. Welcome to the World's Happiest Place :sarcasm: - n/t

[Gregorian]

3. Who is the enemy?

I guess the answer is, the citizens. That kind of sucks.

[RKP5637]

53. More and more it seems to be shifting from "them" over there to

"them" here. I have a very uncomfortable feeling about all of this. Are we creating a version of the Gestapo in the US ... that will take on its own life.

[Warpy]

4. Nixon started militarizing the police

because he was terrified of students protesting the war he had no intention of stopping. The militarization has continued by every single administration since then, the drug war being their excuse. However, it was to get around Posse Comitatus and we all know it.

This is unacceptable. I don't care how frightened rich people get of the rest of us, this is just unacceptable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. That is NOT police, but NATIONAL GUARD

wanna bet this will not be on the evening news? And why was the Guard mobilized?

[Fire Walk With Me]

13. Disney.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. So let me get this straight, Disney Corp has the AUTHORITY of the Governor?

This had to be signed off by the Governor. And there has to be preceded by a state of emergency declaration, which for the record cannot find anywhere.

Further edit, this means somebody is breaking some laws...

Further edit, after going and looking at patches and highly pixelated picture of patch... this looks like SWAT.

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. They think if no one sees it, it didn't happen. BTW, NOT the national guard.

People present got close in and confirmed. Their uniforms said police and they checked their patches.

And yes, Disney owns and runs Anaheim. And CH7, and, and, and...

[zeemike]

60. Is there really any difference between the police and the national Gard?

They both dress the same and use the same tactics...and I would bet that most of the cops are in the NG or came out of the wars we have been having for the last 10 years....already trained and ready to go.
Yep Nixon started us on this path and it has matured into an industrial complex like the Military one. And once that happens it cannot be stopped politically.
It then becomes the enforcement arm of the industrial complex and no politician dare try to change it.

[RKP5637]

61. The MIC, Corporate America, Wall Street, Banking, etc. are now more

powerful than the government. And they hire the politicians. "We the people?" ... mostly not part of the equation, anymore.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Yes, legally

If I need the guard I need to get the governor to mobilize and all that.

This little kefunkle is going into my notes for a short that might become a novel... why? We are entering the world of nightmares of the national security, corporate state.

[zeemike]

65. I believe you are right.

And I am waiting for some one to talk about the solutions for it.
I have my own ideas but they are far to radical for most people or not practical....but it must be none violent...violence is a loser and that is why the cops and the PTB spend so much on trying to start something.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. What is scary is that 1984 was not a manual

but it seems to have become one.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Bullshit. Look at the right side of the pic in the chat section.

"@Timcast says POLICE across the back of the fatigues." So I went and did a little checking at the Orange County Register. There's a video available on the page detailing the protest. At :45 it CLEARLY shows the word POLICE on back of one of the fatigue wearing LEO's.

Wanna walk that back? Why was the Guard mobilized indeed...

[pasto76]

47. they are not guard troops.

try and remain calm and LOOK at them before you freak out. This soldier can spot the wannabes from a mile away

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Read the rest of the threat before you lecture me on it

they are SWAT elements, and the gear they are wearing is paramilitary gear, is that clear enough? There used to be a far more clear difference, want to continue now?

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. By the way Pasto please do tell me the difference

beyond police, on their uniforms, from these guys and a NATIONAL GUARD troop in Afghanistan.

Here, some guardsmen on duty, in country





You see, calling this what it is, the further militarization of the police is NOT freaking out.

Yup, civilian cops are paramilitary by their own nature... it is the nature of the job, but telling people NOT to freak out is telling them to STOP asking relevant questions.

[MineralMan]

87. No, it's not the National Guard, Nadin.

The National Guard was NOT mobilized.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Let me add this from 2004

I forgive you if you do NOT remember seeing this in the evening news either, since it never showed up.

LOS ANGELES, November 9, 2004 - At 7:50 PM armored tanks showed up at an anti-war protest in front of the federal building in Westwood.
The tanks circled the block twice, the second time parking themselves in the street and directly in front of the area where most of the protesters were gathered.

Enraged, some of the people attempted to block the tanks, but police quickly cleared the street.

The people continued to protest the presence of the tanks, but after about ten minutes the tanks drove off. It is unclear as to why the tanks were deployed to this location.

http://indymedia.us/en//2004/11/2183.shtml

[coalition_unwilling]

66. I think I was at that specific protest in Westwood. IIRC, a woman got her head bashed

in by the pigs with the LAPD, standing in the intersection of Wilshire and Veteran.

Scary shit.

[11 Bravo]

7. Damn! A just a little bit disproportionate, wouldn't you say?

[Honeycombe8]

8. Need more facts. nt

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. It's now linked in the OP.

[Occulus]

57. You always seem to.

[oldhippydude]

9. if i am not mistaken

timcast is OWS.. i followed his tim cast broadcast for the 60 day event after the initial sept 17.. i stayed up most of the night got to see the bat signal, and several hours of the trip through NYC.. all courtesy of timcast... these folks deserve our support...

as soon as we re-elect President Obama , take back the House, and hold the Senate, i will join them

[sabrina 1]

19. Yes, you are correct. He has been live-streaming OWS protests from the beginning.

His coverage was always excellent and was used in the recent court cases of those arrested in NYC causing those cases to be thrown out of court. Since then he has been getting harassed by the cops. At the NATO protests he was lucky not to have been shot when he was pulled over by the cops and one of them thought his cell phone, or his friend's not sure which, was a gun. Had another cop not shouted that it was a cell phone, someone might have been badly hurt that day.

They never used to bother him, airc. But since his footage has been winning court cases and exposing the lies the cops are telling under oath, and showing that the arrests they were making were false arrests, it seems he's getting singled out. He needs to be very careful. Now OWS joined by NY City Council members and Journalists, are suing the NYPD and Bloomberg and his footage will most likely be used in that suit.

And I agree, these protesters, OWS especially should be supported. They are out there doing what we all need to be doing. And should have been doing a long time ago.

[Lint Head]

10. Is this it?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443931404577555802262892414.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Curiois

Over two dozen police, some on horseback, watched the protesters from a distance. ...

The article mentions nowhere the presence of Guard troops.

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. Because the California National Guard WASN'T fucking there. n/t

The guys wearing fatigues had POLICE on their backs.

See upthread.

[zappaman]

32. Still, you have to admit it is rather "curiois". n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. And it gets curioiser and curioiser! n/t

[Ken Burch]

42. A word that derived from the term "curiois du bois"

A group of intellectual francophone mountain men in early Canada who spent their time attempting to discuss philosophy with fur-bearing animals. Most died of a combination of existential despair and scurvy.

[MindMover]

58. and hot nasty air filled with the smell of fur bearing animals

[MineralMan]

88. That's because the National Guard WAS NOT THERE!

[Quantess]

14. WTF...

[sabrina 1]

16. Unreal, were we invaded or something? They look like the military.

I read a while ago that the military was going to start 'deploying' units returning from our various wars to 'The Homeland', but I didn't post it as it seemed so incredible. However, it was published on military sites in a very casual way as if it were normal to have the military 'deployed' right here in the US.

I wonder when someone, maybe someone we elected somewhere will start asking questions about this militarization of our streets, before we are completely occupied?

That photo should scare people enough to start finding out who is responsible for this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. They look like it, but they're SWAT

Thos raises other questions though.

[sabrina 1]

38. Yes, I just saw that.

[deutsey]

17. Police state? What police state?

[IndyJones]

18. Probably because Disney isn't going to have their shops smashed in like what recently

happened in another area.

[sabrina 1]

21. You mean we need the military to protect Disney from American citizens exercising their 1st Amend.

Rights now? When did it become legal for the military to be used by a private corporation on American soil?

And where was this 'other area' where shops were smashed?? For months now protesters have been peacefully demonstrating and the only damage caused, the ONLY violence, has been perpetrated ON THEM by the Police.

Who do you suggest should protect the American People from the brutality the whole world has been seeing? The UN Rappateur of Human Rights has requested protection for the American people from the police.

But you seem to be seeing something the rest of the world has missed. Do you have a link?

Edited to say it looks like they are not the Military according to Fire in a comment above this, but are police dressed in military uniforms.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Swat, not guard

Made the same exact mistake.

[Mopar151]

33. Homeland security bought these guys a LOT of toys

I worked for a composites company who manufactured a lot of these helmets (as "Pro Police", Ceradyne, prev. Diaphorm) and built tooling & machinery for the military equivalents manufactured by Gentex. One of the inital orders was for (IIRC) San Diego C. Sherrif's Dept, for 3200 helmets.

[IndyJones]

43. I think they planned for the worst. They knew there was going to be protests and they

planned on more people showing up.

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. I was watching livestream of when the windows were broken and it is possible police shot them out

using their less-lethal weapons, which were indeed aimed in that general direction. However, if there is video or pictures of people doing it, I will accept it.

However. These are peaceful protesters; watch the above livestream archive. They were yesterday at the Disney gates, protesting. And even if, no police response of this order is possibly justifiable. Especially because these people are protesting the police execution of one of their own, and another police murder in as many days. See the Anonymous video in the OP; Anaheim police shot repeatedly with pepper ball weapons into a seated crowd of families. Women and children protesting these murders and those which had gone before. Police released a K9 into the seated crows. There is video of Anaheim children talking about police shooting at them there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. What else will you defend?

[Ken Burch]

44. Or just because Disney has always been firm on "law and order"

[mysuzuki2]

80. Have a nice day, Indy.

[girl gone mad]

83. Great... another "Democrat" who cares more about protecting windows..

than protecting our Constitutional rights.

[woo me with science]

29. Nobody will ever ask about this on "Meet the Press,"

nor will anyone be questioned about the NSA spy center to surveil our emails and phone calls.

Nobody asks about these things on the election trail. They won't be in any of the debates.

Wake up, America.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Actually RE NSA Elliot Spitzer had the three whistle blowers

on his program at Current... Why we need to SUPPORT independent media.

[sabrina 1]

36. True, but good on whoever got that shot. This is why they go after the live-streamers.

The media does as they are told, which we've seen over and over again at the OWS protests, how they leave right before the police start to move in and beat up protesters. But they can't control the citizen journalists, although they do target them.

This photo should be sent to every member of Congress, and maybe take out a full page ad in the NYT showing this and asking why these 'cops' are dressed as if they were going to war and who is responsible for it. Be interesting to see if the Times would publish that ad

[SunSeeker]

34. Anaheim was 8% latino as late as the 1960s, now it is over 50% latino. But city leaders aren't.

They have ignored the needs of the growing latino community, concentrating their resources on containing them rather than representing them. Anaheim is a company town. That company is Disney. Outside the well-manured walls of Disneyland begin the humble neighborhoods, which recently erupted when a young latino was shot in the back and killed by police.

The city has not handled it well, immediately resorting to rubber bullets, which seems to only have further fueled the protests and made them violent. There has been vandalism and broken shop windows by protesters, and one protester who alleged shot at police was killed.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/anaheim-police-protest-arrests.html

[uponit7771]

74. +1, sounds like what's happening here in Texas

[Ken Burch]

40. Privileges revoked after ONE post?

Whoa...did this guy have people skills or what?

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I blame the "mescans".

[sabrina 1]

50. You can always tell a right winger. They HATE OWS! Lol! Proving the success of the movement!

[zappaman]

73. Hmmm...interesting logic

The Teabagger movement is hated here on DU, is it not?
I guess by your logic it proves the success of the movement!
LOL!

[sabrina 1]

77. The Teabagger 'movement' is not a 'movement'. It is an astro-turf politically funded arm of the

Republican Party. It is not a grass roots operation, it is funded by the Koch Brothers among other disreputable right wing organizations. Anyone who still believes the teabaggers are a movement, haven't been paying attention.

They were exposed long ago for what they are. The original version of the Teabaggers were not hated and they were the ones to first protest the corruption on Wall Street St. The man credited with organizing those protests was often cited here because on this subject, he made sense. He has asked NOT to be associated with this fake, pretext of a Grass Roots 'movement' to his credit.

I definitely stand by my comment, the Right Wing hates, with a burning passion, OWS and it thrills me to go the comment section of news papers and see them thrashing around like vampires who just saw a cross, whenever anyone mentioned OWS. I also learn all their talking points which is fun too as they never were able to come up with their own words to express themselves. Another way to spot a Right Winger.

[Brother Buzz]

59. I'd give him points for cutting right to the chase

[IndyJones]

46. They are probably locals just like me who have the right to protest.

It's their right to be there. But Disney always plans for the worst.

btw, I lived in Santa Ana, went to high school and grade school there and work in that Anaheim area. People do have the right to protest, but businesses know there will be protests and they want protection. I don't see a problem with that. But I agree, the "protection" does not need to be overkill and end up creating riots and injuries that would not have otherwise happened without being egged on.

[Earth_First]

39. I cannot believe that there are folks upthread defending the militarization of law enforcement

[IndyJones]

48. Nooooo, not defending the militarization! But there were recent protests that got out of hand

and so that's how Disney responds - with heavy protection for their property and customers. They run Anaheim, no question about it. So they get protection when they want it.

[Hydra]

49. So, in particular areas, Disney owns the Gov't?

There's a word for that somewhere...I think it begins with an "F"...

[sabrina 1]

52. Disney doesn't own the police. Well, strike that, after we found out that Goldman Sachs donated

4 million to the NYPD, it sort of explained their 'diligence' in beating up peaceful protesters who dared to walk on Wall Street.

[limpyhobbler]

55. Does this really make anybody safer? What really needs protecting?

I don't think anybody is safer with this kind of military force on the streets.

The police provoke violence and create extra violence by showing up like this.

Let the people march. Who are the police protecting protecting exactly? This looks like straight up political repression.

[Fire Walk With Me]

56. I don't want =any= for-profit entity making decisions about my freedom.

Especially not a dire monstrosity like Disney.

[coalition_unwilling]

64. Emphatic K&R! Thanks for posting - n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

69. Update after 11 p.m. local news on CBS-2 (spoiler alert)

Sorry for the Olympics-humor.

CBS-2 news, as expected, was absolutely dreadful. Acc. to their reporter, the principal angle to the story is that organizers of the candlelight vigil for Manual Diaz (one of the 3 victims) didn't want to let protesters join the vigil to pay their respects. The police brutality and militarization received all of 5 seconds of video coverage, compared to a solid 120 seconds detailing the tiff between vigil organizers and demonstrators.

I don't normally watch local news, but we had "The Mentalist" on and they showed teaser clips, so I stuck around to watch. That's 10 minutes of my life I shall never get back.

[sabrina 1]

70. Did they show any photos of the cops dressed up like they were soldiers in a war zone?

These people need help as they don't seem to be getting anywhere on their own. And not a word from any of our elected officials about the murder by cops of American citizens.

[Fire Walk With Me]

72. Kick for Monday.

[Fire Walk With Me]

75. 182 photos of the Anaheim Police Protest ~ July 29 2012

http://wemustspeak.smugmug.com/Category/Anaheim-Police-Dept-Protest/24458133_kHhqRt#!i=1995505399&k=5vWW9gL

[Fire Walk With Me]

76. RT News: It's not just Homeland Security: US Army orders riot gear too

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-army-riot-gear-431/

It’s more than just stockpiling surveillance drones to spy on US citizens: the United States Army is attempting to procure an arsenal of riot gear in case the military must go toe-to-toe with civilians on US soil.

A solicitation for weapons posted on the official government website for federal business opportunities reveals that the US Army has been in the market for nonlethal equipment that it very well might be used in the United States. In a Web posting made earlier this summer, the Army asked for bids regarding its request for riot shields, face masks, polycarbonate batons and body armor. On July 10, they awarded the contract to A2Z Supply Corp of Stevensville, Montana, who pledged to fulfill their request at the tune of $6,589.98.

The latest inquiry from the US Army was filed only a few weeks before another call for bids was published by the Department of Homeland Security. On July 26, the DHS Office of Procurement Operations also wrote on FBO.gov that they were soliciting contractors to help equip them with riot helmets, tactic gloves, shin guards, body armor and other equipment comparable that could be used in tandem with a complex “riot control system.” According to the 2001 Executive Order that established the DHS signed by then-President George W Bush, the agency “will coordinate the executive branch's efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States.” With an agency assigned only domestic duties asking for thousands of dollars’ worth of riot gear — and an army with more than one million soldiers seeking body army, not assault rifles — many are suggesting that the solicitation requests are readying the government for a full blown war with its own people on US soil.

[xchrom]

78. du rec. nt

[Dawson Leery]

79. Remind me again why these thugs need union representation?

[tularetom]

81. Looks bad for bidness at the happiest place on earth

No way all the mommies and daddies are gonna want to walk their kids past Beirut in order to go see Mickey.

[L0oniX]

84. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA ...THE CORPORATIONS CONTROL EVERYTHING YOU FOOLS!

[Fire Walk With Me]

86. The question is again raised: National Guard or not?

Link to FB photo of them laying down on the grass. Some say cops don't do that but NG do:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=369166533156440&set=a.368474329892327.82947.200910253315403&type=1&theater

[lpbk2713]

90. Apparently automatic weapons and body armor are required to oppose the First Amendment

Pogo was right.

[libodem]

91. WTF?

OMG!