I think the daughter had something to do with poison attack in England

[nadine_mn]

Watching the Richard Engel on assignment piece...
Mentioned that that the man had lost his wife and son, he was kinda estranged from his daughter...who had remained in Russia while he moved to England.

Then just a month ago she comes to visit, they go to pay respects at the wife's grave, and then get sick?

The Russian guy who was familiar with the nerve agent said even if recovered, the person would remain in life support yet she is recovering well?

I can't say if she knowingly or unknowingly had a part in it, but I find the timing suspicious. Because everything in the news is out of some weird spy novel.
Or slapstick comedy
Or horror film.

[FirstLight]

1. That *is* interesting...

but this too:

"Because everything in the news is out of some weird spy novel.
Or slapstick comedy
Or horror film. "

[democratisphere]

2. Pure speculation without any evidence or facts.

[nadine_mn]

3. So I'm not allowed to say..huh that seems hinky?

I didn't say it was a fact, didn't say it was true, didn't say she knowing tried to poison her dad. Just mentioned that after watching the special and the timeline it seemed suspicious.

You don't think...given Putin's rhetoric on how he wants traitors to pay, that she wasn't under observation while living in Russia? That she going to visit her father might be see as an opportunity where his guard might be down? She may have had nothing to do with anything, could have just been an opportunity.

Unless you don't think the Russians didn't poison them, then that's a different argument. I'm assuming they were behind it.

[LisaL]

19. She has visited him before. There are photos of them eating at the same restaurant on previous

occasions.

[Bayard]

75. Interesting and plausible

I hadn't thought of that.

[JI7]

4. interesting , i don't think it's impossible.

[flibbitygiblets]

5. The thought crossed my mind too, when I heard she had come from Russia

I'm sure it's being looked into as a possibility. But it's unlikely she'd have poisoned herself, so if she was involved, probably unwittingly. Authorities are pretty sure the nerve agent was left on the father's front door, which suggests someone else involved.

[SunSeeker]

6. No. As Richard Engel reported tonight, investigators determined they were poisoned at their house.

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The poison was applied to the door knob of Skripal's house's front door. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/ex-russian-spy-skripal-poisoned-by-nerve-agent-on-door-of-home.html That is why both of them were poisoned when they used the front door. That is also how the Salisbury police officer got poisoned, when he went to investigate their house. A very tiny amount, a quarter of a pinhead, of this military grade neurotoxin will kill a person. Experts believe the only reason they did not die immediately is that the dose was diluted since it was absorbed through the skin from the door knob rather than ingested.

If she poisoned him, why would she also poison herself? Why would she put it on a spot, the front door knob, that she needed to touch as well?

Also, although Engel reported she has apparently regained some consciousness, she may, and probably did, sustain at least some brain damage from the neurotoxin. No one intentionally does that to themselves.

Putin sent one of his assassins to smear Novichok on Skripal's front door knob. That's how this happened.

[NutmegYankee]

7. The police officer was discharged on the 22nd.

Thankfully he is doing well. A second police officer is being treated as an outpatient.

[SunSeeker]

8. Glad to hear it. nt

[Demsrule86]

13. Perhaps he did not ingest it but was being watched...don't see how anyone poisoned with this stuff

recovers which basically makes this attack an act of war.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/poisoned-former-double-agent-sergei-skripal-wrote-vladimir-putin-asking-pardoned-095144257.html

[nadine_mn]

9. I don't think her arrival and the subsequent poisoning are unrelated

It could be anything from she was an innocent victim with no knowledge whatsoever but his guard was down because he hadn't seen her in awhile and they went to pay respects to the mom/wife

To she didn't think she would get poisoned (or had some antidote)

To she didn't care, she had already lost the rest of her family.

The estrangement, visit, then poisoned just raised the hairs on the back of my neck.

Listening to how pissed Putin is about traitors and making them pay with their lives, the suspicious deaths in London, the fact the daughter had remained in Russia....

I am fully willing to believe spies saw the opportunity to use the daughter's visit as a chance to get to him and she is completely innocent of any knowledge or participation.

I am not normally a suspicious person, and I know it sounds like something from a cheesy spy movie.

[LisaL]

21. She supposedly had a fiance and was planning to marry.

Hard to envision that she just didn't care. And again, she wasn't estranged.

[SunSeeker]

76. Skripal was living openly. His was listed under his own name.

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His house, which featured a good-luck horseshoe on the front door, was bought for 260,000 pounds ($360,000) in 2011. Skripal was listed as living there under his own name.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/ex-russian-spy-skripal-poisoned-by-nerve-agent-on-door-of-home.html

He came to England as part of a spy swap. I imagine he thought Putin would keep his end of the bargain. What is the point of swapping spies if the spies you get back are then killed by the other side? Teresa May actually made a comment along those lines, that not only is this a vicious murder, but it is Putin in essence reneging on the spy swap. He got his spy back, England didn't.

Alas, Putin is not a man of his word. He is a murderous, lying, authoritarian kleptocrat and a thug. He did this because he thought he could get away with it, now that he has his Orange Puppet in the White House. And he was right. Although Trump put on a show of expelling Russian diplomats over this, it was confirmed that Russia could maintain the same staffing levels. So all Putin is doing is rotating out spies for fresh ones.

[LisaL]

28. How did this supposed assassin smear it on the front door without injuring him or herself?

[LiberalArkie]

47. Maybe in some sort of gel or liquid that dries out. Maybe on the outside of dress gloves.

[SunSeeker]

70. Some delivery device like a syringe/dropper.

And I imagine the assassin also wore impermeable gloves.

[LisaL]

72. And what about inhalation? Was he/she also wearing a face mask?

[SunSeeker]

73. Maybe. But such a tiny amount needed to be applied.

I don't think much fumes were involved. If the assassin applied it quickly without inhaling and immediately left, as he no doubt did, then he probably would not be exposed to any fumes.

[Eyeball_Kid]

59. Almost certainly, Russian intelligence was tracking

the daughter, who led them to Skripal's house.

Russians don't place much value in human life, unless it's their own. Collateral damage is a given. Putin will kill with impunity. That's what Trumpy likes about him.

[LisaL]

68. WTF would they need to track her for?

She's lived in England for while and visited him regularly. If they were interested in knowing where he was, they would have known it for many years.

[Achilleaze]

10. When she's well enough someone should ask her

Have you stopped beating your husband?

[Demsrule86]

12. She will never be well enough. This poison is fatal.

I hope the British citizens did not ingest it because they will also die.

[LisaL]

16. Fatal? Fatal means deadly. She is said to be improving rapidly.

Supposedly she is already eating, drinking and talking.

[Demsrule86]

22. I have read a great deal about this poison and on this thread I posted some of the details.

I do not believe she will fully cover...eventually she will die.

[LisaL]

23. Eventually we are all going to die.

Nobody lives forever. She is recovering from what has been reported. Maybe, just maybe, the information about the poison you have read wasn't correct.

[LisaL]

38. You can rely on whatever you want.

But when the police officer supposedly poisoned by the same thing is already out and about, I am going to believe that this poison isn't as deadly as we were led to believe.

[Demsrule86]

11. She was poisoned also. I don't think so. It is a fatal poison. Once ingested there is no cure...it

is merely a matter of time before you die. There is no antidote. And around the same time another Russian was strangled.

[LisaL]

17. She is said to be improving, so she isn't going to die.

[Demsrule86]

20. The person who created this poison said there was no antidote that was effective

"A chemist who worked in the laboratory developing Novichok accidentally inhaled fumes while filling a syringe, and collapsed. Though he was injected with an antidote and eventually awoke, he suffered from depression and epilepsy and died five years later, leaving Vil Mirzayanov, a scientist who helped develop the agent, deeply disillusioned.

“Antidotes exist, but what does antidote mean?” Mr. Mirzayanov, who had leaked the project to the press and later immigrated to the United States, told Sky News on Tuesday. “You’re saving a person who has been exposed to this gas — but temporarily, not to die this time. But he will be an invalid for the rest of his life.”

Andrew C. Weber, a former assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical and biological defense programs, recalls picking his way through a secret, abandoned Soviet research facility in Nukus, Uzbekistan, which the United States was asked to helped destroy in the early 2000s.

Entering a basement room, Mr. Weber saw a disturbing sight: “dozens and dozens of restraining devices” used to immobilize dogs while their skin was exposed to Novichok agents in the form of a powder or paste. He said that he believed each test involved 50 to 100 dogs, and that at least 1,000 dogs had been killed at the facility."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html

[LisaL]

25. Again, she is said to be recovering rapidly.

So what does that tell you?

[oasis]

26. Scary and sad information but, abundantly clear. Thank you.

[LisaL]

27. If that is so abundantly clear, why is she recovering?

[oasis]

29. "Recovering" only to die in the not to distant future. nt

[LisaL]

32. And you know that how?

The police officer that was supposedly poisoned by the same poison is said to have recovered.

[oasis]

33. Unfortunately, he'll also die before his time. Read post#20. nt

[LisaL]

35. Oh give me a break.

Poison isn't "fatal" if the person poisoned by it is alive and walking around.

[oasis]

39. HIROSHIMA. nt

[LisaL]

40. A lot of things are going to kill you before your time.

[oasis]

43. With the possible exception of those who have "recovered".

[blake2012]

49. Why are you so intent in this line of argument? You dont seem too expert on the topic

There have been people charged with murder when their actions seriously damaged another person and led to a premature death even years later.

[LisaL]

50. Are you an expert on the topic?

She is said to be recovering, the policeman is already out of the hospital. How is that murder when they are not dead?

[blake2012]

52. No, but I am not making adamant assertions with certainty and without proof like the other poster is

[LisaL]

53. You mean, baseless speculation?

[blake2012]

55. That too

😂

[oasis]

57. Read post# 20. Including the link provided. nt

[blake2012]

60. Why not just link to post in question? Im not going to hunt through 70 replies

Looking for Post 20 on my phone

[LisaL]

61. Did it ever occur to you that a guy who worked on it in the eighties might not be

aware of all the latest developments and treatments?

[oasis]

69. Months and years from now I'd be happy to learn all who were

exposed have fully recovered. Until then, I will share the concerns of the accepted experts on the subject.

[LisaL]

71. Yes, there is a good chance they won't live forever.

[oasis]

74. "The less one is exposed to poisonous substances, the greater

is one's chance for a longer life." So there is a certain amount of logic on which we both agree.

[karynnj]

77. Just reading the chemist's reasoning, I am not as convinced as you that this is as definitive

as you suggest. He is arguing based on a sample of ONE. That man, was exposed and treated with an antidote and later suffered from depression and epilepsy, dying of unspecified causes later. While it might be that the poison episode could have triggered epilepsy, I would be more impressed if the medical community made that assessment - not a chemist. Depression is even harder to link to the poisoning as there often is no identifiable cause for depression. In many cases, there is a genetic susceptibility. Note - I am not a doctor, a medical researcher etc and I am not saying that the poison COULD not have caused these later illnesses. What I am saying is that this uses neither a cause and effect analysis showing how the poison operates on the body and why it could or would have these long term effects or (fortunately) a study that shows that a sample of people exposed to this ALL (to make your statement) had these problems.

What I would suggest is that the chemist likely had grave concerns about the program -- possibly seeing the 1000 dogs die - or - just knowing that he was working on developing a potent poison that could, and likely would, be used to kill. He might be questioning his own role in something that led to a war crime.

[LisaL]

79. And never mind it was 30 years since he worked on making these poisons.

Much better antidotes could have been developed since then.

[karynnj]

80. Great point! That plus the policeman has recovered

[Meowmee]

14. Its possible

You never know

[DrDan]

15. so she poisoned herself . . . that is an interesting theory

[milestogo]

24. unless she didn't understand the danger of the nerve agent

which is unlikely

[DrDan]

67. yep - pretty unlikely - and would require a lot of trust in the KGB

[LisaL]

18. She wasn't estranged. She visited him regularly as far as I can tell.

Daily mail has photos of her previous visits. Apparently they followed similar routines, eating at the same restaurant.

[samnsara]

30. at one time i read..somewhere.. that it had been packed into her luggage...by...whom?

...so now they say maybe on the door knobs?

[dlk]

31. When it Concerns Russia, Anything is Possible -- The Timing of Her Visit from Russia is Suspect

We will probably never really know.

[R B Garr]

34. Re: the daughter. I heard she had broken up with the son

of a Russian operative type (forget the title or level of authority), and that she was possibly the real target. Something like that. I think I heard that on Rachel Maddow.

[LisaL]

36. If you believe daily mail, the two were planning to marry so not broken up.

Supposedly his mother wasn't happy about it.

[R B Garr]

42. Ah, I remember it was the mother who was mentioned, but forgot

her title or involvement. Yes, the mother had something against the daughter. Maybe it was a convenient two-fer as an excuse to take them both out.

[Vinnie From Indy]

41. "I can't say if she knowingly or unknowingly had a part in it"

"I think the daughter had something to do with poison attack in England"

LOL!

[nadine_mn]

44. Sorry that was poorly worded - I guess I meant to say I think there is a link

between her visit and the poisoning. I don't think the two things are unrelated.

I'm sorry - the tin foil hat interferes with my posting

[FarCenter]

45. Russia 'is protecting' identity of Yulia Skripal's mystery boyfriend whose mother 'is linked to Mo

Russia 'is protecting' identity of Yulia Skripal's mystery boyfriend – whose mother 'is linked to Moscow's secret service' – after it's claimed double-agent's daughter was poisoning target

Russia appears to be protecting the identity of Yulia Skripal's 'strange' fiancé who has suspected links to Moscow's secret services.

His name is understood to be known to several major Moscow newspapers, but has not appeared publicly, nor has he spoken about her fate.

The identity of his mother has not been revealed - she is reported to have high-level connections to the 'siloviki', Vladimir Putin's secret services - and allegedly strongly objected to her son's relationship with the 'daughter of a traitor'.

A High Court judge in London made clear last week that the Russian man Yulia, 33, was intending to marry had made no attempt to get in touch with the hospital where she is in a coma fighting for her life after she and her father were poisoned with nerve agent Novichok.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5557625/Russia-protecting-identity-Yulia-Skripals-mystery-boyfriend.html

[FarCenter]

46. Yulia Skripal: from suburban Moscow life to nerve agent mystery

After university, Yulia went to work at Nike’s Moscow branch, leaving in 2010, after Sergei was released from prison as part of a high-profile prisoner swap involving 10 deep-cover sleeper agents planted in the US by Moscow, including Anna Chapman, a diplomat’s daughter. After serving five and a half years of his sentence, Sergei was plucked from prison and flown to Britain to start a new life. His family soon joined him.

Yulia appeared to love life in England, posting a photograph of Salisbury cathedral to her Facebook page. A video on one of her social media accounts shows the family’s back garden in Salisbury. “Little rascal,” Yulia says, as a squirrel munches on primroses in the well-cared-for flowerbed. She passed her driving test while in England and bought a car. She worked for a while at the Holiday Inn in Southampton, where she appears to have been popular with her colleagues.

...

The family was hit by tragedy in 2012, when Yulia’s mother, Lyudmila, died in England of cancer. Last year, her older brother, Alexander, died of liver failure while on holiday in St Petersburg at the age of 43. He was buried in Salisbury, near his mother. The BBC cited relatives who say the circumstances of his death were suspicious. Yulia removed family photographs from her social media account last year, according to friends. It remains unclear why. She returned to Russia in 2014, but continued to visit England often.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/08/yulia-skripal-from-suburban-moscow-life-to-nerve-agent-mystery

She appears to have worked for PepsiCo Russia in Moscow after 2014.

I thought that she had some connection with the American embassy in Moscow, but I can't find a reference.

[csziggy]

48. My first thought when Engel said that was she was followed by the KGB

Since Skripal was hiding, maybe the current version of the KGB used her to locate him. Then whoever was following applied the toxin to the doorknob.

[underpants]

51. That's seems more likely to me - like tracking a courier to find a wanted person

Having not seen the report in question and figuring that I can't see someone poisoning themself (unless coerced or under some sort of pressure) I'd say that tracking her lead them to him. Of course if there was anything to the OP's speculation having her die too would take care of a lot of loose ends.

[LisaL]

56. Tracking her? Really?

Who says he was hiding?

[LisaL]

54. Who says he was hiding?

She was visiting him regularly.

[underpants]

58. I thought he was in hiding

If I'm wrong about that excuse me. My mistake.

[LisaL]

62. You must be confusing him with somebody else.

Like the guy who wrote the dossier?

[csziggy]

63. Engel did, if I heard him right

That he'd been living in hiding since moving to the UK.

[LisaL]

65. Daily mail has photos of his daughter visiting him on prior occasions.

They went to the same restaurant. Kind of hard to understand how he was hiding when it appears he was living a regular life in UK.

[SunSeeker]

78. I didn't hear him say that and I watched Engel's story last night.

Skripal definitely was not in hiding:

His house, which featured a good-luck horseshoe on the front door, was bought for 260,000 pounds ($360,000) in 2011. Skripal was listed as living there under his own name.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/ex-russian-spy-skripal-poisoned-by-nerve-agent-on-door-of-home.html

Putin knew where he lived, and that is where he poisoned him.

[TubbersUK]

64. I've never read anything to suggest that he was in hiding

Certainly his family were very open about their connection to him and Salisbury.

Yulia appeared to love life in England, posting a photograph of Salisbury cathedral to her Facebook page. A video on one of her social media accounts shows the family’s back garden in Salisbury. “Little rascal,” Yulia says, as a squirrel munches on primroses in the well-cared-for flowerbed. She passed her driving test while in England and bought a car. She worked for a while at the Holiday Inn in Southampton, where she appears to have been popular with her colleagues.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/08/yulia-skripal-from-suburban-moscow-life-to-nerve-agent-mystery

[LisaL]

66. Yes, exactly.

Add to that, she wasn't estranged from her father. She lived in England for a while, then she had moved back to Russia, but she was regularly vising her father in England.