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Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:06 PM

What do you guys think about the following ticket?

Kamala Harris/Joe Kennedy III.....

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Reply What do you guys think about the following ticket? (Original post)
Upthevibe Apr 2018 OP
CTyankee Apr 2018 #1
leftstreet Apr 2018 #2
we can do it Apr 2018 #4
Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #6
leftstreet Apr 2018 #14
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treestar Apr 2018 #56
GaYellowDawg Apr 2018 #71
exboyfil Apr 2018 #76
TeamPooka Apr 2018 #12
EffieBlack Apr 2018 #30
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Hortensis Apr 2018 #50
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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:13 PM

1. I like it a lot.

A strong woman of color and an upcoming young man who is also a Kennedy.

My dtr in CA likes Harris a lot. And after the disaster that is Trump, the country would be relieved and grateful.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:15 PM

2. Neither one of them can beat Trump

They're both just fine as Democratic front runners, but not against an incumbent like Trump

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:17 PM

4. A steaming pile of dogshit could beat that ass.🙄

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Response to we can do it (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:18 PM

6. Be prepared for a line about why Kamala is great, but...great, but.

It will be endless.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:35 PM

14. I don't know why anyone would say that

As I said, she (and Kennedy for that matter) would be fine as candidates. They'd wipe the floor against a McCain or Romney, etc.

But they can't beat an incumbent Trump.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:05 PM

19. Incumbents aren't invincible and Trump is the

biggest joke this nation has ever seen. He is imminently beatable. Even his "victory" was fluky.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:56 PM

56. Lowest approval rating, obviously in over his head

incumbency does not help him.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:48 PM

71. Which is what we thought in 2016, yes?

Anyone who has Fox News carrying out 24-hour propaganda for him has a great shot at winning any election. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

Kamala Harris is not electable at the top of the ticket. Much of the country reacted to an African-American president by voting for the worst president in history. Those people haven't suddenly lost hold of their racism. Most of the same people are also quite sexist, too. There's absolutely no way at this point in our history that an African-American woman woman, even if she is as exceptional as Kamala Harris is, can get elected.

And as charismatic as he is, Kennedy is just too young. I wouldn't put Kennedy on a ticket at all, and I think the best that we could hope for with respect to Harris would be vice-president. I don't like it. I think she would make an exceptional president. But what I like and the way things are, are two completely different things.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:33 PM

76. Which states

I will give you Clinton's states, but you need the lost firewall of PA, WI, and MI or one of those and FL. The ticket does not enhance that chance at all. Does it help to flip AZ or NC?

2 1/2 years is an eternity away. I already see evidence of Trump solidifying even with this trade war nonsense. Trump very well could lose the popular vote by 4% or more and still retain the Presidency.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:27 PM

12. You are underestimating what will happen when we nominate a black woman for President.

Especially Harris.
She's my pick right now.
She is how we galvanize voters.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:30 PM

30. America wasn't ready for a black President, either. Until it was.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #30)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:50 PM

38. exactly

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #30)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:21 PM

50. True. As we all know, black men got the vote 50 years

before black women did. Most of those old enough to understand and cheer that great advance died without ever being able to vote.

Back in the 1980s or so at 3 different points I heard black female leaders say that of being black and being a woman they each felt that being a woman had been the greater handicap. Unfortunately, the only name I remember is Shirley Chisholm. Forty years on, we are all still waiting for equality.

I like Harris a lot for her real qualities and experience, though, and I hope to have her among my primary choices for president. The young (white) prince would pull in votes from the romantics yearning for that sort of thing, but she wouldn't have to decide what would work until after she won the primary.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #50)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:24 PM

57. Yes and no

 

The right of black men to vote was codified in the Constitution’s 15th Amendment but for millions of black men across the country, especially in the South, that meant little. And after women’s suffrage was written into the Constitution, millions of black women still could not vote. In reality, millions of blacks - men and women - were not able to vote until after the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #57)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:26 PM

61. That's true. But it wasn't even codified for women,

and this seemed fine and natural not only to most men black and white but also to large numbers of women black and white. That huge difference, written right into the foundations of our religions and cultures, goes far deeper than skin color. Not that I'm saying women were all oppressed alike, of course. We all know, and some of us are old enough to feel, that white women have always been significantly safer and freer just walking the street, much less trying to vote, than black.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #61)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:40 PM

63. But there was a difference

 

Certainly, white women did not have the vote during that period, but there was a big difference between their situation and that of black men and women. The vast majority of white women lived in households with men and, therefore, their families and households had political representation and voice. And while on many issues, their husbands/fathers/brothers/sons did not necessarily vote the women’s interests, on many others, their interests were joined and the males voted to protect those interests to the benefit of the white women.

On the other hand, most black women had no such protection or backstop. They not only could not vote themselves, they had no one to vote their interests on their behalf.

Moreover, white women could protest and march for the right to vote. Black women were lynched for even saying they wanted to vote - and sometimes simply because their husbands tried to exercise the right supposedly guaranteed them by the Constitution. For the most part, the Suffagette movement was strictly for white women, with black women excluded - and when women were granted the right to vote, most black women did not benefit at all and while women did little to stand up for them.

And when, later in the century, black women fought to exercise their Constitutional right, white women were just as likely as white men to be the ones screaming at them, threatening them and doing everything they could to stop them.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #63)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:05 PM

64. I certainly won't argue that white women didn't have a

a degree of representation through the votes of their menfolk that black women whose menfolk did not vote did not have.

You made your points very well, and I think everyone who's read them understands. I am making other points, broadening the discussion, not dismissing it.

I'm guessing Maxine Waters may have been one of the three who separately gave the same evaluation of their experiences as black women in politics because I was a young wife and mother in California in this era and one was one of ours. Maxine certainly fits that bill. The third had also been long nationally known by that time.



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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:52 PM

49. Agree. Id happily support her. And hed have a good following.

Both are young, liberal, have charisma and experience and I have no problem with his “dynasty.”

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:48 PM

54. Black women actually vote for Democrats. They won't need to be convinced

They will be leading GOTV across the country.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:35 PM

15. We don't even know if we'll be running against trump by then.

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Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:27 PM

45. and i think you either greatly underestimate Trump or overestimate the American electorate

we will know much more after November, but my outlook is nowhere near as rosy as yours.

for one thing, we assume there will be elections as we have known them after several years of Putin's Puppet running the show. let's do that for the sake of argument, although no one can say with certainty at this point what the shape of our voting systems will be by then.

imho, if Trump runs in 2020 he is quite likely to win. i don't see any reason the techniques he used in 2016 wouldn't work again. any reference we might make to his clearly awful record is offset by his actually having held the office for four years so he can campaign as The People's President or whatever other ridiculous title he chooses to bestow upon himself. those who voted for him before are going to vote for him again, and the media will have normalized his shitty behavior from multiple angles.

our best -- hell, only -- chance is to win the house in 2018 so investigations of Trump's crimes can continue in earnest. Trump must be impeached on grounds so obvious and strong that even the morally bankrupt GOP-controlled senate will have no choice but to remove him from office.

Pence? weak candidate, any cartoon character could beat him, but Trump not so much. Republicans may have given themselves a mortal wound, but they've still got a lot of bleeding out to do before they're "finished" as you say.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:11 PM

43. I think either of them can beat him.

I like both of them. I think they're both headed for great things and Kamala is something special IMHO.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:31 PM

47. If we can fix the election system and keep the Russians out, DT would lose

against almost anyone we put up.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:54 PM

55. Those are big 'ifs'

You're not wrong, but I was thinking of the current reality and what we can reasonably expect to see resolved before 2020

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:36 PM

77. The people who have the power to fix it

have no interest in fixing it.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:16 PM

3. Let's focus on midterms totally. Once that is done, we can look to 2020. nt

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:39 PM

35. Exactly

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:44 PM

80. Ain't that the truth!!!!!

 

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:18 PM

5. LOve it, EASILY beats rump if we are allowed to vote and count our votes

EASILY

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:24 PM

9. Yes. Smart and caring ticket.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:24 PM

7. K&R

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:24 PM

8. Schiff/kennedy

I’d also like eliz warren appointed in the administration to clean up the banking/financing industry.
And Robert Mueller as the head of the FBI.
Schneiderman as US attorney general.

But its too soon.

The sooner anyone announces their intention, the more time the repukes have to sling dirt.

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Response to Clarity2 (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:28 PM

52. No Congressnman has ever made the leap straight to POTUS without being a

Senator or Gov first.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #52)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:32 PM

62. I dont know why that is but

surely his 22 yrs of experience in politics vs. trumps zero experience qualifies him for the job. Oh, and he has a harvard degree and was a prosecutor, along with having extensive knowledge in foreign affairs.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #52)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:11 PM

73. Honest Abe

Abraham Lincoln served in the House, never the Senate, Governor or VP

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #73)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:24 PM

75. Republicans will do some crazy stuff

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #73)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:16 AM

84. Good point, bottomofthehill...

I hear Abraham Lincoln was a pretty good President - but maybe that's just a rumor....

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:25 PM

10. Midterms first, please! Nt

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:26 PM

11. I think that I will worry about 2018 before I even think about 2020.

As with all the other 2020 threads, to the trash...

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:27 PM

13. I would rather see someone like Gov. Kate Brown

She's becoming more nationally known and recognized as a power in the party because she's really, really smart, works goods with people from both parties, and isn't intimidated by others easily. We need more smart women in top positions in our government. By seeing her policies she represents the people very well also.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:14 PM

44. I just looked her up....

She was born in Spain but to a U.S. military family so I think that would make her eligible. I'd never even heard of her but I LOVE Oregon!

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:42 PM

16. If people on the Left actually show up to vote and nobody pouts or votes 3rd party,

any competent candidate could win. We'll see if the bold talk about a blue wave in the midterms comes to pass as well as if young people actually showing up to vote is more than talk. If Democrats can take the House they can be a thorn in Trump's side along with his getting cut and weakened by Mueller's investigation (let's be real about what might actually happen) then I have my doubts if Trump will actually run if he really believes he would lose as an incumbent. He will declare his presidency to be the most beautiful and successful in presidential history, that there is a massive conspiracy to bring him down, and so he will "retire" on top (on top in his mind).
But if Democrats take the House and then proceed to spend months to impeach Trump, who will never be convicted by the Senate, they will make a martyr of him firing up his base as well as causing some Republicans to support him who might otherwise have not done that a second time.

But a note to the Left and Democratic candidates: The President of the United States is elected by winning 270 electoral votes, not by the popular vote.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:49 PM

17. Sharrod Brown/Julian Castro

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:00 PM

18. November is looming, people

Any discussion about 2020 is premature because the November elections are critical, as in avoiding total disaster for the country at large. We win in November then we go full-speed into 2020 predictions/candidate selections/weighing this and that.

But it's one step at a time. The step coming in the Fall is HUGE and will foreshadow all to come--for the good or for the very, very bad.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:05 PM

20. I like them both, but lets see how 2018 goes first.

 

Some interesting things and names could pop up between now and the next presidential election.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:06 PM

21. Let's make it through 2018 first.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:12 PM

22. No thanks on Kennedy.

His stance on marijuana alone should keep him off any Dem ticket.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:42 PM

69. On one issue youre going to delete him??

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #69)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:53 PM

72. It is a big issue for a lot of younger voters.

He should stay on the sidelines unless he evolves.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #72)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:23 PM

74. young voters only care about the weed vote?

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #74)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:00 PM

83. When did I say they only care about weed?

They also care about education costs and jobs. Someone that offers solutions to these is who they'll vote for.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:18 PM

23. No No No

I was told here on DU some weeks ago that I must support Oprah Winfrey as our candidate,
and we should scrap the primaries,
nominating her by acclamation.

I was told if I did not do so,
I am sexist and racist!

People can't keep making me switch to the flavor of the day!

I'm all in for Oprah !

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:23 PM

24. Let's leave it alone for awhile. Too many people here

 

haven't let go of freaking 2016 ticket and primary yet

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:51 PM

25. Blah

Not a fan of Harris

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Response to Lebam in LA (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:38 PM

33. Explain

She seems like a moderately liberal, highly confident, effective administrator. That's just my impression though. I really don't know much about her on substance.

Can you break down what your objections are?

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:51 PM

26. Tammy Duckworth!!!

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:12 PM

28. let's do the upcoming midterms first

Let's focus on what needs doing now, and in the next 8 months

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:19 PM

29. Way too early to tell.

Maybe good, maybe not so good. I'll let you know in 2019.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:31 PM

31. Adam Schiff is my current favorite!

nt

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:36 PM

32. I will vote for and work for just about anyone we nominate.

In this country, style and likeability count so much more than substance on issues. I'm an old fool, and I always look for substance and experience. But only style and likeability matter

So I don't intend to have any opinions during the primaries. We need to get someone likeable and inspiring on the ticket, win in 2020, and start cleaning all the shit off the walls

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:38 PM

34. Cory Booker/Sherrod Brown.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #34)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:09 PM

42. Two men?

 

We can do better.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:38 PM

53. Cory Booker/Catherine Cortez Masto

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:47 PM

81. Senator Masto is an intriguing choice

Would she help in AZ? I know it is difficult for a newly minted Senator, but if the party is serious about looking to the next generation of leaders, she needs better Committee assignments. Right now she has no high profile assignments.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:49 PM

36. If we don't take over the House in

2018 we may not have a country worth fighting for in 2020. Please focus folks.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:20 PM

37. Nothing. That's the next fight. Not the current one.

Ask me again after the mid-terms.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:58 PM

39. Biden-Harris

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #39)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:37 PM

60. Finally

Someone speaking my mind. Biden for 4 years, Harris thereafter.

Schneiderman for AG
Rosenworcel for FCC Chair
Reich for Economics
Kerry for State (again)

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Response to DAMANgoldberg (Reply #60)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:18 PM

86. Exactly my opinion

 

Biden runs to give America a comfortable alternative to Trump, and Kamala gets groomed for 2024.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:07 PM

40. There's a lot an African-American woman would bring to the ticket.

Think about all of the obstacles a female has to overcome to achieve success in this country.

Then think about all of the obstacles a black person has to overcome in order to achieve success here.

Multiply those two things and that's what it takes to make it in the current society for a black female.

Successful black females need a broad array of knowledge in several different areas, have to think on their feet, know how to manage hostile entities. They also know when to walk away and when to stand their ground. They have incomparable grit and stamina. Not that others don't have these same qualities -- but I think the courage and intestinal fortitude factors give them something special.

JMHO

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Response to Tatiana (Reply #40)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:37 PM

78. Yes, true there's a lot an African-American woman would bring to the ticket.

About Kamala Harris: Harris was born on October 20, 1964 in Oakland, California to a Tamil Indian mother, Shyamala Gopalan Harris (1938–2009), and a Jamaican father, Donald Harris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

It would be supremely foolish to ignore her background.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:08 PM

41. Solid

 

Long way to go though and lots to do before then!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:30 PM

46. +1

miles to go before we sleep

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Response to oberliner (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:50 PM

48. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! To those folks who have commented that 2020 shouldn't EVEN. BE. DISCUSSED: PLEASE. DO. NOT. THINK. THAT. I. AM. DISREGARDING. OR. IN. ANY. WAY. IMPLYING. THAT. I. DO. NOT REALIZE. THE. IMPORTANCE. OF. THE. 2018 MIDTERMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I simply asked for an opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And to those who have given feedback on my inquiry, thank you.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:24 PM

51. Adam Schiff / Joe Kennedy Iii

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:33 PM

67. I love Schiff too...n/t

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Response to Upthevibe (Reply #67)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:48 PM

70. Adam is a real level headed, smart leader!

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:41 PM

79. You need someone from the midwest

or a Florida favorite son/daughter. You may need both.

Also speaking as a white man, I don't see how you can have two white men on the ticket.

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:18 PM

58. Midterms first, please. GOTV

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Response to Hekate (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:35 PM

87. Exactly. Not interested in speculating beyond that right now.

We don't have Howard Dean working his inspirational and organizational magic this time, so it's either GOTV or have Republicans gloat at our unsuccessful efforts by pulling out one "surprise upset" after another. They will portray themselves as triumphant underdogs, coming from behind to retain their congressional majorities, claiming the America People have spoken, when no such thing took place. The American People spoke clearly in the presidential election of 2016, and the winning candidate did NOT take office. Only a massive GOTV on our side can prevent a rerun of this:



Don't think the Republicans are ignorant as to how popular they are right now. They know what they're (Republicanese: "their" up against. Putin acts like a Stalinist, as do our Republicans, and don't forget that quote attributed to Stalin: "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:24 PM

59. Sounds good but then again I thought Clinton/Kaine would win.


I hope the strategists come up with a good plan and a good message.


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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:13 PM

65. We would be making a huge mistake in nominating a female

 

We are already making that mistake in 2018 with too many females, and consequently our net gain will not be what it should be or otherwise would be.

Pivotal independent voters shy away from female nominees. As a gambler I've known about that for a long time and it was glaring in 2006, when likewise we ruined our rightful net by nominating too many women.

Our party is incompetent in ignoring the big picture while relying on garbage subjectivity here and garbage subjectivity there. The idea should be to make fewer decisions, not more of them. Staying away from women unless it is a slam dunk race should be one of the absolute priorities, unless we are determined to remain in the minority or nearby.

This guy described the bottom line very well, estimating a 3 percent deficit for female nominees if similar caliber to an opposing male:

https://scholars.org/brief/win-elections-do-women-candidates-have-be-better-qualified-men

"Women who are more qualified to run end up doing as well as male candidates on Election Day. However, when male and female candidates are equally qualified, women confront a three-percent vote-penalty – that is, they get three percent less support from voters than would otherwise be expected."

<snip>

"I find that male independent voters – exactly the voters who often swing elections – are equally supportive of women candidates who have stronger qualifications. But when quality is held constant, male independents are 23 percent less likely to vote for female than male candidates."

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #65)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:17 PM

66. WTF?

 

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #65)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:35 PM

68. Wow...........n/t

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:59 PM

82. google the following: Kamala Harris Mnuchen OneWest Bank

 

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 02:52 AM

85. It sure beats Bolton / Hannity

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Response to Upthevibe (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:44 PM

88. We heard plenty of excuses why America would never elect Obama either

until he won in a historic landslide winning lots of new states that our party had given up for decades

Obama did temper the experience issue by picking Grandpa Joe Biden for his running mate. Joe Kennedy doesn't offer that.

I'm with you on Kamala Devi Harris, but maybe a more experienced VP like a governor or mayor with executive experience or an elder statesman/woman with international relations experience to repair the damage Trump has done to the world. A good rust belt Dem with lots of support from labor and manufacturing might help also.

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