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(6,282 posts)I still think we will see trump fire Mueller and that makes me mad. I keep seeing that huge numbers of folks will hit the streets if trump does it.
lapfog_1
(29,314 posts)Nixon DID tape his private conversations in the oval office.
Not incredibly bright to tape him ordering a criminal cover up and obstruction.
But at least Nixon could spell and speak coherently.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)but Tricky Dick gave us legal precedence for getting rid of a sitting President.
and he wasn't even too treasonous by comparison.
geardaddy
(25,014 posts)He held talks through Kissinger promising the war would end if they waited for him to become president. Thus, hampering Johnson's efforts in the peace talks.
Farmer-Rick
(10,417 posts)I wonder how many men died while they waited for Nixon to end the war?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Saw it recently and just wanted to scream.
The part I had not remembered from back then was that after the Post published the Pentagon papers, Nixon furiously gave orders for the Post to never be in the WH again, never be given a story. This was June of 1971. Watergate was almost exactly a year later, and all bets were off then for publicity.
magicarpet
(14,812 posts).... with Iran/Contra via Israel. To toss a rusty wrench into Carter's attempts to get the American hostages back home before the date the Carter VS Reagan national presidential election held.
Those treasonous bastards forced the release date ahead to the day after the national elections. With the specific intent to severely disadvantage Carter in his second term attempts. That too was an act of treason to meddle in diplomatic negotiations to alter an election result more favorable to your chosen candidate. Poppy Bush was secretly sent to Paris to negotiate that crooked deal. Talk about Logan Act violations - morphed to in your face treason.
Again treason was perpetrated - but the culprit got a boys will be boys - just vibrant political gamesmanship - and got a fucking pass for that teasonous stunt.
Dollars to donuts Rethug political operatives and treasonous hacks like Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Henry Kissinger all played a role in these treasonous act back then too - like they had a hand in meddling with tRdump election results.
It has just crossed the line way into - not just political operatives doing op research - but now into honing highly unethical techniques to sway election results. PsyOp (psychological operation) with data algorithms that toy and play with the fears, anxieties, and raw emotions of individual voters. Then deviously alter or high jack their vote before they even enter the voting booth.
We better get a handle on this - it is a loudly clanging bell signaling the death knell of our American Democracy if we fail to address and remedy these issues forthwith.
geardaddy
(25,014 posts)True Blue American
(18,015 posts)It was clear then what Trump was. Kissinger is a war criminal. Can not leave the US because he would be arrested.
GW Bush is in that same boat.
calimary
(82,061 posts)If I remember correctly, Reagans version was secret talks with the Iranians to hold off releasing the American hostages toward the end of 1980. So he could beat Jimmy Carter. And sure enough - part of Reagans inaugural speech the following January was his reading an announcement that the hostages had just been freed.
I swear! The ONLY damned reason that detestable, deplorable party seems able to win is by CHEATING. They have to cheat or otherwise rig the game (voter suppression in all its evil and often racist forms, congressional district gerrymandering) to win.
geardaddy
(25,014 posts)Juliusseizure
(562 posts)Without Nixon, the courts, Trump, congress, the public would be dealing in a vacuum with no roadmap.
Trump and a lot of those senators and Supreme Court Judges lived through Watergate.
The crime that put Nixon into a death spiral was obstruction-the Saturday Night Massacre was flat out obstruction, and Trump knows it.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,636 posts)spanone
(136,275 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,100 posts)many of us binge watched.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I wonder ....if the Pentagon papers had never happened, would the public reaction to Watergate have been as strong?
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)He established the Environmental Protection Agency (that Trump is trying to dismantle)
He expanded affirmative action enforcement
He supported lowering voting age to 18
He insisted that Congress expand the Civil Rights Commission to include sexual discrimination
I'm definitely not a Nixon apologist. Nixon was a shit, to be sure, but he looks a hell of a lot better than Trump, who has accomplished zero so far. It doesn't look like he'll get better.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)but he was the last New Deal president
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Dotard done for this country, but divided its people and robbed it's treasury.
Capperdan
(494 posts)In California
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)argyl
(3,064 posts)He just reluctantly signed it into law.
In 1967 LBJ commissioned a Task Force on Environmental Health and Related Problems. A total of thirty four principal recommendations were made, the final ten calling for legislation to be sent to Congress establishing an Environmental Protection Act.
It went to the full Congress in early 1969 and after almost a year the final version was crafted. And on
Jan. 1st, 1970, it was signed into law by Nixon, who was no supporter, he just knew that it would be politically damaging to oppose it.
Johnson also signed the first federal legislation for any regulations on air and water, which were previously seen as local or state issues.
He also signed into law the Wilderness Act and the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act.
Not trying to bash you, but the almost universally accepted notion that Nixon established the EPA just drives me up the wall.
True Blue American
(18,015 posts)NAFTA?
argyl
(3,064 posts)True Blue American
(18,015 posts)Nixon also wanted Health Care for all. Honestly, there is no comparing Nixon to Trump.
Nixon was smart. He just became paranoid and made bad mistakes. Trump is corrupt through and through.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)1) Faux News did not exist
2) There were MANY republicans in House and Senate who put Country before party
Exotica
(1,461 posts)Oppaloopa
(869 posts)Exotica
(1,461 posts)passion of a thousand suns.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Calling my Reps and Sen. today.
appalachiablue
(41,490 posts)Fox TV, now everywhere started in 1996.
Time to get on it, way long past due..
NewJeffCT
(56,830 posts)Democrats has big majorities in both houses of Congress, so only need a handful of Republicans to have a veto proof margin: 56 Senators and 241 House members.
That said, Republicans mostly stuck with Nixon until the tapes came out - just like they're sticking with Trump now
Exotica
(1,461 posts)lock up Trussian traitors for life
JustAnotherGen
(32,353 posts)So I missed it -well . . . I watched it with my mom but I'm waaaaaaaay to young to remember.
She swears up and down - there will be no 'Pat Buchanan' that emerges from this epic disaster.
Love the 'meme'!
Mickju
(1,808 posts)Read the Washington Post every morning. One of the highlights of my entire life was watching Nixon resign on TV.
Exotica
(1,461 posts)This time led out in handcuffs.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)He was shifty eyed and insincere and I could not understand how everyone else could not see it just by looking at him.
After he resigned, I worried for a couple of years that he would weasel back into government somehow, given his track record of being counted down and out and then popping back up again..remember the Checkers speech?
The Pentagon Papers would have taken him down eventually, but then Watergate happened and knocked the war crimes he committed off the news.
The 3 networks reported the Watergate news every night, it seemed.
Walter Cronkite was a tv news god, highly respected, people had been watching him on CBS news for ages, in our family, he was the only news anchor we watched, and what he reported we believed.
My feelings towards Trump are mostly disgust and revulsion. I fear for out country, knowing how easy it is now to lead people astray with information.
gademocrat7
(10,751 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,662 posts)LakeArenal
(29,042 posts)FIRE THE COXSACKER
And we did!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,662 posts)Why Change Dicks In The Middle Of A Screw?
Vote For Nixon In '72!
LakeArenal
(29,042 posts)Another at the time totally unrelated to politics....
I STILL BLAME YOKO...
Nitram
(23,499 posts)elocs
(22,782 posts)I was operating the sound board and so had to sit through hours of the hearings.
I distinctly remember thinking, "Nothing is ever going to come of this".
Now I read and hear so many on the Left being excited and completely convinced that this is the end of Trump. Well, it ain't over til it's over and those who gloat last gloat best.
Trump can still do a lot of damage before he goes and what he has already done will leave scars on this nation for decades. The tens of millions of Trump supporters and conservatives are going nowhere, and the opposite political extremes will become more entrenched in their positions than ever. And remembering the outcome of Watergate, Nixon did resign but Ford did pardon him for everything he could be charged with or ever be charged with.
And the same would happen with Trump...no perp walk, no jail time, no great fantasies of the Left.
Sure, Trump will be gone but will it be worth what he has done rather than having been vigilant in making sure he was never elected in the first place?
appalachiablue
(41,490 posts)the presiding judge at the trial, at a shopping ctr. in DC five years later. What an era it was.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,619 posts)Being Canada, it wasn't wall-to-wall coverage.
My favourite moment came when Dan Rather was recognized as having the next question. A stir went through the attendees, some positive, some negative, and totally noticeable. Nixon asked "Well, Dan. Are you running for office?"
Rather said "No, Mr. President. Are you?"
BIG TIME scoowl from Nixon....stony silence from everyone else.
appalachiablue
(41,490 posts)True Blue American
(18,015 posts)appalachiablue
(41,490 posts)Two of these in a lifetime is more than enough!
BobTheSubgenius
(11,619 posts)I like that!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)benld74
(9,935 posts)OR do you believe Mueller has yet ANOTHER contingency plan?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,662 posts)All that evidence is probably stored or at least copied somewhere where Trump's goons can't get at it (the Watergate investigators did the same thing right after the Saturday Night Massacre - they smuggled documents out of their offices before Nixon's goons could get them). And firing Mueller isn't firing the other people working on the investigation, so unless all funding and support is also removed, I would assume those people would keep going. The case relating to Cohen that was just referred to SDNY will continue, and that is almost certain to involve Trump. Finally, Mueller has already given information to the NY state AG, Eric Schneiderman, whose office is investigating state crimes (probably money laundering and racketeering). Trump can't interfere in any way with a state prosecution, and he can't pardon anyone Schneiderman prosecutes.
Gothmog
(147,601 posts)Thanks