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RandySF

(59,158 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:13 PM Apr 2018

THIS is what happens when you fuck with the FBI....

A CBS headline on the top of my phone...

Sources who have seen the warrants against Michael Cohen tell CBS News that they seem like a "search and destroy mission" focused on President Trump.



You just don't try and fuck with the most elite law enforcement agency on the world.
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THIS is what happens when you fuck with the FBI.... (Original Post) RandySF Apr 2018 OP
Don't make it sound like a revenge thing. It's not. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #1
That's right.....and that's the whole point of fucking w/ the FBI in the first place..to discredit.. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #4
+1. This is what happens when you break the law and try to cover it up. meadowlander Apr 2018 #12
True True Blue American Apr 2018 #55
But schadenfreude is icing on the cake RVN VET71 Apr 2018 #62
To be fair, they could have ignored it. I went to FBI cpamomfromtexas Apr 2018 #23
I called the local office many yrs ago Duppers Apr 2018 #28
Reporting federal crimes to the FBI is futile jberryhill Apr 2018 #39
That's not how the FBI gets involved. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #44
+1000 or JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #51
And by the way, unless it's $500,000 louis-t Apr 2018 #56
To be fair, felonies at this level are a little different than your friend's issues. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #42
And he's as crooked as can be Renew Deal Apr 2018 #31
Exactly. The OP is RIDICULOUS and anti-FBI. Trump appointee Chris Wray is FBI Director. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #41
Exactly. RW wants a FBI our to get Trump meme to take hold blake2012 Apr 2018 #49
true but mnmoderatedem Apr 2018 #67
Sounds about right. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #2
If t-rump goes down so does a whole lot of his cronies Iliyah Apr 2018 #3
Or be a LOT more circumspect about it gratuitous Apr 2018 #5
I never understood how they didn't fear this. Corgigal Apr 2018 #6
I would pee in my pants if one just asked me a question. RandySF Apr 2018 #7
Nah. Our last resident special agent was a mmusher. raven mad Apr 2018 #10
When I graduated ROTC but had not been called to active duty I got a knock on the door. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2018 #50
Oh, that's not helpful at all RandomAccess Apr 2018 #8
agreed Skittles Apr 2018 #13
I agree with Skitt. DemoTex Apr 2018 #20
Usually agree with you but here I have to say I love what RandySF posted. triron Apr 2018 #26
They can say that until the evidence becomes un-ignorable. Volaris Apr 2018 #30
Yes, it does. And it's totally false. Trump appointee Chris Wray is FBI Director AND it's not THEIR Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #47
I heard on the telly today that Trump is going to fire Wray soon Exotica Apr 2018 #60
... Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #9
Let's Not Call It Revenge Leith Apr 2018 #11
"that they seem like a "search and destroy mission"" yonder Apr 2018 #14
Boyscouts Johnny2X2X Apr 2018 #15
FBI Don't Like Crooks PaulX2 Apr 2018 #16
Democracy at work. Laws are for everyone including POTUS usaf-vet Apr 2018 #17
Like "messing with Sasquatch"? world wide wally Apr 2018 #18
The Untouchables DemoTex Apr 2018 #19
So when the FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King suggesting he commit suicide former9thward Apr 2018 #21
Former Hippies Put in Horrible Position of Rooting for F.B.I. dflprincess Apr 2018 #22
I made a FOIA request for my FBI file. former9thward Apr 2018 #25
No kiddin that's A Thing you gan get??? Volaris Apr 2018 #32
Yes, you can get it. former9thward Apr 2018 #64
Silly article. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #45
You realize that article is satire, right? hueymahl Apr 2018 #59
Is that like when Trump later says, "I was just joking"? Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #61
Understood - that is exactly what the article says hueymahl Apr 2018 #63
The FBI also got cleaned up pretty considerably after those days. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #27
Oh hell ya! triron Apr 2018 #24
They are a tightly knit, PATRIOTIC group of Americans. George II Apr 2018 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #33
Making eggs benedict requires careful orchestration. uppityperson Apr 2018 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #36
Prep time: 5 minutesCook time: 20 minutesYield: Makes 4 one-egg one-muffin servings uppityperson Apr 2018 #38
That's precisely why I order them in restaurants instead. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2018 #40
The FBI Director is Trump appointee, Republican Chris Wray. These warrants were reviewed & approved. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #37
I don't think it's payback. This was reviewed by high level DOJ, Rosenstein, & referred by Mueller. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #34
All the Intelligence Services have been maligned NoMoreRepugs Apr 2018 #43
And Fuck with the FBI they Cha Apr 2018 #46
I am not sure what is going through tRumps Head about now. Grammy23 Apr 2018 #48
a little bit always gets left in your pants thewhollytoast Apr 2018 #52
Go get them crooks BlueJac Apr 2018 #53
I agree with people who said this wasn't revenge NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #54
Well, now the GOP has a new sound bite with which to deflect. n/t Orsino Apr 2018 #57
And the NYPD. Nitram Apr 2018 #58
K&R... spanone Apr 2018 #65
Cant wait for the CIA to extract their pound of flesh... czarjak Apr 2018 #66
The FBI has warts and a checkered history. PufPuf23 Apr 2018 #68

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
1. Don't make it sound like a revenge thing. It's not.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:15 PM
Apr 2018

They have found evidence of illegal acts and they're just doing their job.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
4. That's right.....and that's the whole point of fucking w/ the FBI in the first place..to discredit..
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:21 PM
Apr 2018

because RUMP obviously knows what they are going to find.

meadowlander

(4,402 posts)
12. +1. This is what happens when you break the law and try to cover it up.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:59 PM
Apr 2018

Fucking with the FBI has nothing to do with it.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
55. True
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:54 AM
Apr 2018

Just do not treat the law as your personal protector?

They are not! The FBI and Justice Department is there to protect,”We, The People!”

RVN VET71

(2,697 posts)
62. But schadenfreude is icing on the cake
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:32 PM
Apr 2018

These investigations would all be going on even if Trump had done nothing but praise the FBI. But Trump being Trump, I suspect numerous professionals -- not just FBI, but CIA and other Federal LEOs -- are taking a certain amount of pleasure each time another nail is hammered into the coffin's lid.

cpamomfromtexas

(1,247 posts)
23. To be fair, they could have ignored it. I went to FBI
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:46 PM
Apr 2018

And walked them through the evidence of a friend of mine-nothing so far has been done as far as we can tell.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
28. I called the local office many yrs ago
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:14 PM
Apr 2018

And left a message about an important crime issue*, along with my willingness to share a name and info. A person trusted me enough to tell me something truly shocking. Anyway, I never got a call back.

* Not about drugs.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
39. Reporting federal crimes to the FBI is futile
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:54 PM
Apr 2018

I handed them a guy on a silver platter who doing serial bank fraud to the tune of over $100k. They could not give a shit.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. That's not how the FBI gets involved.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:04 AM
Apr 2018

They don't take calls from the public. Too many wackos with personal vendettas would call in about their ex gfs or bfs.

You report a crime to local authorities, and they will investigate, if they think it's warranted. IF it involves certain crimes, and IF they get a warrant, they'll refer to the FBI. I think that's how it works.

Notice that even Mueller didn't go straight to the FBI.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
56. And by the way, unless it's $500,000
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:13 PM
Apr 2018

for things like identity fraud, they don't even get involved. So much of it is going on.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
42. To be fair, felonies at this level are a little different than your friend's issues.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:00 AM
Apr 2018

The head of the FBI is Trump appointee, Republican Chris Wray. The warrants were reviewed & approved by Trump's DOJ people,and Republican Rosenstein.

It was reviewed & approved by a judge. This is a serious matter. It's not easy to get search and seizure warrants against an attorney, much less the personal attorney of the President. There must be strong evidence that was attached to the warrant requests.

They're doing their job. This is serious stuff.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. Exactly. The OP is RIDICULOUS and anti-FBI. Trump appointee Chris Wray is FBI Director.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:56 PM
Apr 2018

He's Republican. A host of high level DOJ (Trump's DOJ) reviewed and approved the warrants. Republican Mueller turned info over to Republican Rosenstein. A judge reviewed and approved it. It's not easy to get search and seizure warrants on an attorney, much less the President's personal attorney.

This was not payback in any way. That's insulting to the FBI, the DOJ, the AG's office, and the rule of law. They are not on a fishing expedition.

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
67. true but
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:51 PM
Apr 2018

trump didn't help himself by his constant insults of the intelligence community.

the "intelligence" community that he constantly denigrated for his own ends is going to kick his ass.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Or be a LOT more circumspect about it
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:28 PM
Apr 2018

Like the folks who broke into the FBI office in Media PA were:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/224642/the-burglary-by-betty-medsger/9780804173667/

If you haven't read it, get it, and read it! The true, firsthand story of the folks who uncovered Hoover's COINTELPRO shenanigans.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
6. I never understood how they didn't fear this.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:32 PM
Apr 2018

We all knew this was coming. My family would be dropping from a heart attack, this isn't play.

Almost nothing worst an American can experience.

Thanks, I'll stay middle class and law abiding. Just couldn't handle that amount of stress. Masterminds believing their own hype. Dangerous.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
10. Nah. Our last resident special agent was a mmusher.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:51 PM
Apr 2018

The only question he asked was how cold is it at the starting line? (Yukon Quest)

50. When I graduated ROTC but had not been called to active duty I got a knock on the door.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:33 AM
Apr 2018

When I opened it, there was a man holding out his identification (I can't remember if it was FBI or OSI) and telling me he was doing a background investigation and would I answer some questions. Like I had a choice. He was very nice, I was a nervous wreck. I didn't think I had ever done anything that would warrant further investigation, but it's hard to think when your mind is racing a mile a minute.

I would have probably pissed in my pants had he handed me a search warrant.

In the end I passed the background check.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
8. Oh, that's not helpful at all
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:40 PM
Apr 2018

That plays right into the hands of Mueller detractors who say this is all just partisan shit.

triron

(22,012 posts)
26. Usually agree with you but here I have to say I love what RandySF posted.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:51 PM
Apr 2018

FUCK Trump and Big Time. He is a monster.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
30. They can say that until the evidence becomes un-ignorable.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:25 PM
Apr 2018

'If the president does it, it's not illegal.' is NOT the same as saying 'the president didn't do it.'
Even the people who thought Nixon was wrong to resign were ready to admit he actually did that shit. Proof is Proof. The American People will eventually just ignore them for their idiocy.

Then maybe we can get ourselves back to running an actual democracy with a useful and functional government.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. Yes, it does. And it's totally false. Trump appointee Chris Wray is FBI Director AND it's not THEIR
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:16 AM
Apr 2018

warrants. The warrants came from the SDNY, approved by Trump's DOJ, Republican Rosenstein, and a judge. This is in no way payback. That's a ridiculous claim and childish even to think it. Shows he doesn't understand the procedure and the review process that was involved in this serious matter.

yonder

(9,669 posts)
14. "that they seem like a "search and destroy mission""
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:14 PM
Apr 2018

Talk about CBS planting a seed/meme. For whatever reason, that sounds like CBS is trying to set a hook.

Johnny2X2X

(19,107 posts)
15. Boyscouts
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:16 PM
Apr 2018

The FBI is filled with absolute Boyscouts. These are the brightest and best and they are committed to th law and to doing things the right way. They will make a case with zero holes in it.

usaf-vet

(6,196 posts)
17. Democracy at work. Laws are for everyone including POTUS
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:20 PM
Apr 2018

Your old methods of avoiding responsibility are not going to work now. It may take longer but to quote our British friends. YOU WILL BE IN THE DOCK BEFORE THIS IS OVER.

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
21. So when the FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King suggesting he commit suicide
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:37 PM
Apr 2018

he should have just gone along with it. Ok, I know where you are coming from... People calling themselves progressives have now gone 180 degrees from where they used to be.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
22. Former Hippies Put in Horrible Position of Rooting for F.B.I.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:44 PM
Apr 2018

Andy Borowitz

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/former-hippies-put-in-horrible-position-of-rooting-for-fbi


WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Former hippies across the United States have been put in the unbearable position of rooting for the F.B.I., hippies have confirmed.

From Vermont to California, erstwhile hippies bemoaned a nightmare scenario that has forced them to side with a law-enforcement agency they have despised since the Summer of Love.

“I always dreamed I’d spend my retirement surrounded by my grandchildren, telling them that the F.B.I. were fascist pigs,” Carol Foyler, a former hippie who lives in Santa Cruz, said. “That dream has been shot to hell.”

Her husband, Mick, nodded his head in sad agreement. “We were so happy when pot was legalized in California,” he said. “But the fact that we’re now on the same side as the F.B.I. has ruined even that.”

Now in their seventies, the Foylers are spending their days doing things they never dreamed possible when they traipsed through the mud at Woodstock: going door to door in Santa Cruz, asking other former freaks to sign a pro-F.B.I. petition.

“Donald Trump has wrecked America’s standing around the world, spread misogyny and bigotry, ravaged the environment, and endorsed a child molester,” Carol said. “But making people like us support the F.B.I. is the most unforgivable thing he’s done.”

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
25. I made a FOIA request for my FBI file.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:51 PM
Apr 2018

It now sits proudly in my living room 3 1/2 inches thick detailing my activities as a Students for a Democratic Society leader on the west coast and later activities. I was never a hippie and maybe that's why I will never fall into the trap of worshiping the FBI or anyone who works for them.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
32. No kiddin that's A Thing you gan get???
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:30 PM
Apr 2018

Holy cow now I want mine (if I have one...I wonder if I can ask them to run an online search on me first so they know that I know that they know what porn I watch lol)!

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
64. Yes, you can get it.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:12 PM
Apr 2018

The FBI has a FOIA website and you can do it online. Be prepared to wait a long time. It is not a section that is fully staffed...

https://efoia.fbi.gov/#home

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
61. Is that like when Trump later says, "I was just joking"?
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:23 PM
Apr 2018

I take things as they are stated. If it's a joke...people indicate that at the time. If it's satire, it appears in a satirical publication or is stated to be satire. Otherwise...it ain't a joke, and it sure ain't satire.

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
63. Understood - that is exactly what the article says
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 04:07 PM
Apr 2018

Boorwitz writes a column that is pure satire. The heading on the article says in red type "Satire from the Borowitz Report"

But you do have to click on the link to see it, so if you did not bother to do that, I could see how you would be confused.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
27. The FBI also got cleaned up pretty considerably after those days.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:01 PM
Apr 2018

J. Edgar Hoover, who was its director for 48 years, turned it into his own very powerful fiefdom and used information it collected to control the decisions of politicians. It eventually became notorious for its political intelligence gathering, obscenity investigations, secret files and targeting of African-Americans, gays, war protesters and leftists. During the '60s and '70s they surveilled peaceful civilians who were involved in the civil rights and antiwar movements, which Hoover considered to be Communist movements. After Hoover died, Congress passed legislation to ensure that directors would serve 10-year term to avoid the abuses of an entrenched director like Hoover. It would also help avoid FBI directors being subservient to partisan presidential interests.

Although there's certainly room for criticism it's not Hoover's FBI any more.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
35. Making eggs benedict requires careful orchestration.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:50 PM
Apr 2018

You have to have warm, crispy bacon, hot buttered toasted English muffins, eggs poached perfectly to your desire, and a warm, creamy, unbroken Hollandaise sauce, all at about the same time.

Response to uppityperson (Reply #35)

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
38. Prep time: 5 minutesCook time: 20 minutesYield: Makes 4 one-egg one-muffin servings
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:52 PM
Apr 2018

Chicken ampersands &

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
37. The FBI Director is Trump appointee, Republican Chris Wray. These warrants were reviewed & approved.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:52 PM
Apr 2018

by a host of high level Trump DOJ people, Republican Rosenstein, and the info was turned in to Rosenstein by Republican Mueller.

But nice try, Mr. 2-post, out-of-the-gate anti-FBI.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
34. I don't think it's payback. This was reviewed by high level DOJ, Rosenstein, & referred by Mueller.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:48 PM
Apr 2018

The FBI Director is now Trump appointee, Republican Chris Wray. No, this isn't payback at all.

But Trump probably thinks it is.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,453 posts)
43. All the Intelligence Services have been maligned
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:03 AM
Apr 2018

by El Douche..... the rule of law combined with karma is a formidable force.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
48. I am not sure what is going through tRumps Head about now.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:17 AM
Apr 2018

He is quite used to doing whatever he wants to do with fixers like Cohen to make it all okay again. He pays off various people and the punishment that most of us would get for our misdeeds goes away for him. At least it has worked that way up to now.

tRump is in a whole other arena and the old methods are not protecting him anymore. And his fixers and ass kissers are finding themselves in the hot seat. How many will sing like a canary to save their own hides. Cohen says he will take a bullet for tRump. When the long arm of the law starts to put the screws to this guy, let’s see how brave he is and how many bullets he is prepared to take for a guy that has already tossed him under the bus and is prepared to put it in reverse and back over him again as often as necessary.
 

thewhollytoast

(318 posts)
52. a little bit always gets left in your pants
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:41 AM
Apr 2018

All 100 senators headed to White House for classified briefing on North Korea on Apr. 26, 2017

All 100 senators were invited and taken in buses for the unprecedented, classified briefing. President Trump's secretary of State, Defense secretary, top general and national intelligence director were to outline for them North Korea's escalating nuclear capabilities and U.S. response options, officials said. The briefing team was to meet later with House members in the Capitol.

The unusual sessions don't necessarily presage the use of force along one of the world's most heavily militarized frontiers, and some lawmakers questioned whether the cross-Washington procession was largely show, with Trump expected to drop in on the Eisenhower Executive Office Building gathering of lawmakers.

But it certainly reflected the increased American alarm over North Korea's progress in developing a nuclear-tipped missile that could strike the U.S. mainland. And the recent flurry of military activity on and around the divided Korean peninsula has put the world at high alert.

But, this is not true. Bernie Sanders never got on that bus. He stated that he did not want to be part of a photo-opportunity.

Principles count. I know he won’t run again, but there are many that will.

Go Ema!

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
54. I agree with people who said this wasn't revenge
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:33 AM
Apr 2018

However, people in the FBI are human beings, with human feelings. They can't help but be upset with Trump's constant attacks on the agency. They definitely did investigate a potential serious crime, by the book and after multiple officials signing off on the warrant, but I'll bet at least some of them felt a certain amount of "fuck you, Trump" privately.

PufPuf23

(8,818 posts)
68. The FBI has warts and a checkered history.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:54 PM
Apr 2018

So far looks good regards removal of Trump but I reserve judgement pending results.

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