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This passage in particular:
kimbutgar
(21,181 posts)LisaM
(27,827 posts)The minute he did it, I started feeling sick and I haven't stopped since. (Oh, and props to his daughter for correcting him on one of my pet peeves).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It makes absolutely no sense and his "explanation" in the book makes it even worse.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Response to oberliner (Original post)
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Gothmog
(145,489 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)a course in ethical leadership next fall )
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)nose in it..it will piss Trump off so badly if it is a success.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)piss Trump off.
manor321
(3,344 posts)Yes, we know he was tremendously horrible here, with astonishingly terrible consequences for millions of human beings.
But I'm still thrilled with his book and hope it gets press coverage every day for weeks.
unblock
(52,309 posts)he violated *two* doj policies, (1) commenting about an ongoing case and (2) political comments close to an election.
there was no important doj principle to protect by overriding these two policies, so keeping his mouth shut was the obvious thing to do.
also, note that it was republican operators badgering him to do this kind of thing, hillary's camp certainly wasn't telling him to reveal this information!
seriously, he's trying to convince us he meant it as a favor to hillary????
oberliner
(58,724 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,036 posts)herding cats
(19,567 posts)I have no plans to purchase it.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Not entirely sure I agree with President Obama on this...
Comey defends his handling of the Clinton email investigation and for the first time details a private assurance he received from President Obama following Clintons defeat. Many Democrats blame Comey for announcing less than two weeks before the election that the FBI was examining a new trove of Clinton emails for possible classified material.
Comey writes that Obama sat alone with him in the Oval Office in late November and told him, I picked you to be FBI director because of your integrity and your ability. I want you to know that nothing nothing has happened in the last year to change my view.
On the verge of tears, Comey told Obama, Boy, were those words I needed to hear .?.?. Im just trying to do the right thing.
I know, Obama said. I know.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/james-comeys-memoir-trump-fixates-on-proving-lewd-dossier-allegations-false/2018/04/12/64493866-3ce2-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?utm_term=.08884dba2235
yardwork
(61,700 posts)It doesn't change the fact that Comey showed incredibly poor judgement that lost Clinton the election.
garybeck
(9,942 posts)not sure i agree with that.
she was still ahead in the polls.
it would blame it on russia more than comey.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"Absent that, I believe the evidence shows I would have won," Clinton told NBC's "TODAY" in her first live television interview since losing the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/13/hillary-clinton-without-comey-letter-i-would-have-won.html
lunasun
(21,646 posts)meadowlander
(4,402 posts)If it hadn't been the emails, it would have been some other dirty trick or more aggressive vote tampering or just made up batshit pizza-gate-esque fake news or new evidence uncovered on Benghazi or Whitewater.
It doesn't make sense to me why Clinton took such a massive dip in the polls over what was essentially old news. There was nothing new about the email scandal or it being investigated. I don't think without the Russians catapulting the propaganda and massive voter suppression/tampering that Comey's actions would have had the result they did.
In any case, what's important now is taking down Trump and if Comey is able to help with that in any way, now is not the time to be undercutting him. We can point fingers after Trump is frogmarched out of the White House.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)It has nothing to do with being consistent and everything to do with not being a party to a GOP campaign to discredit him:
The website prominently features quotes from Democrats highly critical of Comey before his firing by President Trump nearly a year ago as he grew agitated by the Russia probe.
RNC officials say their effort will also include digital ads, a war room to monitor Comeys television appearances, a rapid response team to rebut his claims in real time and coordination of Trump surrogates to fan out across other TV programs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-campaign-seeks-to-brand-comey-a-liar-as-he-touts-book-critical-of-trump/2018/04/12/4c8ee4c2-3e4b-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?utm_term=.7646a263d596
Cui bono. Who benefits from undermining James Comey at this juncture ?
rzemanfl
(29,567 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)rzemanfl
(29,567 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Owl
(3,643 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I, too, blame the polls. There were a thousand things that caused Hillary to lose, some more than others. We all know the list. Its long.
I blame the media polls more than anything else. My gut feeling tells me that too many people just didnt bother to vote. Not because Russian meddling hyped Susan Sarandon, et cetera, but because people heard 99% chance that Clinton will win, impossible for a Trump victory and simply figured Eh, I got other things to do today.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)witch hunt?
And you think he was right?
Why wasnt he concerned about a traitorous mob boss rapist becoming president? He knew what Trump really was and said NOTHING.
Fuck Comey and his little book tour.
Blaming the voters when she won by over three million votes is getting old and tired.
Comey was a huge factor in the election. Period.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Like I said: theres a big list of people to blame. Comey, in fact, is one of those lying, cheating Republicans. Hed been out to get her since the Whitewater investigation, where the American taxpayers spent $120 million dollars to conclusively prove that the Clinton family had once lost 50k in an a 1978 Arkansas land deal.
But out of that long list, from Sarandon to speeches to soviets, I blame the American media most of all. They not only gave Trump ten times the advertising, for free, but they basically said, Dont bother voting because Hillarys going to win. Thats the message they were putting out, intentionally or otherwise. Had Hillary received equal, fair airtime and had the media not treated the election like a foregone conclusion Clinton would have had the biggest blow out victory in American political history.
In short: Comey can go fuck himself, but hes not wrong about the medias influence on that election.
Kingofalldems
(38,469 posts)And I'll be watching.
BTW, aren't the republicans on a smear campaign against Comey?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)GOP campaign seeks to brand Comey a liar as he touts book critical of Trump
In advance of a publicity tour by James B. Comey to promote his new book, the Republican National Committee is preparing a widespread campaign to undercut his credibility, including a new website that dubs the former FBI director as Lyin Comey.
The website prominently features quotes from Democrats highly critical of Comey before his firing by President Trump nearly a year ago as he grew agitated by the Russia probe.
RNC officials say their effort will also include digital ads, a war room to monitor Comeys television appearances, a rapid response team to rebut his claims in real time and coordination of Trump surrogates to fan out across other TV programs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-campaign-seeks-to-brand-comey-a-liar-as-he-touts-book-critical-of-trump/2018/04/12/4c8ee4c2-3e4b-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?utm_term=.7646a263d596
oberliner
(58,724 posts)They are even recycling the "Lyin'" monicker used for Ted Cruz to apply to Comey.
It's amazing how he went from being beloved by Republicans when he was hurting Hillary Clinton to being their enemy when he is hurting Trump.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Republicans that are on a smear campaign. Just saying ...
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)pResident.
He is arrogant. He does think too highly of himself. Apparently he was bullied as a child and adolescent and I think that probably informs some of his savior complex. He relished being morally superior to Trump instead of using cunning, guile, and discipline to nail that f*&ker to the wall. He thought himself superior to Hillary as well.
Apparently Rosenstein couldn't stand him either, but was a lot smarter. He did what he needed to do (make Trump think he was getting what he wanted -- Comey fired so the investigation would end) and appointed the single-best prosecutor this country has (Mueller).
Rosenstein is going to go down as the other patriot (after Mueller) in this sordid saga.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)The Bradley effect is real.
BootinUp
(47,179 posts)califootman
(120 posts)Not that I want to completely absolve him, but didn't it go something like this:
1. When he closed the original investigation, he told Congress he would let them know if new information came out relevant to the investigation.
2. New info came from, I believe, the NY FBI office (thanks, Anthony Weiner!).
3. Comey, as he said he would, reported that to Congress.
4. Chaffetz (and probably some other Repubs) blabbed that to the world.
Basically, he kept to his word. He did what he said he would do. You could argue that maybe he should have held off on informing Congress until after they had reviewed all the emails, but what if they had found something in them and then Congress found out that he hadn't informed them in a timely manner?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/hillary-clinton-book-best-passages-and-quotes-242608
califootman
(120 posts)He told Congress, as he said he would. Chaffetz went public with it.
Again, I don't think Comey is completely without blame here. As mentioned above, he seemed to have some sort of savior-complex during this affair. He may have made the wrong choice, but it wasn't by any means a cut and dried choice. It was a tough ethical situation, and I don't think he acted with malice in making his decision.
The major asshats in the whole debacle were more likely Weiner, Chaffetz, and the "Anti-Hillary Fan Club" at the NY FBI Office. Any of them could have broken the chain of events, and in my opinion should be held more culpable.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)califootman
(120 posts)If that's the case, I would say she's correct.
If she's blaming him for an "unusually public airing" when the new emails were found, I feel she's placing the blame incorrectly. Chaffetz is the one who went public then.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)He should have never made political comments close to an election.
If he needed to talk, he should have mentioned that trump was under investigation.
The fact that he could not keep quiet about Hillary, but didn't mention trump clearly shows what his agenda was.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)the reasoning behind that disclosure...like the report to Congress was protocol, but the leak by Congress was the issue. I think Rudy was up to his ass with this one....seeing as how it all came about because of Weiner, the NY feds, and emails.
still_one
(92,372 posts)in the WH, and by some accounts what did Comey was in violation of the Hatch Act.
Comey is no hero, and has brought the country to where it is today
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Won't soon forget what he did to Hillary.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I said, on the day that his letter came out, that he has just cost Hillary the election. If it was clear to me even then, how could he have been so naive not to see it?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Ninga
(8,277 posts)review? Why? Huh?
I want to hear from Comey the truth.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Frankly think that he and his NY Fed cabal manipulated Comey.
Yorkist
(59 posts).......is inevitable, as is blaming the Russians or Zuckerberg or Fox or any other facet of the campaign where you can see votes were lost, but it's also just a little too convenient for other people - including HRC herself - who need to shoulder some blame.
The media, just as with Brexit over here, blew there role completely - by only seeing what they wanted to see, and failing to recognise it was even close until we'd all seen their mistake unravel on live TV.
But the electorate themselves have to, ultimately, carry the can, right ?
A lot of people chose to stay at home and not vote because Clinton wasn't Sanders, or because she's a woman, or because she's imperfect, or because for years they've been fed the horseshit that all politicians are 'the same anyway' and a lot more stayed at home because they thought it was in the bag and not worth the effort.
Trump is President because of the electorate, more than "because Comey" or any other factor.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)There were a dozen things that fucked the people out of getting the President they voted for. Comey was in the top three.
The electorate chose Hillary by over three million votes.
But please proceed....
kentuck
(111,110 posts)With the bureaus probity questioned by Gohmert and others, Comey sprang to the defense. You can call us wrong, he said, but dont call us weasels. We are not weasels. We are honest people and . . . whether or not you agree with the result, this was done the way you would want it to be done.
Agreeing to appear in front of the House Judiciary Committee about the investigation was yet another mistake, many believe, forcing Comey to answer questions he normally wouldnt have. Lamar Smith (Republican, Texas) asked him if hed reopen the case if he found new information. Its hard for me to answer in the abstract, said Comey, who was under oath. We would certainly look at any new and substantial information.
....more
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2018, 12:29 AM - Edit history (2)
The fawning ove Comey on hoist site is sickening. The man has no integrity, acted in a partisan way, and knowingly intervened in a presidential race to help one side win.
He should never be forgiven for this.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Such as race-based voter suppression, Russian interference, fake news, Comey's last minute announcement, and a pathetic mainstream media (that promotes false equivalencies and shies away from identifying facts, while treating all statements as equally valid opinions in the name of some warped sense of fairness).
honest.abe
(8,684 posts)to sway the election. I think he was feeling pressured by Republicans and thought that statement about reopening the investigation was the right thing to do given the circumstances. I think he had no idea that would result in a President Trump.
Ninga
(8,277 posts)he has new info?
The term "rush to judgement" has taken on a whole new meaning.
honest.abe
(8,684 posts)I am sure he wished he had that to do over again.
Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...we know the full extent of Republicans working behind-the-scenes. I think they manipulated him... pushed him out with those news conferences... they had someone inside, maybe through Ghoulanni. They had stories about "Hilary indictment" coming soon... at one point, FOX "News" reported the indictment. They would have released their own version of these stories... So, while he's responsible, there are bigger players.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)What are you talking about?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The one I posted here came from Kyle Griffin's twitter feed. He is the producer of The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC.
Link to tweet
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)John1956PA
(2,656 posts)I have always considered the question of whether a word has been used properly as a question pertaining to semantics rather than grammar. However, I read that "grammar" is defined to include proper word usage.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)However, I would argue that such things can change over time and what was incorrect usage once can later become OK.
John1956PA
(2,656 posts)From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change:
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)started that shocking, weird oscillation as ignorant people were flooded with domestic disinformation and Russian deza against Hillary and other Democrats. Comey knew what was happening far, far more than most people because the FBI knew the Russians were involved and was monitoring them and other influences, just like other experts.
On October 30, FBI Assistant Director McCabe's already-given interview sabotaging the Democratic Party was published in the WSJ.
There was so much for months in the same pattern, all punching one direction--against Democrats. Just for instance, on October 17, 2016, the FBI released a bunch of documents, in the process referring to a state department group as "the shadow government," tying in, of course, to a major right wing conspiracy.
On November 1 the FBI announced closure of a 16-year-old investigation into a pardon Bill Clinton had given and released documents from the investigation itself.
All of this was shocking violation of the FBI's longstanding policy to not do anything that could influence elections within 90 days of voting. No doubt there's more.
As for all the months before, WHY didn't the DNC know the Kremlin was inside its computers for weeks while the FBI monitored? That's just one thing among many.
Comey's not merely a jackass, he's a traitor.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Jackass was an understatement.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)"All of this was shocking violation of the FBI's longstanding policy to not do anything that could influence elections within 90 days of voting.'.
That alone negates all the absurd excuses posted here in order to exonerate him.
My, we are now supposed to believe he did it to help Hillary!
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)this is about. Regardless of how we feel about Comey and Hillary, we should consider whether his words about Trump are true and I thin they are. Let's not give Trump a victory.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,455 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Sadly, that is not how we elect presidents.
Here's what I meant:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/hillary-clinton-book-best-passages-and-quotes-242608
LuckyCharms
(17,455 posts)of votes in key states which therefore caused her to lose the election and no other factors came into play in this loss?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's like a referee calling a foul improperly at the end of a basketball game that leads to the winning free throws being made with a few seconds left. Obviously there were a plethora of factors that got the game to that point, but that bad call by the ref was a prominent factor that one would informally say cost the losing team the victory.
elocs
(22,597 posts)that was completely within their power to do that had nothing to do with Comey or the Russians: get out and vote everywhere for the one and only person who could have stopped Trump from becoming president. Instead, many hundreds of thousands chose not to vote at all and millions voted for a third party (and that makes Republicans rejoice).
Ultimately it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend and right now in April of 2018, Comey is our friend. The presidential election of 2016 is history and many are now free to lament and regret their choice or non-choice, but Comey and his book can hurt Trump to some degree right now and that's a good thing.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)elocs
(22,597 posts)If Clinton had won the presidency by winning the electoral vote but losing the popular vote then nobody here would be saying a word about it, would they?
Anybody who is hurting your enemy is your friend at that moment, that's just common sense.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)who will bring trump down is quite amusing.
Comey is in this for Comey. He wants to make money from his book and will say whatever it takes to promote it.
Get ready for a huge letdown
elocs
(22,597 posts)just as he was only a piece of the picture that hurt Clinton in the election.
Every presidential election campaign should have some ammunition to counter a pre-election day surprise but the Clinton campaign had nothing in reserve. Her campaign was run like she couldn't possibly lose to somebody like Trump to trying not to lose at the end.
Frankly the expectations here are running so high that if it doesn't end up with Trump in pinstripes there will be a huge letdown. I remember Fitzmas and all of the gloating about how Bush and Cheney were going to be frog-marched to The Hague. Never happened.
Trump may well serve out his term and then decide not to run again, declaring his presidency to be the most beautiful and successful presidency in history.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...than she does on a rehashing of his role in the election.
There's absolutely nothing of value that's going to come from replaying that election.
There are, however, myriad reasons to support Comey in his defenses against Trump's firing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)A contrast with the naked hypocrisy of the GOP.
(I recognize you asked a different poster, not me - I hope they respond also)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Ralph Waldo Emerson
P.S. I don't believe you are bigtree.
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)Are you saying the Comey saga is nuanced and more complicated than empty bumper sticker slogans and poorly thought out hot takes?
Your Waiter Tonight
(35 posts)And I shall always blame him for the Trump Abomination.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Regardless of the Hillary situation..., he is key to Trump's obstruction so I won't play the GOP game and condemn Comey when he is surely going to show the world what Trump did...obstruction. I won't join in the Republican effort(and apparently even some Dems) to discredit Comey...not to say I approve of the Hillary situation, but that ship has sailed
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Does the GOP or the Democrats benefit from bashing James Comey right now ?
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)The GOP wants to discredit the book to defend Trump...it presents from what I can see a clear case for obstruction so as when Trump fired Comey, he and the GOP are hoping that Democrats will join in the Fray against Comey and thus discredit him as a witness as well as in terms of the information in the book. I fail to see why a Democrat would write this post and join with the Republican in an attempt to discredit a potential witness against Trump. I hope the book is a huge success and dumpy pulls what is left of his fake hair out when he realizes that his plan and the GOP plan didn't work.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What Comey did with respect to HRC was awful.
That the GOP is pretending to give a crap about that is preposterous beyond belief.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Prob none...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She talks about that in her book.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Maeve
(42,287 posts)His errors in judgment helped push this country into the hot mess we have now (I have family that felt they could not vote for Hillary after his trashing of her over the e-mail crap even while saying she did nothing illegal)
He could have shut up, gone along to get along...but the same stubborn self-important streak that made him think he was the final arbitor of Hillary's behavior made him fight back against pressure from the Orange Harangutan. And now he might manage to redeem himself somewhat (notice the qualifier, please) and help end the trumpster-fire he helped light. History will judge him; I'm not willig to do so until it all plays out. I will trust his observations and reports, but not his self-examinations. (I think he can be a fair witness to events, but not of his own motivations)
Orsino
(37,428 posts)And there were far too many thumbs on scales for us to claim that any one caused the "loss."
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)in drumpf being elected. Comey has/will be a big contributor in drumpf's demise and removal from the Oval Office. Time to move on!
IronLionZion
(45,516 posts)it sucks to be him in that situation
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Comey wrote a confidential letter to the intelligence committee, Jason Chaffetz lied in a tweet about the letter, saying it meant that the Clinton e-mail investigation was "being reopened".
oberliner
(58,724 posts)that could be relevant.
Both investigations were open, but he only commented on one (the Hillary investigation, not the Trump investigation).
Sen. Leahy made this point in the hearing.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...the rapid switch on this place to one of forgiveness for Comey, who had a major, direct impact on the election results while still continuing to lambaste and blame and spew hatred for.....let's just say other folks.....for much less or much less tangible or provable impacts on her loss is just hypocrisy at it's finest.
radical noodle
(8,012 posts)who is overly judgmental and harsh. Even considering that the words he used to describe trump, even if overly dramatic, are close to right... trump is a liar and they are like a crime family.
I will buy the book just to help get under trump's thin skin.
LisaM
(27,827 posts)and to the media. Frankly, it was one of the few things anyone could use against her (even though it was ridiculous), so it came up over and over again, while Trump's vast array of real crimes went mostly unremarked on.
I'll never, ever, get it. And I won't forgive the media for harping on it during the campaign and for what they tried to pass off as "debates".