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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:53 AM

sinkingfeeling (40,397 posts)

"Is curing patients a sustainable business model?" Goldman Sachs analysts ask

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/curing-disease-not-a-sustainable-business-model-goldman-sachs-analysts-say/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

One-shot cures for diseases are not great for business—more specifically, they’re bad for longterm profits—Goldman Sachs analysts noted in an April 10 report for biotech clients, first reported by CNBC.

The potential to deliver “one shot cures” is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically engineered cell therapy, and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies... While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow.

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"Is curing patients a sustainable business model?" Goldman Sachs analysts ask (Original post)	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2018	OP
Talk about cold and callous.	marble falls	Apr 2018	#1
I've suspected that was the game plan for years. Curing a disease cuts off the revenue.	shraby	Apr 2018	#2
If that kind of thinking were carried to the max...	Girard442	Apr 2018	#3
Utilitarianism at its worst	ismnotwasm	Apr 2018	#4
It's definitely not	oberliner	Apr 2018	#5
No worries. They'll just charge $500,000 for one-shot cures.	fleur-de-lisa	Apr 2018	#6
When extremely wealthy people get cancer	FakeNoose	Apr 2018	#7
Germany can cure all cancers?	PoindexterOglethorpe	Apr 2018	#15
ain't free market capitalism grand.....	AJT	Apr 2018	#8
Yup, capitalism at it's finest...err worst	Farmer-Rick	Apr 2018	#12
Perfectly logical in a capitalist system	Cal Carpenter	Apr 2018	#9
Prevention is the best answer...better than a one shot cure. I recommend the movie "What The	c-rational	Apr 2018	#10
I think that depends on how much the "one shot cure" costs and whether people can afford it,	Hoyt	Apr 2018	#11
Already a great example	exboyfil	Apr 2018	#13
The analysis isn't the problem.	unblock	Apr 2018	#14
This is why the free market should NOT be trusted with health care. nt	Binkie The Clown	Apr 2018	#16

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:55 AM

marble falls (25,591 posts)

1. Talk about cold and callous.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:56 AM

shraby (21,946 posts)

2. I've suspected that was the game plan for years. Curing a disease cuts off the revenue.

Treating ad infinitum is very profitable indeed.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:56 AM

Girard442 (3,667 posts)

3. If that kind of thinking were carried to the max...

...the drug companies would be churning out tons products that it would be nearly impossibe to stop taking. But they wouldn't do that, right?

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:56 AM

ismnotwasm (37,528 posts)

4. Utilitarianism at its worst

Like this study by Phillip Morris back in the day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/18/news/tobacco-giants-analysis-says-premature-deaths-cut-costs-in-pensions-and.html

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:57 AM

oberliner (58,724 posts)

5. It's definitely not

Much better to provide a medication that they have to take for the rest of their lives.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:57 AM

fleur-de-lisa (8,240 posts)

6. No worries. They'll just charge $500,000 for one-shot cures.

Those of us who cannot afford it can just fuck off and die.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:00 AM

FakeNoose (13,121 posts)

7. When extremely wealthy people get cancer

...they go to Germany and get cured.

Just sayin'

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:48 AM

PoindexterOglethorpe (11,505 posts)

15. Germany can cure all cancers?

Huh. Wonder why I never heard of that before.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:01 AM

AJT (4,466 posts)

8. ain't free market capitalism grand.....

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:27 AM

Farmer-Rick (3,859 posts)

12. Yup, capitalism at it's finest...err worst

In a way, all doctors and pharmaceutical corporations are abject failures because they have yet to cure death.

The whole purpose of seeing doctors and taking medicine is to put off dying for a little while longer. But in the end we all die and doctors and pharmaceutical corporations are total failures. Just think how much money they could get from us if they kept us alive forever.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:03 AM

Cal Carpenter (4,449 posts)

9. Perfectly logical in a capitalist system

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:13 AM

c-rational (685 posts)

10. Prevention is the best answer...better than a one shot cure. I recommend the movie "What The

Health" on Netflicks.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:20 AM

Hoyt (40,545 posts)

11. I think that depends on how much the "one shot cure" costs and whether people can afford it,

whether paying out-of-pocket, through an insurance company, or through single payer if we ever get there.

I guarantee a "one shot cure" for diabetes or cancer would be worth trillions. Not sure that will ever be accomplished, but the cure would be worth a ton, especially in terms of lives saved and savings in future health care expenditures.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:30 AM

exboyfil (12,049 posts)

13. Already a great example

The cure for blindness. $850K.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/03/spark-therapeutics-luxturna-gene-therapy-will-cost-about-850000.html

That is the reason why we need a rigorous public sector drug research program.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:30 AM

unblock (43,653 posts)

14. The analysis isn't the problem.

It is what it is given the system we have. Really, this is just explaining the situation.

The problem lies in the ethical and policy conclusions. Do we alter our system to encourage long-term cures? Or do we deem it acceptable for health businesses to seek less-effective but more profitable treatments?

It's what we do with this sort of analysis that matters.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018, 12:12 PM

Binkie The Clown (5,289 posts)

16. This is why the free market should NOT be trusted with health care. nt

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