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Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:13 PM

Nina Turner: Americans Should Be Concerned About Cohen FBI Raid Going Too Far

Americans Should Be Concerned About Cohen FBI Raid Going Too Far, Fmr Dem Lawmaker Says

Civil rights activist and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner said Sunday on CNNís State of the Union that Americans should have ďsome concernĒ about how the FBI is running its probe into Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.

It wasnít the most enthusiastic defense of Cohen, but worth pointing out since Turner is a Democrat and a Bernie Sanders ally. Host Jake Tapper asked her about what she thought about the FBIís raid on Cohen last Monday. She said it concerned her a ďlittleĒ and it remained to be seen if there were any abuses, but, she added, ďcertainly, throughout the history of this country, especially where it comes to African-American folks, I mean, Black Panthers, Dr. King, Malcolm X, and other civil rights freedom fighters. You can see that sometimes the government can go too far in its effort and be skewed one way.Ē

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/americans-should-be-concerned-about-cohen-fbi-raid-going-too-far-says-fmr-dem-lawmaker/

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Reply Nina Turner: Americans Should Be Concerned About Cohen FBI Raid Going Too Far (Original post)
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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:17 PM

1. Americans should ignore Nina Turner.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:24 PM

7. Yup.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:39 PM

76. She is practicing fox news style sensationalism.

She wants attention NOW.

OH..Dry up Nina ...you are no one

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:49 PM

81. Truth

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:43 AM

129. +1000

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:18 PM

2. ffs, this is incoherent babble! Her false equivalencies

are truly insulting. Comparing civil rights icons to a sleazeball lawyer protecting a racist mob boss who all colluded with a foreign power to undermine our Democracy. Címon! Make this stop. It is truly self-serving, sniveling, incoherent tripe. Embarrassing.

edit-this is the length she will go through to deny that Hillary was screwed over and to ignore the Mueller investigation. She will not deal with reality.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:30 PM

13. Its not really a false equivalency

Because hereís the second half of the quote:

ďNow thatís not to say that the Cohen incident is parallel to that, but as American citizens, we should have some concern for how this goes, even if itís against somebody we donít likeÖitís not about like or dislike, itís about how we operate as a government.Ē

She specifically said that they werenít equivalent, while reminding us that the FBI doesnít have a good track record.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:36 PM

19. Please. It is totally incoherent. She obviously has no

CONCERN for the subject matter that they are all speaking to. Letís not waste time pretending we donít know why Cohen is under investigation.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:11 PM

28. Hes under investigation for his Trumpco qualifications:

Heís a crook. Thatís the only thing that needs to be on the resume.

But that doesnít make the FBI, which is obviously doing multiple investigations and securing multiple guilty pleas, the friend of liberals. The FBI has a long history of doing shady, anti-democratic bullshit, going back as far as MLK and as recently as sending undercover agents to infiltrate the Quakers.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:16 PM

31. You can waste your time parroting Trumps CONCERNS

about the FBI, but now youíre really off on a tangent. The Russia /Trump investigation is very real. You should read about it because itís not going away.

This is an unprecedented time in our nationís history. Thank God there are some true Patriots left, FBI or otherwise to put these traitors away.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #31)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:38 PM

37. I literally called Trump and Cohen crooks

In the post you were responding to. The fact that they are crooks and the fact that the FBI is investigating them for being crooks does not make the FBI the friend of liberals, Democrats, or democracy.

Itís not a binary choice.

Take former FBI director James Comey, for instance. Thatís a guy who threw the election in Trumpís favor because of his long-running hatred of the Clintons, going back to when he couldnít find any wrongdoing when he was part of the Whitewater investigation. James Comey isnít some noble patriot. Heís a piece of shit Republican who threw the election so he could get a Republican elected. His buyerís remorse doesnít make him less of a piece of shit.

Maybe you should read something about the history of the FBI?

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:55 PM

43. This is very contrived. Im certainly not going to be a CONCERN

troll for Trumpís sleazeball lawyer.

You are still on a tangent. I understand there is a huge chasm of denial from those who canít accept that Hillary was screwed over because the Russianís helped both Trump and Bernie. You should stick to the facts of this case. It is unprecedented.

Oh, and one of these does not belong in any analogy:
Martin Luther King
Malcolm X
Michael Cohen, sleazebag lawyer to a white racist mafia boss

Which one...hmmm.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:14 PM

30. Excellent points.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:20 PM

51. She is a traitor to progressives to give aid and comfort to Trump. screw Nina.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:36 PM

151. "I dislike cherry pie. Really do dislike it. Not to my taste. But I do like all food."

It's kinda cute she created a narrative predicated wholly on a false-equivalency, followed by the simplistic allegation it's not a false-equivalency.

It's as invalid as saying "I dislike cherry pie. Really do dislike it. Not to my taste. But I do like all food."

(I know, I know... food doesn't really have a good track record and we should be suspicious of food's real agenda...)

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:50 PM

23. The laws have to protect everyone equally.

If we need them to protect civil rights icons, they also must protect sleazeball lawyers. That's the way it works.

(I'm not making an assessment on the merits of this particular search warrant - just on your dismissal of the concern of FBI/police overreach being a false equivalency. It's not. The law MUST function equally for all, or it can be be used at a whim against whoever out of favor with those in power.)

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:57 PM

25. It is a total false equivalency. Her statement is ignorant

of the facts regarding Cohen. This is ridiculous to waste time trying to defend her obvious ignorance of the subject matter.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:11 PM

27. I was responding to your dismissal based on the character of the individuals involved -

and your characterization of it as a false equivalency again, based on the character of the individuals involved.

I have no problem at all with anyone who looks at the facts and reaches the conclusion that the searches were justified in the case of Cohen and not in the case of civil rights icons. But to distinguish the two based on character makes a mockery of the laws that must work equally for everyone (sleazeball or icon) to protect us all.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #27)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:23 PM

34. If the FBI had developed information that the guy is crooked, raiding him is legitimate.

Lots of people get watched by police, few get raided. Yes, the FBI was a political tool during the past, but the agency is largely above board now, that does not say that on occasion it does not screw up. I don't think what is happening to Cohen is a screwup.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #27)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:21 AM

132. You have no facts backing up your claims

You may want to read up on the issues and try to understand the concepts being discussed. Facts are good things. You should consider using facts in your posts

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:51 PM

42. The point is that she was connecting Cohen

to African American freedom fighters -- subtly linking him to that positive image.

That wasn't accidental.

No one is suggesting that the laws shouldn't protect everyone equally. From all reports, the FBI had to meet a very high standard in the Cohen raids -- and did. Nina Turner shouldn't be comparing him to freedom fighters who WERE treated unfairly.

I think Turner is a troll.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:17 PM

49. Nina Turner is a troll no doubt in my mind..

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Response to Cha (Reply #49)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:40 PM

56. Yeah, they haven't admitted a mistake because their actions were deliberate. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #56)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:43 PM

78. Exactly, pnwmom..


Neener Neener, Nian

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Response to Cha (Reply #49)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:15 PM

87. 👍

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #87)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:32 PM

89. I'll raise you one..

👍👍

Mahalo, redstateblues

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Response to Cha (Reply #49)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:20 PM

150. "Jill Stein,NINA TURNER, Cornel West, Susan Sarandon, Killer Mike".

All should have a prominent place in the DU rogue's gallery. The Democratic Party should regard them as if they were radio active.

Thanks Cha, for the reminder on these people who cannot be relied upon in getting across the Democratic Party message.




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Response to oasis (Reply #150)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:28 PM

153. All they can be relied on is

to Try and RF an election with their LIES.

oasis

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:58 PM

62. Anyone here who dismisses concerns about the warrants

based on the character of the target (sleazebag v. civil rights icon) is saying exactly that.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #62)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:03 PM

64. I don't think that's what the poster was doing. The poster was objecting to her

bringing up civil rights icons in any discussion of Michael Cohen.

S/he wasn't objecting to a discussion of whether the FBI protected Cohen's rights as an American. Just to Turner's linking him in people's minds specifically to the freedom fighters.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #64)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:22 PM

72. Raising the freedom fighters as an example of when the FBI overstepped its bounds

is a perfectly reasonable reminder that the FBI's intrusion into private lives is not always honorable or in accordance with respect for the rights of individuals. It is only examples like that that are likely to remind liberals of the FBI's sketchy past as to respecting individual rights.

It doesn't mean the character of Cohen is an equivalent to that of the freedom fighters - but their rights to be free from unreasonable government intrusion are equivalent.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #72)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:25 PM

74. Technically, it doesn't mean that. But knowing Nina Turner and her past actions,

I'm sure that the true purpose was to gain sympathy for Cohen by linking him with the freedom fighters.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #72)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 09:11 AM

108. It is no such thing.

Nina Turner is performing the classic concern troll and nothing more.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:46 PM

156. Again you are wrong

Judge Kimba Wood had validated the procedures used in this case

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #156)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 11:13 PM

158. Judge Wood is a District Court judge.

Not a justice on the Supreme Court, and not even an appellate judge.

I am not saying the procedures were incorrect - or even that the outcome would necessarily be different on appeal.

My point is that this is the beginning of the process, not the final outcome. It is relatively common for search warrants to be found invalid on appeal - and that progressives (who are often the target of an overreaching government) - ought to be attentive to the possibility that such overreaches are not limited to those targeted at us.

So no, I'm not wrong.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #158)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 04:28 AM

159. You are still comoletely and utterly wrong

Judge Kimba Wood is an amazing person and one of the top judges in the country. The DOJ has specific policies and procedures in place and these policies were followed. Ayout vague concerns based on the rant of that complete ifiot, Nina Turner, are without merit in the real world.

I am a lawyer snd I am satisfied with the DOJ procedures the fact that you are not satisfieddue to some strange reasons does not carry any weight in the real world. Cohen was not complying with DOJ requests and so the searches were proper

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #62)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:40 AM

122. You seem to be very invested in your own misinterpretations.

Just because Nina Turner supported Bernie doesnít mean we canít address her lack of credibility. You seem to be deliberately commingling words to come to a different conclusion ó one that happens to be very CONCERNED about Donald Trumpís lawyer, which is rather odd, actually.

Itís the same oddness coming from Nina Turner. What I was saying is that Nina Turner was ignorant of the facts of the Cohen conservation at hand. She was oddly not speaking to that, but instead making bizarre contrasts with civil rights icons. I really doubt I have to over explain why Americans like MLK and Malcolm X were targeted...

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #122)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:54 AM

124. There's a lot of poor reading comprehension going on here.

Please point to a single post I have ever made (this conversation, or any other) in which I expressed support for Tina Turner (the person or politician).

I am acknowledging a concern that virtually everyone on this board would have united with had a similar search warrant been executed against Hillary Clinton. The target of the concern can't dictate whether the actions are a concern because either the laws protect all of us or none of us.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #124)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:12 AM

127. Same to you, because it is you who is deliberately

mischaracterizing the points at hand. You are outright implying that the FBI overreached with Cohen because MLK and Malcolm X were targeted. What?! Does Nina think we are that stupid? That is just a phony way to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the Russia investigation and we all know why she would do that...

We all know why MLK and Malcolm X were targeted, and it wasnít because they were working with a hostile foreign government to destroy our Democracy or because they had a lawyer on retainer to force porn stars into silence with non-disclosure agreements now considered to be in-kind campaign contributions. No. That is not why MLK and Malcolm X were targeted...

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #124)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:30 AM

133. Cohen had been subpoened and faile to produce documents the FBI knew cohen had

The proper procedures were followed in the real world. Your vague concerns do no stand up to scrutiny in the real world

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:16 PM

48. I dismiss it entirely. You have to have compelling evidence in order to get such a warrant...and

Nina Turner hates Democrats so much she would support Trump as she did on CNN. She echoes the GOP. People have to stop considering her as being on our side as she is not. She is a despicable person who has said she would support Republicans as OR candidates.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #48)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:42 PM

57. This has nothing to do with Nina Turner,

The issue I responded to was whether the character of the people involved made it a false equivalence.

My family, and and organization I was on the national governing body during part of the surveilled time, have been the subject of FBI surveillance. That surveillance did not rise to the level of search warrants (at least not personally), but it did involve FBI infiltration of the organization and the FBI has been known to overstep its bounds as to people it believes are enemies of the state.

In order to ensure our civil rights and privacy rights are protected, the laws must protect everyone equally. If we overlook violation of the law when the target is a sleezebag, we will be unable to enforce it when it is a civil rights icon.

My response had nothing to do with anything Nina Turner said, who she is aligned with, or the specific merits of the case. I was solely addressing the assertion that it was a false equivalence to compare a sleezebag attorney with a civil rights icon. As to the operation of search warrants and FBI surveillance, we cannot afford to decide whether we care or not based on the personality of the person charged - or the person whose rights may be being violated.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #57)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:19 PM

71. It has everything to do with Nina Turner because she was the one who decided

to link in people's minds Michael Cohen and African American freedom fighters -- though from all reports Cohen's rights were scrupulously guarded, unlike those of the freedom fighters.

That is why it is a false equivalence, not because of the character of the people involved.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #71)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:34 PM

75. You have reviewed everything,

including decisions not yet issued reviewing the matter - and know that his rights were scrupulously protected?

I find it exceedingly odd that a reminder that the FBI, which has not always been worshiped by progressives, doesn't always play by the rules is an offensive concept because of who reminded us of their history.

The concern I raised had nothing to do with Turner. My concern is limited solely to the point I responded to - that the character of the target of FBI investigations determines whether we believe their rights were violated (or that we should care about it).

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #75)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:49 PM

82. I read about the hearing presided over by Judge Kimba Wood,

and it seems that every effort has been made to protect Cohen's rights.

If for no other reason, I believe any prosecutor in Robert Mueller's position would follow the letter of the law in order to protect the case on appeal. The Trump supporters in the judiciary and Congress will be looking for any hole in Mueller's case. He won't want to give it to them.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #75)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:03 AM

125. More very deliberate misinterpretations...

How absurd to claim that you are so very concerned about Cohenís rights being violated, just like Martin Luther Kingís right were violated. Huh?! That is the exact long walk Nina Turner wanted to take us on and we all know why.

It never should have been a ďreminderĒ about black civil rights leaders because we all know why they were harassedóright? What a shameful and transparent manipulation. And I didnít say that sleazeballs have no rights. Give me a break.

Sorry, but hiding behind some attempts to delegitimize the Russia investigations to support one politician is still very transparent. Nina was not speaking to the conversation at hand. She was ignorant of the facts about Cohen on that show.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #57)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:02 PM

85. I agree about the false comparison...

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:33 PM

53. The DOJ followed the correct procedure

Tina's rant ignores the facts of this case

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:50 PM

58. You know all of the details,

including the results to any future court challenges to the validity of the warrant?

The linked here doesn't sound to me like a rant, nor does it attack the DOJ for not following the correct procedure. What I hear her saying - which is a legitimate concern - is that when there is the execution of a search warrant this extreme, even if we don't like the target, we ought to be sure it is a legitimate exercise of power - given the history of abuse of power by the FBI and other governmental entities.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #58)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:24 PM

97. I am a lawyer and i have been following this closely

The DOJ has a manual on search warrants on attorneys including the use of a taint team. I have posted links to this manual

Nina Turner is an idiot who is out to hurt the party. Her rant indicates that she has no idea as to the procedure being used. You are welcome to defend this idiot. I am amused that any real Democrat would defend turner. The fact that you think that turner's rant make sense is sad to me.

I have posted a link to the DOJ manual earlier. I have read the manual and it appears that contrary to the rant of a non democrat, the DOJ followed the correct policy

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #97)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:15 PM

113. The issue raised wasn't whether the correct policy was followed

it is the reality that the government has not always respected the rights of individuals EVEN when following the correct policy.

Nothing at all to do with who raised the concern. I don't care it it was Turner of the man in the moon. It is good self-protection to remember the past and not fall all over compliance with policy (which compliance has not been reviewed by a higher court) just because we like the results this time.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #113)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:28 PM

117. Turner's analysis is non existant and a joke

Nina has no accomplishments in the real world bthis article confirmed that Nina is an idiot

Why are you defendibg a non democrat

I trust Judge Wood but I am a lawyer and understand the concepts being discussed

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #117)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:41 AM

134. Not the first time Turner has come out with some absurd comment meant to harm the party.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #134)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:22 PM

137. Turner hates the Democratic Party

The Our Revolution group are compsed of non democrats who hate the party

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #137)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:23 PM

138. Talk about a bad time to hate our party, nazis are in the WH

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #137)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 09:49 AM

147. Is Nina Turner still shielded by DU rules? Personally...

... I can't see ANY evidence that she's any sort of "ally".

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #113)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:01 PM

136. Nina is full of it with her phony concern about the FBI.

Reality is that it was Hillary who was actually damaged by FBI meddling and overreach, but Nina is silent about that actual event. Instead she manufactures some contrived offense against Trumpís lawyer and goes off on a tangent.

Ignoring actual FBI wrongdoing against Hillary and making up some offense against Trumpís lawyer means she was just trolling. She is not a serious person.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #58)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:55 PM

99. BTW did you even read Turner"s rant

Read it. Turner admits that she is totally ignorant onbthe facts but whines about the FBI being bad in the past. Turner is ignorant as to the procedures used by the DOJ

Again turner is an idiot

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #99)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:18 PM

114. You're fixated on Turner.

The concern has nothing to do with raised it.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #114)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:23 PM

115. Judge Kimba Wood validated the procedures used by the DOJ

I read nina's article and that article confirmed that Nina is an idiot without any accomplishments in the real world

I have read the DOJ manual and the prodeures in this manual are approptiate

Why are you defending a non democrat?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #115)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:56 PM

118. Good on Judge Kimba Wood! Turner is WRONG.. shocking

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:04 PM

111. Judge Kimba Woods confirmed that the DOJ followed proper procedure

Nina Turner is an idiot

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #111)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:09 AM

126. Following proper procedure does not necessarily preclude overreach.

How about you lose the fixation on Turner. My comments have absolutely nothing to do with Turner.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #126)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:09 AM

131. Do you tire of being wrong?

Judge Kimba Wood is one of the top judges on this bench. She was satisfied that the DOJ did everything correctly

Why are you defending a non Democrat idiot like Nina Turner.? The article cited in OP showed how stupid this idiot is?

You are welcomed to listen this idiot. I am a lawyer and I have been following this case closely. The DoJ acted properly. The fact that you have concerns amuses me but your claims do not stand up in the real world

I checked JPR and the idiots who post on that board may share your and that idiot Nina Turner's concerns. While the non democrats on JPR may "have concerns"' those posters are not real democrats and I disagree with these so called concerns.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #58)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:49 AM

123. Really?! It was a round table discussion on a Sunday

news show! You donít have to be some Ivory Tower type to appear on those shows or some Ivy League lawyer. It is just a Sunday show.

Now you are really off on a tangent, same as Nina Turner was. All this does is confirm the biases against the Russia investigation. She had no problem maligning Hillary with no proof whatsoever, so her newfound patriotism over the rule of law is beyond absurd. She had no info about the case at hand on that Sunday show, just shiny distractions to cast doubt. She was completely incoherent for what was being discussed.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:14 PM

46. Nina Turner has gone from being openly skeptical of the Russian investigation



Oh yeah, she's so damn obvious.. everyone who's paying attention can see right through her.



RB

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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:39 PM

55. I would state my full opinion.

I would get a hide.

Let's leave it here, Nina is not a Democratic friend.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #55)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:41 PM

77. So the guy who called me "crooked Hillary" had his office raided by the FBI today


Neener Neener, Nina

she

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Response to Cha (Reply #77)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:49 PM

80. Neener Neerer Nina

Yep!

Hey, Cha,

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #80)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:02 PM

84. It's killing her. Got to pump up those trump poll numbers..





Oh, and I sure has hell don't need Nina Turner to tell me what I should be "concerned" about.

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Response to Cha (Reply #84)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:12 PM

86. A real poll!

Unlike that Harvard Harris internet poll.

Boom.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #86)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:26 PM

88. Si verdad!



And, gallop only does landlines.. so in all probability.. pos trump's "disapproval" is much higher.

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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:39 PM

93. Hey Cha. Great find! Those are great Tweets. She is not

fooling anyone ó just playing to a small core fan base. Pathetic.

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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:18 PM

96. I like "faux-prog frauds" -- good description!

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Response to betsuni (Reply #96)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:37 PM

98. Precisely, betsuni

so true

Kind of a tongue twister, though. Maybe it's just me.

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Response to Cha (Reply #98)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:09 AM

100. True, sounds like something on a French menu.

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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:34 AM

121. +1

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:18 PM

3. Putin Troll

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:15 PM

47. 'Zactly.. useful to trump and corp media..

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:51 PM

59. A despicable Russian troll

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Response to Cary (Reply #59)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:44 AM

135. AT a MINIMUM our party including HERE we MUST expose russian trolls and

EJECT them from the party.

Having said that, I dont want to lose seats.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:20 PM

4. lol wut

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:21 PM

5. I believe we should be concerned about it not going far enough.

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Response to spanone (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:24 PM

6. So True!!!

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:24 PM

8. she must think blacks are pretty stupid if she thinks that load of BS is going to garner

sympathy from them.

this is how the right skews and distorts the information wars. responsible journalism and opinion pieces should not be based on "concern troll" tactics. they should be based on FACTS. Not "the FBI might be abusing its power." Don't tell me that. tell me if they ARE abusing power. Tell me what safeguards are in place to protect our freedoms and tell me if those safeguard were FOLLOWED. THAT is what an informed public needs. There is NOTHING to indicate that the appropriate procedures were not followed and therefor it is IRRESPONSIBLE to imply the public should be worried for the sake of stoking an anti-law sentiment.

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Response to Takket (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:35 PM

18. When Nina talks, black people be like:

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:41 PM

20. No kidding.. Classic! I've seen

"looks" like that on twitter feeds.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:38 PM

36. I certainly hope so! nt

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:25 PM

9. Nina Turner is useful to trump and corp media..

including Tapper.

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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:30 PM

14. The more I see of Tapper the less I like him.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:26 PM

10. Says someone with no law degree and has never even been to law school

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:28 PM

11. I'm always concerned about civil liberties & privacy. But having read the analysis of this event...

absent any contrary evidence, I'm satisfied the FBI executed a lawfully authorized, legally vetted search warrant.

My opinion is subject to change, of course, given additional information, but I don't expect anything like that to arise.

Good of Ms Turner to raise the question, but irrelevant at this time.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:05 PM

65. "Good of Ms. Turner to raise the question."

"But irrelevant at this time."

THIS in the black bolded all night and day.

Her timing is AWFUL.

I can remember a time when she and the late Stephanie Jones-Tubs were a duo out campaigning for Hillary in Ohio in 2008 and all across this country. Yes, there was such a time I mean, she was an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. But here it is 10 years later, and she's just about to go completely over to the "dark side" with that tin-ear, political timing of hers. My friend says that she's now a self-serving, loud mouth singing Me, me, me, I, I, I., and that instead of being so provocative, she needs to keep her mind on the tens of thousands of low-income voters in neighborhoods there in Ohio that vote reliably Democratic which were purged from the voting rolls ahead of the 2016 GE.

Uh, my friend makes some EXCELLENT points.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #65)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 05:12 AM

104. I don't believe her support of Hillary was ever genuine

My guess is that she was jockeying for a position in a Hillary Administration back then.

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Response to dansolo (Reply #104)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:14 AM

143. You'd probably be guessing right. Nina dumped Hillary and hitched on

to Bernie's rising star, a better chance to raise her national profile.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:29 PM

12. Just stop, Nina.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:31 PM

15. I have some concerns as well.

 

They will be worked out in court. At this point it seems to be on solid ground.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:32 PM

16. Oh Lord Ill be glad when shes a historical footnote

So close.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:32 PM

17. Should I be Nina? I'm an American and I am not concerned in the least. Oh well, what cha gonna do?

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:42 PM

21. Their new found concern for "African-American folks" is touching

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:44 PM

22. Cohen is African-American?

Who knew?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:17 PM

33. No shit. She crammed an awful lot of "keywords" into that brief statement

 

She managed to soften Cohen & Trump's blatant disregard for law, and ended up making it about African Americans & since she's no lawyer at all, & now she, like her boss is claiming to be a grand civil rights activist & icon spokesmodel, while disregarding the true lifelong activists like John Lewis everytime she damns the Democratic Party.

She can call herself anything she wants but her realistic creds tell the real story. Nina makes me fking wanna puke.

Hey Nina, there never really was a revolution was there, just a campaign promo to boost your new image makeover.

Talk about word salad.



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Response to Wwcd (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:01 PM

45. Exactly! Word salad is a great description. She was just

throwing out names of historical icons without any context or back-up, just for the cred she thought it bestowed upon her. She obviously canít acknowledge the Russia investigation since they were the beneficiaries. Her comments were really out of place and ignorant of the Cohen case at hand.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:19 PM

50. I read that only a small percentage of money raised has been spent on Campaigns

by OR...so what are they doing with the rest...hmm

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #50)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:55 PM

61. Flying private & first class probably.

 

They've come a long way from their meager beginnings when the Democrats gave them a hand up. They started out as Democrats, then Progressives, or Socialist Progressive Democrats, or just socialists, or Progressive Socialists once they cashed in & the D was removed.

When's the last time Nina & her group ever said a positive thing about the Dems?
.Chirp.

Yet here she & her boss both have made comments that give the fascist Trump credibility

We've always known who they were loyal to.
Its not the Party of All People. The Democratic Party.

They own this distrust.
That is what they set out to accomplish.

They lie.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #61)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:01 PM

83. Excellent post...You are exactly right. She is living the good life on donations and the price of

her new life is to bash Democrats...as long as she does this the money rolls in.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #83)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:38 PM

92. Yup. We saw their truth early on. That has always been "who they are".

 

Good nite to you ❣

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #92)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 06:35 AM

106. I saw this in the morning so I will say Good morning to you!

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #61)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:36 PM

91. Someone posted a link trying to defend her, but it said Bill Clinton

helped her raise money for her secretary of state race in Ohio in 2014. Of course, now sheís making money bad mouthing the Clintons. No one ever calls her on that ó none of them are held accountable for their double standards.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #91)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:48 PM

94. Yes Bill Clinton's endorsement gave her credibility.

 

She has no problem stepping on the backs of people, those great names who have lived in the trenches to make human rights viable & recognized. The people who, thru their lifetime earned their own success.

She uses people.
That's why she is so disliked.

No one trusts someone who does what she does to others.
We all have known of her type, from our school years thru adulthood.
Users.
Backstabbers.

That's Nina's claim to fame.




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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:33 PM

90. Cohen is African-American?

Yep.

He's just lighter lighter-skinded

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:55 PM

24. Well, I'm not. Have a nice day.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:02 PM

26. Nina who?

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:13 PM

29. they colluded with a foreign enemy to get installed into the White House

NOTHING the FBI DOES TO THEM WILL BE GOING TOO FAR

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:17 PM

32. Equating a mob lawyer with civil rights fighters?

That person is off her rocker.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:23 PM

35. Look at ME. I'm Nina the non-lawyer & scraps of a civil rights activist, and I AM ON TV.

 

She sure has some grandiose image of herself.

Wow. Amazing what a mic in the face does to the average person.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:39 PM

38. What's The Matter Nina

Not getting enough attention lately? Seems like none of you people can shut your lips.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:44 PM

39. She is just too weird to be head of anything at all

So back in the day the FBI terrorized civil rights leaders. Yes, that's true. But this current situation is in no way parallel? So why the fuck do you even bring it up? She is nuts nuts nuts. <--- Nina Turner

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:47 PM

40. Well, if anyone still had doubts which side she is REALLY on, this should make it clear.

Comparing Michael Cohen to African American freedom fighters.

Wow.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #40)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:12 PM

68. She is single handedly destroyiny any remaing credibility Our Revolution had.

 

But she's on TV & cashed in bigly.

We all saw your agenda early on, Nina.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:48 PM

41. Well...

...bless her heart.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:56 PM

44. Who?

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:30 PM

52. Who cares what this idiot thinks

Nona Turner is an idiot and no should pay attention to her

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:35 PM

54. She is such a waste of skin.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:52 PM

60. It seems your Nina Turner is quite unpopular

Why do you suppose that might be?

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Response to Cary (Reply #60)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:06 PM

66. This is nothing. Twitter hates her. She has fooled no one with her anti-Dem word salad.

 

She has a credibility rating lower that Trump.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #66)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:08 PM

67. What is it like 1%?

Turner is atrocious. I turn the channel of she is on.

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Response to Cary (Reply #67)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:15 PM

69. Same m.o.as the rest who borrowed the Dem title.

 

"MONEY & MEDIA"

oh ya..btw (there never really was a revolution)

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #69)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:18 PM

70. True

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:02 PM

63. I hope she dries up and blows away on the next malevente.

Give it a rest Nina. You've shown your allegiance to not Democrats.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:25 PM

73. I have nothing nice to say about her.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:48 PM

79. The Jill Stein wing has spoken


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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:14 PM

95. I have some concern that her Nut Revolution is going too far.

The 1960s called and want you to shut up, Nina, also too.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:13 AM

101. Nyet!

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:45 AM

102. When a person does a google search for examples of Non Sequiturs...

Nina Turner examples should be included.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 02:26 AM

103. Translation:

"The FBI did some shady things in the past and even I'm not flat-out saying they're doing it in this case, let me plant that seed of doubt in your mind anyway."

Let's just call these phony progressives what they really are already - Trump supporters. I'm tired of beating around the bush with them.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #103)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 07:59 PM

110. Exactly..

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Response to Cha (Reply #110)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:07 AM

119. Faux-progs (great name, hope it catches on) like Nina Turner

lend credence to the horseshoe theory in politics. They're so far to the left, they're holding hands with the right.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #119)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 12:33 AM

120. They certainly do..

I like it, too.. Fauxprogs has a clear descriptive ring to it.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 06:13 AM

105. LOL

They are trying to drum up sympathy based on this? Where were they when it was "terrorism" or where were they when it was some hapless subject of a warrant not in high places?

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:31 AM

107. I'm always concerned about government possibly going to far. Exhibit A: Donald Trump

In the abstract Turner is right in that government can become over reaching. That's one reason why we declared independence from England. But checks and balances are essential and the courts are a big part of that. Right now I am most concerned about the conspiracy at the heart of Trump's presidency and am grateful that our judicial system still refuses to put Trump above the law.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:09 PM

112. Nina Turner was a very useful tool for Trump.

 

And continues along the same path. Her anti Hillary tirades helped tip the scales for many a Bernie Bros. Those who listened and internalized her message chose not vote for Hillary and many even went so far as to claim Trump may just be the lesson we all needed, to understand what happens when the crowd doesn't vote for Nina's pick. I'll be damned if they aren't doing it again.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:25 PM

116. Planting seeds of doubt and then feeding them with bullshit.

How very Republican like of her.

You attacked the Democratic candidate and supported Jill Stein on the GE, you lost your seat and you're now irrelevant. Just go away already.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 01:59 AM

128. Hey Nina ... STFU.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:59 AM

130. Nina, please FO.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:25 PM

139. Girl, bye.

I'm so sick of her shenanigans. I'd respect her a lot more if she engaged in *helpful* activities to try to stay relevant.

This all about attention and publicity.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:14 AM

140. Mueller indicted Russians, who helped her favorite candidate

 

I understand her negative attitude toward Mueller.

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Response to Upstate One (Reply #140)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:53 AM

141. Our Revolution has a great deal of support from Russian trolls

Go look at JPR if you need proof

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #141)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:00 AM

142. Seriously?

 

Come on now.
I have no clue what JPR is but to say Our Revolution has a lot of support from Russian trolls is pushing the envelope of reality.

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Response to BlueDestiny (Reply #142)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:54 AM

144. Go to Jackpine Radicals

It is a site for bernie bros and Our Revolution types. The number of pro putin and pro russians posts are amazing

Our Revolution want to destroy the Democratic party.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #144)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:16 PM

149. CalExit, Putin...Brexit, Putin. I could list other things that I am CERTAIN are

directly connected to him, to the KGB (I refuse to use their new name), but I wont.

Fact is simple, if it detracts from electing ANY democrat, it AINT from us.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #149)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:17 PM

152. Putin gains when trump and the GOP wins

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Response to BlueDestiny (Reply #142)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 09:27 AM

145. You should become familiar with JPR

 

Enjoy your time here.

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Response to BlueDestiny (Reply #142)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 09:34 AM

146. Seriously. Russia is sowing the seeds of division.

 

Their primary beneficiary was Trump, of course, but they also fluffed the far left. Why do you think Jill Stein was at RT's 120 anniversary, sitting right there with Putin? Why do you think they provided trolls in support of Sanders? And if Nina Turner and "Our Revolution" is seen as a useful tool to sow MORE division (and they surely are seen that way), then you should not be surprised that they will deploy resources to boost her and her message. She is, in the vernacular of the trade, a useful idiot.

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Response to BlueDestiny (Reply #142)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:50 PM

148. It's best not to denigrate posters when you admit you don't know anything about the subject matter

 

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It's always best to ask and educate yourself first, and then come from a place of knowledge.

JPR has a proven track record going back to it's inception. There are also plenty of other sites that rate chat rooms and JPR shows up regularly as one with lies, misinformation and Russian Trolls. Again, look it up.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Reply #148)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:10 PM

154. JPR is also on Prop Or Not's useful idiot list of propaganda websites.

You make good points. As for the rest of it, reality is reality. Skepticism is one thing; gaslighting is ineffective at this point.

http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #154)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:45 PM

155. JPR is full of admitted Russian trolls

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Response to BlueDestiny (Reply #142)

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 09:51 PM

157. "..pushing the envelope of reality"? LOL

Nah.. not.

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