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[Matthew28]

1. This is

like the mob getting to review documents before the fbi looks at them.

This is insane.

[oberliner]

3. That was my thought as well

Seems not quite right.

[underpants]

5. Cohen is Russian Mafia

and yes it is just like that.

[RandySF]

8. Isnt this discovery?

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Where is our DU attorney??? Who cares that they get to REVIEW them as long as they

are supervised, cant destroy any of it and the other side then gets it all.

Better known as yes "discovery"

[underpants]

2. Make sure he doesn't have a lighter on him

[backtoblue]

49. Yup

Wonder how many documents get "lost"

[lindysalsagal]

4. You want it all "by-the-book" so that there can be no appeals, no spin, no belly-aching.

I approve. Plus, it will make 45's head spin all the way off. And it will make Cohen cave.

[Leghorn21]

51. Oh, MY - heads spinning all the way off, people *caving*...?

I’M LOVIN IT!!!!

[AJT]

6. That's a shame. I'm guessing most all of the documents won't see the light of day.

[Poiuyt]

7. Does this mean that Cohen can restrict what the prosecutors can see?

And is Cohen getting the originals or copies?

[RandySF]

9. No

[Squinch]

53. No. Though it would be easy to conclude that from the OP. But no.

[Adrahil]

10. Wait... the NYT doesn;t seem to agree....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/nyregion/michael-cohen-court-hearing.html

[elleng]

13. Was wondering about conflicting headlines.

Will likely take a while for garbled facts to be set out. Legal matters are so DIFFICULT!!!

[grantcart]

14. From your link

A federal judge on Monday rejected an attempt by President Trump and his longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, to block prosecutors in Manhattan from reviewing a trove of materials seized in F.B.I. raids last week on Mr. Cohen’s office, home, hotel room and safe deposit box.

But feeling her way toward a resolution of the clash involving Mr. Trump and prosecutors investigating Mr. Cohen, the judge, Kimba M. Wood, signaled that she was considering appointing a special master to assist prosecutors if and when they cull through documents seized in the raids.

[triron]

17. She also said she want things "moving along".

Sounds like she doesn't want the investigation delayed.

[triron]

11. Not consistent with this:

http://abc7ny.com/politics/judge-denies-restraining-order-over-materials-seized-in-cohen-raid/3349804/

Seems to be opposite.

[madaboutharry]

15. Newsweek needs to hire a more competent headline writer.

[TubbersUK]

16. There's maybe a problem with that reporting - NYT says the opposite

Link to tweet

CJ Hart
@CJ_Hart
Judge Rejects Trump’s Request to Review Seized Cohen Materials via @NYTimes https://nyti.ms/2JP9bj5

[oberliner]

22. This is from The Hill: "Judge rules Cohen can see seized documents before prosecutors"

Michael Cohen, President Trump's personal lawyer, won a minor victory in court on Monday following last week's FBI raids on his home and office.

Judge Kimba Wood, a judge in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, ruled that the government must allow Cohen’s legal team to review materials that the FBI seized from his office, home and hotel room last week. Wood ruled that Cohen's legal team will see the materials before the federal prosecutors investigating Cohen are allowed access to them, according to multiple reports.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/383428-judge-rules-cohen-can-see-seized-documents-before-prosecutors#.WtUbd-_jpPM.twitter

Definitely confusing when you read the NY Times article with contradictory headline.

[TubbersUK]

44. It is strange - perhaps an emphasis thing. n/t

[paleotn]

54. The Hill is wrong

CNN made the same error

[TubbersUK]

63. The Hill has sorted itself out a bit now

Judge rejects Trump's bid to block access to Cohen materials

A federal judge dealt a blow to Michael Cohen, the president’s embattled personal lawyer, in a closely watched court decision on Monday afternoon.

Judge Kimba Wood of federal District Court in Manhattan denied an attempt by Cohen and President Trump to stop prosecutors from reviewing the materials that the FBI seized from his office, home and hotel room last week, according to multiple reports.

Cohen's legal team had asked for a temporary restraining order so that they could review the files and then turn over to prosecutors those that were "responsive, non-privileged items" — a request the government called unprecedented.

But in a victory for Cohen, Wood did order the government to create a database of what was taken from Cohen and share it with his legal team, according to The Associated Press.

[oberliner]

65. Thanks for sharing that

Two different rulings then? I'm confused.

[asiliveandbreathe]

18. This story seems to have come out after the court hearing - seems coming out of

left field.....don't know....

The argument against such an extraordinary request..

U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood on Monday will consider Trump’s extraordinary request to let the president’s attorneys conduct the document review for information protected by attorney-client privilege before Justice Department lawyers can look at it.

“Under the president’s theory, every person who has communicated with a lawyer would be given the power to turn every search warrant into a subpoena and to demand the return of lawfully seized evidence,” the prosecutors wrote in a letter Monday. “Such a rule is unworkable and ripe for abuse.”

Don't know..just don't know when this newsweek ruling came down....

[shraby]

19. The way I understood it, is she probably will let a filter team go through and maybe a

special master if needed. At any rate, cohen will not get the documents first and at best he can look at copies of what the FBI has. As far as all the electronic stuff, they just copied off what they wanted and left the stuff on his computer.

[NRaleighLiberal]

20. I think not based on latest breaking news

[Kingofalldems]

21. Oops.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210502053

[oberliner]

25. Kind of embarrassing for the NY Times to get this story wrong

But it looks like they did.

[madaboutharry]

28. No they did not.

[oberliner]

29. Yes, they did

ABC News
MORE: U.S. Attorney’s "taint team" to put seized documents into searchable database for Trump, Cohen attorneys, in advance of meeting among judge and parties to determine how much material is privileged. The process could up to two weeks.

[OilemFirchen]

34. That's completely contrary to your posted article's assertion.

Wood did not rule that Cohen's team could review the evidence before the prosecutors. Your ABC cite is correct.

[oberliner]

39. They both say the same thing

Here's the Newsweek lead paragraph:

President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, will get to review the documents that the government seized from him before prosecutors do, a federal judge ruled Monday. After the documents are provided to Cohen and his attorneys, the judge will decide whether a special government filter team or a so-called "special master" will get to further review the documents for those that might be covered by attorney-client privilege.

[OilemFirchen]

46. No they don't.

Cohen and his team do not get to review documents BEFORE the prosecutors.

I hate being so bold about this.

[oberliner]

47. Yes, they do

They get to review the documents before the prosecutors. That is literally what the paragraph says.

[OilemFirchen]

50. Good lord.

Quote the paragraph making that claim.

[Kingofalldems]

55. Seconded.

[oberliner]

59. Here's CNN

8 min ago

Judge orders government to turn over evidence to Cohen's legal team

From CNN’s Shimon Prokupecz and Kara Scannell

A federal judge ruled prosecutors have to turn over the seized material from last Monday's raid to Michael Cohen's attorneys so they can tell the judge how much of it might be subject to attorney client privilege.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-04-16-18/index.html

[Tipperary]

61. Yeah, I watched Lester Holt tonight. He says the same.

They get to review.

[OilemFirchen]

24. How did you find this howler?

It's not linked from Newsweek's home or U.S. pages.

Are you on a listserv? Which one?

[oberliner]

26. Huh?

It's being reported by Newsweek, The Hill. and Al Jazeera.

[OilemFirchen]

30. It's being MISreported by them.

However, there's no link to this story from Newsweek's home page or U.S. page.

I'm just curious how it came to your attention.

[oberliner]

32. It's the lead story on Newsweek's home page

http://www.newsweek.com/

[OilemFirchen]

38. It wasn't when you posted this OP.

Note, also, that the home page headline differs from that of the story to which it's linked.

[oberliner]

40. It is now

Article came to my attention on Google News. Seemed like a pretty big deal. And ridiculous, in my view.

[chillfactor]

27. No....

that is NOT what the judge ruled. Others here on DU have already explained why the headline here is in error.

[oberliner]

31. It's not an error

It's on the front page of Newsweek right now.

[Sanity Claws]

33. Sounds fair enough

His attorney will be seated in a conference room to review the documents, with someone from the taint team seated there too.
She will not be allowed in the room alone with the documents.

[Lint Head]

35. They are his documents. Seems like he would have already reviewed them.

[Leghorn21]

56. Hey now, the guys been busy, Lint (previously booked *social engagements* must be honored, see?)

[Lucinda]

58. +1

[struggle4progress]

36. No Definitive Ruling Yet On Attorney-Client Privilege

By Zachary Roth | April 16, 2018 5:11 pm

The judge in the Michael Cohen case has denied Cohen’s bid to have the government blocked from going through the materials they seized last week from his offices and hotel room. But she outlined a process where both sides will go though the documents for privileged material. The government can’t look at the substance of the materials, beyond the narrow search. The judge did not rule out appointing a special master to look through the materials, but said she’d decide at a future hearing ...

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/cohen-case-no-definitive-ruling-yet-on-attorney-client-privilege

[Kingofalldems]

41. Quite different than the OP headlines. Thanks.

[pnwmom]

37. Here are two articles that SEEM to contradict that. Interesting how different the takes are.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142039268

[oberliner]

43. It is so strange

I don't understand how reputable news sources can publish seemingly contradictory information about the same thing.

[malaise]

42. Not true

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210502127

[oberliner]

45. It is true

It's the lead story on the Newsweek home page right now.

Also The Hill.

[Kingofalldems]

60. Don't see it at The Hill:

This headline:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/383428-judge-rules-cohen-can-see-seized-documents-before-prosecutors

[OilemFirchen]

62. Curious, innit?

[Kingofalldems]

48. Trump supporters not liking that headline.

[oberliner]

57. There are no Trump supporters at DU

This is a board for Democrats.

Here's the CNN headline:

Judge orders government to turn over evidence to Cohen's legal team

A federal judge ruled prosecutors have to turn over the seized material from last Monday's raid to Michael Cohen's attorneys so they can tell the judge how much of it might be subject to attorney client privilege.

[George II]

64. The FBI isn't going to deliver them to his office and leave them there. They'll be reviewed...

...under strict supervision.

It's not unprecedented.

[oberliner]

66. Yes - thanks for that

This story was confusingly reported - I apologize to adding to the confusion. Will delete.