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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:50 AM Apr 2018

Major Dem donor hints she'll withhold funds after 'vigilante' Democrats forced Al Franken to resign

Major Dem donor hints she’ll withhold funds after 'vigilante' Democrats forced Al Franken to resign
Brad Reed 25 APR 2018 AT 10:31 ET

Susie Tompkins Buell, a major Democratic Party donor and longtime supporter of Hillary Clinton, is hinting that she will withhold money from Democrats who were instrumental in forcing former Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) to resign amid sexual harassment allegations.

In an interview with Politico, Buell says that she believes Franken got railroaded by his fellow Democrats into resigning after multiple women accused him of inappropriately touching them.

“I feel like it was so unfair,” she says. “It seemed like the people that forced him out—it was like vigilantes on the rampage. It just struck me as so wrong.”

Buell singled out Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) for her being the first Democratic senator to call for Franken’s resignation.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/major-dem-donor-hints-shell-withhold-funds-vigilante-democrats-forced-al-franken-resign/
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Major Dem donor hints she'll withhold funds after 'vigilante' Democrats forced Al Franken to resign (Original Post) workinclasszero Apr 2018 OP
Can't blame her BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #1
Yup workinclasszero Apr 2018 #2
Many here tried to make that case BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #3
But we are going high! -nt poboy2 Apr 2018 #10
Yeah no doubt BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #18
Its second only to 'keeping our powder dry'. poboy2 Apr 2018 #38
Damn right. cwydro Apr 2018 #16
The AF's fellow Democrats disndat Apr 2018 #101
Infuriating that it made no difference. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #116
Like me Scruffy1 Apr 2018 #118
You got it. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #131
Yup. That and a low-rated AM right-wing has-been radio station calimary Apr 2018 #123
Exactly Mel Apr 2018 #127
+1 OnDoutside Apr 2018 #4
Pure Bull DownriverDem Apr 2018 #34
You at exactly right SCantiGOP Apr 2018 #50
Must be one or the other tazkcmo Apr 2018 #107
No, Franken was a huge loss - it was the railroad job that helped the Repubs. PatrickforO Apr 2018 #75
Al and Amy Klobuchar were two of the most production Senators CentralMass Apr 2018 #84
She can donate to other Democrats, just not those who went after Franken lunamagica Apr 2018 #112
It is, sure as hell! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #66
I absolutely agree! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2018 #122
I cannot blame her. Tipperary Apr 2018 #5
My, my, my. Who would have predicted this happening? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2018 #6
Couldn't agree more..seems to me Gillibrand opened mouth, inserted foot... asiliveandbreathe Apr 2018 #7
Gillibrand -- forever disqualified for higher office. /nt philly_bob Apr 2018 #21
It's not even like this is her first thing, either. Stryst Apr 2018 #24
Is this true? Control-Z Apr 2018 #73
Ill look it up, but I doubt it. Shes been anti-gun since in the Senate aikoaiko Apr 2018 #80
Yeah, I looked. Control-Z Apr 2018 #87
Oh, that validates one of my suspicions about her -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #109
I feel pretty much the same. eom Control-Z Apr 2018 #132
Yes. She flipped. CentralMass Apr 2018 #90
Let me know DownriverDem Apr 2018 #35
I would expect Gillibrand would have been more pragmatic when the Franken issue was asiliveandbreathe Apr 2018 #41
Gillibrand's "A" rating from the NRA was downgraded to an "F" in 2010 after she was elected... Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2018 #97
I stand corrected..thanks..I should have checked....eom asiliveandbreathe Apr 2018 #98
You're welcome. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2018 #105
Not suporting Gillibrand has nothing to do with the GOP. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #51
I'm doing the same thing hurple Apr 2018 #8
Please do it DownriverDem Apr 2018 #36
75? Susie Tompkins Buell (ne Russell, born 1943) poboy2 Apr 2018 #47
There is a difference hurple Apr 2018 #91
Or, let's put it another way... hurple Apr 2018 #92
Good. Gillibrand went from my short-list of picks to my No-Way-in-Hell List for that shit! Stand and Fight Apr 2018 #9
Agree, with a caveat... CincyDem Apr 2018 #13
Agreed. n/t Stand and Fight Apr 2018 #33
Same here workinclasszero Apr 2018 #74
Yeah - that NRA thing bothers me too... CincyDem Apr 2018 #85
Like I said, I would vote for her if she is the democratic candidate workinclasszero Apr 2018 #88
In the primary Id sooner vote for Satan. 47of74 Apr 2018 #113
Good! IluvPitties Apr 2018 #15
.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #11
Apparently for Ms Buell it's Me Too unless inconvenient mythology Apr 2018 #12
No. Multiple Anonymous women came foward Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #17
Investigations of Lauer and F showed that they spooky3 Apr 2018 #20
Don't think you got it. lark Apr 2018 #23
How Apt A Screenname! (nt) ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #31
Ugh. Demit Apr 2018 #94
Did Lauer et al. wryter2000 Apr 2018 #128
Actions and consequences Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #14
Franken got his own self out... Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #19
Agree. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2018 #22
It's tough when your own side is seeking your scalp. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2018 #29
Same Thought ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #30
Exactly. That made a huge difference. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2018 #39
Exactly - hopefully we have not heard the last of Franken....eom asiliveandbreathe Apr 2018 #42
Often, we call those 'primaries.' LanternWaste Apr 2018 #44
Had the Republican been after him he would have. But riding it out when it was Autumn Apr 2018 #111
And you dont hear any of them speaking out against the pResident right now. padah513 Apr 2018 #114
Susie Thompkins Buell should reach out disndat Apr 2018 #25
I share her anger, but we cannot afford this right now. Adrahil Apr 2018 #26
I agree with that. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #119
Understandable still_one Apr 2018 #27
Don't withhold. Spend that money on other races. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #28
I imagine that's what she's going to do wryter2000 Apr 2018 #129
Franken got railroaded, but he also laid down on the tracks Azathoth Apr 2018 #32
...because KG and other (D)'s were at the throttle. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2018 #40
No, he had plenty of time to push back Azathoth Apr 2018 #46
I totally disagree, TheCowsCameHome Apr 2018 #54
Good for her hueymahl Apr 2018 #37
Step right up. Pick your favorite. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #43
Sen Sanders & Sen Warren Wwcd Apr 2018 #53
Both of them are on my list. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #56
Didn't know that about Manchin. I have to locate his personal statement as to why Wwcd Apr 2018 #59
Even after Franken announced his resignation. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #63
Manchin calls on Franken to unresign/ Dec.18.2017 Wwcd Apr 2018 #68
Hey, fair and liberal Democrats - disndat Apr 2018 #57
I see nothing despicable about KG. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #62
Nah that comment can be serious standingtall Apr 2018 #64
He quit before there could be an ethics investigation. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #65
There could not be an ethics investigation because the people that would have standingtall Apr 2018 #67
Thanks for the list. bookmarking for convenience The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #125
Bye Felicia Tarc Apr 2018 #45
No Offense but DownriverDem Apr 2018 #48
I'm pretty fucking old, thanks, since you keep asking. Demit Apr 2018 #95
Great news SCantiGOP Apr 2018 #49
Yep DownriverDem Apr 2018 #72
Meanwhile, we are stuck with 'Pussy Grabber' and felon Eric Greitens. joanbarnes Apr 2018 #52
Yeah, where is KB in front of cameras demanding the resignation of the pussy grabber in chief workinclasszero Apr 2018 #77
Led to fragging our own by Roger Stone and his friend Leeann Tweeden. Suckers-nt poboy2 Apr 2018 #79
Yup workinclasszero Apr 2018 #83
Al Franken pamdb Apr 2018 #55
minngal marieo1 Apr 2018 #58
As is her right. Good for her. nt Ilsa Apr 2018 #60
I stand with Buell's decision on this one. democratisphere Apr 2018 #61
good for her. As long as she is selective in her withholding. Freethinker65 Apr 2018 #69
Been nice to know you Kirsten!! aeromanKC Apr 2018 #70
Mysogyny Lives! TomCADem Apr 2018 #71
"...Franken got railroaded by his fellow Democrats into resigning..." NurseJackie Apr 2018 #76
I hope she still donates to the non witchhunters, notice how none of those women pursued diane in sf Apr 2018 #78
That is her. Snackshack Apr 2018 #81
Works for me. jalan48 Apr 2018 #82
Who would have thought? Due process should be afforded to the man as well. rainin Apr 2018 #86
Gillbrand lost my support forever.... radhika Apr 2018 #89
It's her money she could support Kermit and miss Piggy if she wants dembotoz Apr 2018 #93
Don't let the door hit you on the way out! HenryWallace Apr 2018 #96
Wow, that was extremely out of bounds? A Democratic, rich, entitled donor? Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #106
Good! ananda Apr 2018 #99
Shes not the only one. Gilibrand fucked up. (n/t) FreepFryer Apr 2018 #100
Sounds reasonable ollie10 Apr 2018 #102
consequence heaven05 Apr 2018 #103
I admire his decision Lazy Daisy Apr 2018 #104
Good for her blueinredohio Apr 2018 #108
Good. Paladin Apr 2018 #110
Those awful "fellow Democrats" those Progressive dog Apr 2018 #115
Yea Im pissed Franklin resigned but Im apopoletic about Trump. Forgive and forget Pepsidog Apr 2018 #117
Good. Yes, Gillibrand spearheaded it. Because Franken was in the way of her Presidential plans. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #120
In days gone past, they once thought the pulp in orange juice wasn't worth keeping nolabels Apr 2018 #121
Good. Owl Apr 2018 #124
ha bdamomma Apr 2018 #126
This could well improve the line rock Apr 2018 #130
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
2. Yup
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:55 AM
Apr 2018

It was a set up by Roger Stone and many democrats who should have known better bought it 100% and got played by the GOP.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
3. Many here tried to make that case
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:56 AM
Apr 2018

And were shouted down, accused of being misogynists and everything else under the sun.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
18. Yeah no doubt
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:17 PM
Apr 2018

If there's a silver lining those supporting Al were vindicated by facts and those calling for his resignation were revealed to be easily duped suckers who lack basic political street smarts. Downside is this is a senate seat we'll probably lose.

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
38. Its second only to 'keeping our powder dry'.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:58 PM
Apr 2018

Turns out, we like to save it to use the powder on our own.

disndat

(1,887 posts)
101. The AF's fellow Democrats
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

were so anxious to show they were stand-up guys, they rushed to judgment before the truth of AF's accuser, Tweeden, was
revealed to be put up by Fox News principal players. I seem to recall that Tweeden later apologized..

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
116. Infuriating that it made no difference.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:15 PM
Apr 2018

I’m just too angry and disillusioned with gillibrand to say much.

Scruffy1

(3,239 posts)
118. Like me
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:51 PM
Apr 2018

If I said what I thought of her I would be banned. I remember working nearly full time on his election for months. All for naught. He just was too intelligent and scared the leaders.

Mel

(2,835 posts)
127. Exactly
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:22 AM
Apr 2018

when I see this I do not hold much trust, faith, or wanting to support their holding a position where they will work for we the people.

Hey,democrats it's not like Roger Stone hasn't played this card before and for them to fall for it again.......or worse if they are working it for their political ambition! They will not get any of my money either.

SCantiGOP

(13,855 posts)
50. You at exactly right
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:29 PM
Apr 2018

The people cheering his are either GOP trolls or simply don’t understand the realities of politics.

tazkcmo

(7,286 posts)
107. Must be one or the other
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:29 PM
Apr 2018

As opposed to simply disagreeing. Is everyone that disagree with you flawed in some way or just on DU?

PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
75. No, Franken was a huge loss - it was the railroad job that helped the Repubs.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:42 PM
Apr 2018

She can donate to who she wants.

I was totally turned off by Gillibrand's actions and will actively and virulently oppose her in my state's primary in 2020. That wasn't OK and it hurt our party, its policies and its brand. There's no soft-pedaling that - it was a huge mistake.

So, she is sponsoring a bill now to allow US post offices to offer banking services to the poor. That is GOOD policy and I support her in that.

But no, I'm sure I'm not alone in not wanting to reward the people who made this huge mistake. They won't be getting any donations from me (and I'm truly small potatoes, but still...) either.

No.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
84. Al and Amy Klobuchar were two of the most production Senators
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:52 PM
Apr 2018
http://m.startribune.com/klobuchar-franken-among-most-productive-senators-for-number-of-bills-passed/404084706/
"WASHINGTON -- Democratic Sens. Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken both ranked in the top 10 most productive senators on Capitol Hill for the number of bills passed and sent to the president's desk, according to legislative data from GovTrack.

Klobuchar ranked No. 1, authoring 27 bills that were sent to President Obama's desk in the last term. Franken ranked No. 6 with 22 bills, according to data compiled this week."

BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
66. It is, sure as hell!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:00 PM
Apr 2018

Franken was one of my all-time favourite politicians - knowledgeable and willing to work HARD on gaining any information he lacked...not at all afraid to ask the tough questions, and follow them up! (something more of them could learn from)...and, of course, his heart is totally in the right place, politically and socially.

A very big loss to the American public.

Rhiannon12866

(202,954 posts)
122. I absolutely agree!
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 02:28 AM
Apr 2018

He was incredibly smart and informed - and not afraid to speak out when it was most needed. And he said he needed to work harder because he was mostly dealing with experienced lawyers - and he sure did!

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
5. I cannot blame her.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:58 AM
Apr 2018

I will never forget those here who wanted him gone. Some of the same who want to love Comey now.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
7. Couldn't agree more..seems to me Gillibrand opened mouth, inserted foot...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:00 PM
Apr 2018

trying to capture the #metoo wave....we can ill afford losing a strong Democratic member of congress - so wrong....considering what we know now....

Stryst

(714 posts)
24. It's not even like this is her first thing, either.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:38 PM
Apr 2018

She advocates for the death penalty, has a 100% rating from the NRA, but a B- from human rights watch.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
80. Ill look it up, but I doubt it. Shes been anti-gun since in the Senate
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:48 PM
Apr 2018


Before then she probably had a good rating from the NRA but I would be surprised if it was a straight A.

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
87. Yeah, I looked.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:57 PM
Apr 2018

She had an A. Now she has an F.

NRA Sources tell NBCNewYork they've downgraded Gillibrand from an A to an F, a move scheduled to be announced later this week.

When Gillibrand was appointed to the Senate last year, she boasted about sleeping with guns under her bed and how her family hunted their own Thanksgiving turkeys.

She was also proud of her perfect letter grade from the NRA, which said she had voted with them on gun related issues 100 percent of the time as an upstate Congresswoman.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NRA-Shoots-Down-Kirsten-Gillibrands-Rating--104050029.html%3famp=y
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
109. Oh, that validates one of my suspicions about her --
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:47 PM
Apr 2018

she's an opportunist.

I hadn't liked her much before the Franken fiasco, liked her a LOT less after, and now I think I'm pretty much done with her. Anyone who can switch their personal policy agendas to take advantage of the revailing winds isn't someone I think should go ANY higher than where she currently is, and I don't think she should stay there either.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
41. I would expect Gillibrand would have been more pragmatic when the Franken issue was
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:06 PM
Apr 2018

first reported....challenging a Democratic voter with "how they feel when a rethugs wins" is not an argument or the subject matter of this thread..but I respect your opinion..I just don't agree with it...Gillibrand was wrong in her approach to the Franken issue...

The question - is Gillibrand the best representation we have out of NY? - For the death penalty - 100% NRA -

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
97. Gillibrand's "A" rating from the NRA was downgraded to an "F" in 2010 after she was elected...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 04:36 PM
Apr 2018

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., admitted she was "embarrassed" of not better understanding "gun violence" after touting her top ranking from the National Rifle Association on gun rights issues when she first ran for office in upstate New York.

"After I got appointed, I went down to Brooklyn to meet with families who had suffered from gun violence in their communities. And you immediately experience the feeling that I couldn't have been more wrong. You know, I only had the lens of upstate New York," Gillibrand told CBS in an interview...


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kirsten-gillibrand-embarrassed-of-not-understanding-gun-violence-when-nra-gave-her-an-a-rating

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
51. Not suporting Gillibrand has nothing to do with the GOP.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:32 PM
Apr 2018

You are making intellectual dishonest argument.

hurple

(1,304 posts)
91. There is a difference
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:01 PM
Apr 2018

between helping R's and not helping harmful D's.

I just funnel my money and support to D's who *deserve* it, rather than these goobers.

Really, is that hard to understand? It is NOT blind-loyal support for any D, no matter what... It's the blind-loyal support, no matter what, for trumplestilskin, by the R's, that got us into this mess.

I don't play that game. I support the candidates that earn my support.

And these, lost it.

hurple

(1,304 posts)
92. Or, let's put it another way...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:17 PM
Apr 2018

I took names. I made a list. And the people on it will get the exact same level of support from me that they gave to their fellow Democratic Senator.

I've only got so much to go around, I'm sure they won't even notice the loss.

CincyDem

(6,281 posts)
13. Agree, with a caveat...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:12 PM
Apr 2018


...if I have a choice, she ain't it.

If, however, it is her vs. any Republican, she's got my vote and any I can bring along with me.

I hate what happened to Al but not so much as to sign up for another 4 years of any republican administration.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
74. Same here
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:37 PM
Apr 2018

I'm always voting dem but I would not support Gillibrand in any primary that's for sure.

And now I learn she is rated 100% by the damned NRA???? The news on her just keeps getting worse SMH.

CincyDem

(6,281 posts)
85. Yeah - that NRA thing bothers me too...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:54 PM
Apr 2018

...but I've come to the conclusion that there is no single issue within the realm of reason that would prevent me from supporting a democrat over a republican. Sure - if we have a dem running for office on the platform "child porn for all", I'm not support them but really, do you think that's ever going to be the case.

My rationale may be faulty but even in a case like Gillibrand and the NRA...I can support her because I have confidence that, as a democrat, she has the ability to hear the opinions of others and when appropriate change her mind. I'd vote for her even with that NRA 100% because I think there's a change she reconsiders that position over time.

What percent ??? I don't know but higher than any republican. I used to think republicans could only reexamine their priorities in light of personal experience (a la Portman and his gay rights stance when his son came out) but now, in a post Scalese, I don't think that's a given.

I believe republican politicians are who they are going to be while democratic politicians have at least some chance greater than zero of becoming more than they are today.

Maybe I'm being closed minded about close-mindedness but I don't see republicans honestly evolving their positions while I think democrats can (and do).
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
88. Like I said, I would vote for her if she is the democratic candidate
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:58 PM
Apr 2018

But I have to say that a democrat with a 100% rating from the NRA is wayyyy out of step with most democrats and a majority of all Americans in general that favor common sense gun control.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
12. Apparently for Ms Buell it's Me Too unless inconvenient
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:12 PM
Apr 2018

Franken apologized for how he treated women. Multiple women came forward. If it were anyone else, this wouldn't be a debate.

Did anybody call for Lauer or Farenthold to not be fired/resign? How many here are certain the women who accused Trump are telling the truth?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
17. No. Multiple Anonymous women came foward
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:16 PM
Apr 2018

And a couple of women who obviously had some issues and.pne an agenda.

Comparing Lauer to Franken is ridiculous!

lark

(22,993 posts)
23. Don't think you got it.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:35 PM
Apr 2018

MeToo, unless they are lies, is what we support. The photographer and multiple witnesses said Franken didn't touch her. One of the complaints was from someone he put his arm around her waist - seriously! These are the people that should get a good/great Senator run out of office even after proof that this was planned by Roger Stone and that Leann worked with Hannity. Franken apologized in a generic way if he'd offended anyone. He also asked for a full investigation to prove these allegations were false.

Are you really trying to conflate an admitted serial philanderer and assaulter with Franken - Really???. OMG. SMH.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
128. Did Lauer et al.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:45 AM
Apr 2018

Have letters from huge numbers of women from his staff and from his previous tv show stating he treated women with complete respect? Not just a few women supporters but the vast majority of women who had good reason to know.

Did Lauer et al. Perform their assaults in front of a camera for other people to see, including one woman's husband who said nothing at the time?

No one here would defend anyone like Weiner, but with Franken, the charges were obviously bogus. His immediate apology to Tweeden is only more evidence he's a decent guy.

And, btw, I'm a woman who, like all women, has put up with shit from the small subset of men who are creeps throughout my life. I have no patience with abusers.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. Franken got his own self out...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:17 PM
Apr 2018

He had every right to stay and fight it, and after the sensationalist heat died down it's clear the "charge" was pretty goddamn flimsy...

All Franken had to do was be patient and ride it out...

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
30. Same Thought
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:46 PM
Apr 2018

If the "heat" was coming from the duplicitous right, he would have. When your own side is throwing you onto the subway tracks, it's quite different.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
44. Often, we call those 'primaries.'
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:11 PM
Apr 2018

"tough when your own side is seeking your scalp..."

Often, we call those 'primaries.' And so many seem to come out of that storm stronger than before.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
111. Had the Republican been after him he would have. But riding it out when it was
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:56 PM
Apr 2018

Senators from his own side after him would have been very destructive and IMO I think he chose not to harm his party.

padah513

(2,483 posts)
114. And you dont hear any of them speaking out against the pResident right now.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:08 PM
Apr 2018

He's still there and back then they should have been singing about it like a Byzantine Monk chant. The problem is that now the news cycle with this administration changes so quickly, there's no telling how long they could have stayed on message. It was weekly, now it's twice or three times daily. Just look at the breaking news today.

disndat

(1,887 posts)
25. Susie Thompkins Buell should reach out
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:40 PM
Apr 2018

to some real NYS progressives, like Zephyr Teachout, and finance a run in the primaries against KG.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. I share her anger, but we cannot afford this right now.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:40 PM
Apr 2018

File the grudges for later. Right now we must WIN.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. Don't withhold. Spend that money on other races.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:43 PM
Apr 2018

We will make sure the democrats you don't like make it through.

Franken quit.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
129. I imagine that's what she's going to do
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:51 AM
Apr 2018

I was very disappointed Kamala Harris joined the piling-on, but I'll continue to support her. She's too good to lose.

Azathoth

(4,603 posts)
32. Franken got railroaded, but he also laid down on the tracks
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:52 PM
Apr 2018

He did a miserable job pushing back on the allegations.

Azathoth

(4,603 posts)
46. No, he had plenty of time to push back
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:14 PM
Apr 2018

His refusal to stand up for himself made him look guilty as hell. He wouldn't deny anything, he wouldn't tell his side of the story, and he would only say cryptic things like "I don't remember it that way." Every new allegation buried him deeper and deeper and all he did was keep his head down as the dirt covered him. It was a master class in how not to respond to a scandal.

By the time KG called for him to go, he was already underwater. If he had stood up for himself from the beginning, he would have been in a much stronger position to resist those calls (which means those calls probably wouldn't have been made in the first place.)

TheCowsCameHome

(40,161 posts)
54. I totally disagree,
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:42 PM
Apr 2018

he never had the benefit of due process, so let's just leave it at that.

KG is on her own as far as I'm concerned.


hueymahl

(2,414 posts)
37. Good for her
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 12:56 PM
Apr 2018

This is exactly the kind of message that needs to be sent. It won't have any material effect on their campaigns, but those behind this travesty need to be called out again now that emotions are not as high.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
43. Step right up. Pick your favorite.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:10 PM
Apr 2018

“Senator Franken should resign. I consider Senator Franken a dear friend and greatly respect his accomplishments, but he has a higher obligation to his constituents and the Senate, and he should step down immediately." Chuck Schumer

"While Senator Franken is entitled to have the Ethics Committee conclude its review, I believe it would be better for our country if he sent a clear message that any kind of mistreatment of women in our society isn’t acceptable by stepping aside to let someone else serve." Kirsten Gillibrand

"Today, I am calling on my colleague Al Franken to step aside. I’ve struggled with this decision because he’s been a good Senator and I consider him a friend. But that cannot excuse his behavior and his mistreatment of women." Mazie Hirono


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"I just learned of the latest, disturbing allegation against Senator Franken. While the facts from case to case can differ, and while there are sound reasons for weighing evidence in such cases in a deliberate and carefully considered process, Senator Franken’s situation has become untenable. I am concerned that even a prompt Ethics Committee investigation and recommendations will not come soon enough. He has to step aside. I hope as a nation that we are beginning to come to terms with the systemic problem of sexual harassment and assault, but we still have a long way to go" Patrick Leahy


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“I am deeply disappointed by Senator Franken’s behavior. He must step aside. To all those across America who have come forward to share their stories over the past few months: thank you. Your courage and strength in driving this long-overdue national conversation is awe-inspiring. As national leaders, we must hold ourselves to a higher standard — and we must lead by example to ensure every person is treated with the dignity and respect they deserve. This isn’t about Democrats or Republicans, it’s about our society. It’s about who we are as a people and the kind of country we want our daughters — and our sons — to grow up in." Tammy Duckworth


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"I think he should resign." Elizabeth Warren


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"The increasing number of women coming forward suggests a pattern of repeated harassment and unacceptable behavior that is impossible to ignore. Senator Franken has denied some of these allegations and has the right to continue to seek a process through the Ethics Committee, but I believe the best course of action for him right now is to step down, as I expect he will do tomorrow." Chris Murphy

"I think it's time for him to step down." Cory Booker


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“I think Senator Franken should resign. The accumulating accusations and acknowledgment that inappropriate behavior took place cannot be countenanced. Sexual harassment must not be tolerated and this is part of a larger national discussion that is long overdue and must lead to fundamental change and lasting progress." Jack Reed

“Sen. Franken has said that he will be making an announcement about his political future tomorrow. The right thing is for him to resign. We are now at a crossroads in American culture. And it is an important one. The way we treat women in our country has been abysmal in almost every way. We are finally addressing the issue of sexual harassment, and we need to get it right. But the conversation we are having now is only the tip of the iceberg. It needs to be an ongoing movement of women and men that includes a national discussion about sexism, sexual harassment, objectification, inequality and abuse of power.” Bernie Sanders

“Sexual harassment is never acceptable. I agree with a majority of the Democratic senators that Sen. Franken should step aside.” Bill Nelson

Joe Manchin was in Frankens corner the whole time. It's good to know some will be funding the shit out of his next campaign.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
53. Sen Sanders & Sen Warren
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:42 PM
Apr 2018

WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement on Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.):

"Sen. Franken has said that he will be making an announcement about his political future tomorrow. The right thing is for him to resign.

Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren joined the chorus of Democratic senators calling for Minnesota Democrat Al Franken to resign in the wake of new sexual harassment allegations, including fellow Senator Ed Markey.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
59. Didn't know that about Manchin. I have to locate his personal statement as to why
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:49 PM
Apr 2018

Just curious why he stood separate from the others

Thanks

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
68. Manchin calls on Franken to unresign/ Dec.18.2017
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

"Friends don't let friends resign from the U.S. Senate amid sexual misconduct allegations, according to Sen. Joe Manchin."

(My bold type emphasis)

The loss of Franken in the Senate was/still is heartbreaking for many reasons

I wish he could unresign as well.

Thanks NCTraveler
🍃

disndat

(1,887 posts)
57. Hey, fair and liberal Democrats -
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:46 PM
Apr 2018

What happened to *Due Process*?
KG is despicable.
Clearly she pushed herself to the head of the line with her sharp elbows.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
62. I see nothing despicable about KG.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:50 PM
Apr 2018

"What happened to *Due Process*? "

You can't be serious with that comment.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
64. Nah that comment can be serious
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:55 PM
Apr 2018

Any chance at due process was destroyed by almost every Democratic Senator calling for his resignation before there was an investigation. No one would want to face a jury where all jurors already publicly declared you guilty before the trial.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
65. He quit before there could be an ethics investigation.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:58 PM
Apr 2018

That comment cannot be serious. It shows a complete lack of understanding as to what due process is.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
67. There could not be an ethics investigation because the people that would have
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:04 PM
Apr 2018

conducted the investigation already declared him guilty. It is not due process or justice when those tasked with investigating the charges already declare someone guilty period.

The Polack MSgt

(13,159 posts)
125. Thanks for the list. bookmarking for convenience
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:52 AM
Apr 2018

I'm sure I will need to revisit their words regarding personal responsibility soon, and probably often.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
45. Bye Felicia
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:11 PM
Apr 2018

There's no doubt that Franken got pinched by the right here, Leeann Tweeden is practically a Hannity fangirl, but there wouldn't be a controversy at all if Franken actually hadn't done those things.

He fell on his sword for the greater good of the party, to not be a distraction as we try to unseat the GOP. It sucks, but Buell and her money can fuck right off. The party will be fine.

DownriverDem

(6,205 posts)
48. No Offense but
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:27 PM
Apr 2018

haven't we already learned how it turns out and hurts us if we are divided on the left? Wake up people. It's about beating the crap out of the repubs in November. It's not about agreeing with a rich Dem who is now upset because things didn't go her way. Get real. How old are you folks? repubs love folks like you all.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
95. I'm pretty fucking old, thanks, since you keep asking.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:52 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe you're not old enough yet, to recognize a political hit job when you see one.

SCantiGOP

(13,855 posts)
49. Great news
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:27 PM
Apr 2018

for the Republican Party. Every loss of a dollar of funding and every crack in a unified front for the Democratic Party is a net gain for the GOP.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
77. Yeah, where is KB in front of cameras demanding the resignation of the pussy grabber in chief
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:43 PM
Apr 2018

and other republican scum like Greitens?

I sure as hell don't see that on my evening news show!

Somewhere Roger Stone and his friend Leeann Tweeden are !!!!!!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
83. Yup
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:51 PM
Apr 2018

Democrats doing what the right wing GOPers couldn't.

Take out one of the most liberal senators in Congress!

pamdb

(1,331 posts)
55. Al Franken
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:42 PM
Apr 2018

I keep getting emails from Gillibrand asking for money and I keep
replying that I will never forgive her for being, I think, the driving force in forcing Al Franken to resign. I still think he shouldn't have resigned. I will never give her any money. If she ends up on the 2020
ticket I think that will be a BIG mistake. I'll vote for the ticket because
I hate trump and the republicans, but I won't support her, it would be just because she's a part of the ticket. I really hope the democrats do not put her on the presidential ticket.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
58. minngal
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:47 PM
Apr 2018

I agree with Ms Buell 100% and I blame Kirsten Gillibrand for starting it. I saw Al Franken on Congress floor and I was amazed at his ability to fight for our rights and values and the first thing you know, Gillibrand went after him. That was so disgusting - Al Franken was a comedian for crying out loud and would do any thing for a laugh. It did not mean he had ulterior motives. Just wait, Gillibrand will be running for President!! I feel she had political aspirations and that is why she went after Mr. Al!!

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
61. I stand with Buell's decision on this one.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 01:50 PM
Apr 2018

It is difficult enough fighting off attacks by the RW in all it's forms, but when Dem Senators like Kirsten Gillibrand start undermining our Best and Brightest and most vocal senators, there must be a price to pay.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
76. "...Franken got railroaded by his fellow Democrats into resigning..."
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:42 PM
Apr 2018
"...Franken got railroaded by his fellow Democrats into resigning..."
Absolutely true! I'm still furious about it. He did everything right and he was still treated unfairly. It's unforgivable.

diane in sf

(3,904 posts)
78. I hope she still donates to the non witchhunters, notice how none of those women pursued
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:44 PM
Apr 2018

Their bogus claims afterward?

Snackshack

(2,540 posts)
81. That is her.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:50 PM
Apr 2018

Prerogative.

The bigger picture here is to get back a majority in at least one chamber in order to have some measure of check and balance so this hurts that but it is her money and her decision and she has every right to feel the way she does.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
86. Who would have thought? Due process should be afforded to the man as well.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:55 PM
Apr 2018

I support this donor.

OTOH, why do we settle for living in a country where a "donor" has any more influence than a voter? Her money makes her voice so much louder than yours or mine. That should anger every democrat.

radhika

(1,008 posts)
89. Gillbrand lost my support forever....
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:59 PM
Apr 2018

Railroaded Franken for her ego, with no value rendered to the issues of harassment. I believe she made a grab for alpha-spot, and thought this would catapult her to a front runner. Ain't gonna work.

If she had exploited the #MEETOO moment to challenge the entire Senate to come up with common, across-the-board gradated standard that would apply them to any legislator, that's one thing. If the Pugs refused to work with her on that, use that against them and simply give Franken a slap on the hand pending a fair policy.

But her way, nothing was gained, and someone valuable was lost just when the nation needs fearless Progressive voices. Thinking back to his challenge to Session, for example.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
96. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 04:11 PM
Apr 2018

Just what the Democratic Party needs; another rich, entitled donor.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,057 posts)
106. Wow, that was extremely out of bounds? A Democratic, rich, entitled donor?
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:27 PM
Apr 2018

Where the fuck did that come from? Damn, that kind of wording pisses me off.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
104. I admire his decision
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:08 PM
Apr 2018

It takes a big person to do what he did. If the big $$$ donor can't see it, the hell with her.

Paladin

(28,202 posts)
110. Good.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:50 PM
Apr 2018

An official censure would have been adequate punishment. We could really, really use Franken, right now.

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