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Major Dem donor hints shell withhold funds after 'vigilante' Democrats forced Al Franken to resignBrad Reed 25 APR 2018 AT 10:31 ET
Susie Tompkins Buell, a major Democratic Party donor and longtime supporter of Hillary Clinton, is hinting that she will withhold money from Democrats who were instrumental in forcing former Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) to resign amid sexual harassment allegations.
In an interview with Politico, Buell says that she believes Franken got railroaded by his fellow Democrats into resigning after multiple women accused him of inappropriately touching them.
I feel like it was so unfair, she says. It seemed like the people that forced him outit was like vigilantes on the rampage. It just struck me as so wrong.
Buell singled out Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) for her being the first Democratic senator to call for Frankens resignation.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/major-dem-donor-hints-shell-withhold-funds-vigilante-democrats-forced-al-franken-resign/
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)A dark, sad and disgraceful chapter in the party's recent history.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It was a set up by Roger Stone and many democrats who should have known better bought it 100% and got played by the GOP.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)And were shouted down, accused of being misogynists and everything else under the sun.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)That wins elections.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)If there's a silver lining those supporting Al were vindicated by facts and those calling for his resignation were revealed to be easily duped suckers who lack basic political street smarts. Downside is this is a senate seat we'll probably lose.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)Turns out, we like to save it to use the powder on our own.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)disndat
(1,887 posts)were so anxious to show they were stand-up guys, they rushed to judgment before the truth of AF's accuser, Tweeden, was
revealed to be put up by Fox News principal players. I seem to recall that Tweeden later apologized..
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Im just too angry and disillusioned with gillibrand to say much.
Scruffy1
(3,239 posts)If I said what I thought of her I would be banned. I remember working nearly full time on his election for months. All for naught. He just was too intelligent and scared the leaders.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)He IS brilliant. I sure hope he makes a comeback.
calimary
(80,693 posts)whose heyday was several decades ago.
Mel
(2,835 posts)when I see this I do not hold much trust, faith, or wanting to support their holding a position where they will work for we the people.
Hey,democrats it's not like Roger Stone hasn't played this card before and for them to fall for it again.......or worse if they are working it for their political ambition! They will not get any of my money either.
OnDoutside
(19,905 posts)DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)So here we are again helping the repubs. Way to go rich Dem.
SCantiGOP
(13,855 posts)The people cheering his are either GOP trolls or simply dont understand the realities of politics.
tazkcmo
(7,286 posts)As opposed to simply disagreeing. Is everyone that disagree with you flawed in some way or just on DU?
PatrickforO
(14,514 posts)She can donate to who she wants.
I was totally turned off by Gillibrand's actions and will actively and virulently oppose her in my state's primary in 2020. That wasn't OK and it hurt our party, its policies and its brand. There's no soft-pedaling that - it was a huge mistake.
So, she is sponsoring a bill now to allow US post offices to offer banking services to the poor. That is GOOD policy and I support her in that.
But no, I'm sure I'm not alone in not wanting to reward the people who made this huge mistake. They won't be getting any donations from me (and I'm truly small potatoes, but still...) either.
No.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)"WASHINGTON -- Democratic Sens. Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken both ranked in the top 10 most productive senators on Capitol Hill for the number of bills passed and sent to the president's desk, according to legislative data from GovTrack.
Klobuchar ranked No. 1, authoring 27 bills that were sent to President Obama's desk in the last term. Franken ranked No. 6 with 22 bills, according to data compiled this week."
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,535 posts)Franken was one of my all-time favourite politicians - knowledgeable and willing to work HARD on gaining any information he lacked...not at all afraid to ask the tough questions, and follow them up! (something more of them could learn from)...and, of course, his heart is totally in the right place, politically and socially.
A very big loss to the American public.
Rhiannon12866
(202,954 posts)He was incredibly smart and informed - and not afraid to speak out when it was most needed. And he said he needed to work harder because he was mostly dealing with experienced lawyers - and he sure did!
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I will never forget those here who wanted him gone. Some of the same who want to love Comey now.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)trying to capture the #metoo wave....we can ill afford losing a strong Democratic member of congress - so wrong....considering what we know now....
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)Stryst
(714 posts)She advocates for the death penalty, has a 100% rating from the NRA, but a B- from human rights watch.
Control-Z
(15,681 posts)I have never heard this. Wow, if true.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Before then she probably had a good rating from the NRA but I would be surprised if it was a straight A.
Control-Z
(15,681 posts)She had an A. Now she has an F.
When Gillibrand was appointed to the Senate last year, she boasted about sleeping with guns under her bed and how her family hunted their own Thanksgiving turkeys.
She was also proud of her perfect letter grade from the NRA, which said she had voted with them on gun related issues 100 percent of the time as an upstate Congresswoman.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NRA-Shoots-Down-Kirsten-Gillibrands-Rating--104050029.html%3famp=y
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)she's an opportunist.
I hadn't liked her much before the Franken fiasco, liked her a LOT less after, and now I think I'm pretty much done with her. Anyone who can switch their personal policy agendas to take advantage of the revailing winds isn't someone I think should go ANY higher than where she currently is, and I don't think she should stay there either.
Control-Z
(15,681 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)How you feel when the repubs win again.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)first reported....challenging a Democratic voter with "how they feel when a rethugs wins" is not an argument or the subject matter of this thread..but I respect your opinion..I just don't agree with it...Gillibrand was wrong in her approach to the Franken issue...
The question - is Gillibrand the best representation we have out of NY? - For the death penalty - 100% NRA -
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., admitted she was "embarrassed" of not better understanding "gun violence" after touting her top ranking from the National Rifle Association on gun rights issues when she first ran for office in upstate New York.
"After I got appointed, I went down to Brooklyn to meet with families who had suffered from gun violence in their communities. And you immediately experience the feeling that I couldn't have been more wrong. You know, I only had the lens of upstate New York," Gillibrand told CBS in an interview...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kirsten-gillibrand-embarrassed-of-not-understanding-gun-violence-when-nra-gave-her-an-a-rating
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)You are making intellectual dishonest argument.
hurple
(1,304 posts)But my donations are a pittance compared to hers so that means my voice is too.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)Then you can be proud of helping the repubs. How old are all you folks?
poboy2
(2,078 posts)hurple
(1,304 posts)between helping R's and not helping harmful D's.
I just funnel my money and support to D's who *deserve* it, rather than these goobers.
Really, is that hard to understand? It is NOT blind-loyal support for any D, no matter what... It's the blind-loyal support, no matter what, for trumplestilskin, by the R's, that got us into this mess.
I don't play that game. I support the candidates that earn my support.
And these, lost it.
hurple
(1,304 posts)I took names. I made a list. And the people on it will get the exact same level of support from me that they gave to their fellow Democratic Senator.
I've only got so much to go around, I'm sure they won't even notice the loss.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)CincyDem
(6,281 posts)...if I have a choice, she ain't it.
If, however, it is her vs. any Republican, she's got my vote and any I can bring along with me.
I hate what happened to Al but not so much as to sign up for another 4 years of any republican administration.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I'm always voting dem but I would not support Gillibrand in any primary that's for sure.
And now I learn she is rated 100% by the damned NRA???? The news on her just keeps getting worse SMH.
CincyDem
(6,281 posts)...but I've come to the conclusion that there is no single issue within the realm of reason that would prevent me from supporting a democrat over a republican. Sure - if we have a dem running for office on the platform "child porn for all", I'm not support them but really, do you think that's ever going to be the case.
My rationale may be faulty but even in a case like Gillibrand and the NRA...I can support her because I have confidence that, as a democrat, she has the ability to hear the opinions of others and when appropriate change her mind. I'd vote for her even with that NRA 100% because I think there's a change she reconsiders that position over time.
What percent ??? I don't know but higher than any republican. I used to think republicans could only reexamine their priorities in light of personal experience (a la Portman and his gay rights stance when his son came out) but now, in a post Scalese, I don't think that's a given.
I believe republican politicians are who they are going to be while democratic politicians have at least some chance greater than zero of becoming more than they are today.
Maybe I'm being closed minded about close-mindedness but I don't see republicans honestly evolving their positions while I think democrats can (and do).
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)But I have to say that a democrat with a 100% rating from the NRA is wayyyy out of step with most democrats and a majority of all Americans in general that favor common sense gun control.
47of74
(18,470 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)LexVegas
(6,005 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Franken apologized for how he treated women. Multiple women came forward. If it were anyone else, this wouldn't be a debate.
Did anybody call for Lauer or Farenthold to not be fired/resign? How many here are certain the women who accused Trump are telling the truth?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)And a couple of women who obviously had some issues and.pne an agenda.
Comparing Lauer to Franken is ridiculous!
spooky3
(34,300 posts)Had both committed serious wrongdoing.
lark
(22,993 posts)MeToo, unless they are lies, is what we support. The photographer and multiple witnesses said Franken didn't touch her. One of the complaints was from someone he put his arm around her waist - seriously! These are the people that should get a good/great Senator run out of office even after proof that this was planned by Roger Stone and that Leann worked with Hannity. Franken apologized in a generic way if he'd offended anyone. He also asked for a full investigation to prove these allegations were false.
Are you really trying to conflate an admitted serial philanderer and assaulter with Franken - Really???. OMG. SMH.
ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)wryter2000
(46,016 posts)Have letters from huge numbers of women from his staff and from his previous tv show stating he treated women with complete respect? Not just a few women supporters but the vast majority of women who had good reason to know.
Did Lauer et al. Perform their assaults in front of a camera for other people to see, including one woman's husband who said nothing at the time?
No one here would defend anyone like Weiner, but with Franken, the charges were obviously bogus. His immediate apology to Tweeden is only more evidence he's a decent guy.
And, btw, I'm a woman who, like all women, has put up with shit from the small subset of men who are creeps throughout my life. I have no patience with abusers.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)What a novel idea
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)He had every right to stay and fight it, and after the sensationalist heat died down it's clear the "charge" was pretty goddamn flimsy...
All Franken had to do was be patient and ride it out...
Quixote1818
(28,903 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)If the "heat" was coming from the duplicitous right, he would have. When your own side is throwing you onto the subway tracks, it's quite different.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)What a sad performance by some of our own. We lost a great man.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"tough when your own side is seeking your scalp..."
Often, we call those 'primaries.' And so many seem to come out of that storm stronger than before.
Autumn
(44,743 posts)Senators from his own side after him would have been very destructive and IMO I think he chose not to harm his party.
padah513
(2,483 posts)He's still there and back then they should have been singing about it like a Byzantine Monk chant. The problem is that now the news cycle with this administration changes so quickly, there's no telling how long they could have stayed on message. It was weekly, now it's twice or three times daily. Just look at the breaking news today.
disndat
(1,887 posts)to some real NYS progressives, like Zephyr Teachout, and finance a run in the primaries against KG.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)File the grudges for later. Right now we must WIN.
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)still_one
(91,937 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)We will make sure the democrats you don't like make it through.
Franken quit.
wryter2000
(46,016 posts)I was very disappointed Kamala Harris joined the piling-on, but I'll continue to support her. She's too good to lose.
Azathoth
(4,603 posts)He did a miserable job pushing back on the allegations.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)Azathoth
(4,603 posts)His refusal to stand up for himself made him look guilty as hell. He wouldn't deny anything, he wouldn't tell his side of the story, and he would only say cryptic things like "I don't remember it that way." Every new allegation buried him deeper and deeper and all he did was keep his head down as the dirt covered him. It was a master class in how not to respond to a scandal.
By the time KG called for him to go, he was already underwater. If he had stood up for himself from the beginning, he would have been in a much stronger position to resist those calls (which means those calls probably wouldn't have been made in the first place.)
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)he never had the benefit of due process, so let's just leave it at that.
KG is on her own as far as I'm concerned.
hueymahl
(2,414 posts)This is exactly the kind of message that needs to be sent. It won't have any material effect on their campaigns, but those behind this travesty need to be called out again now that emotions are not as high.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Senator Franken should resign. I consider Senator Franken a dear friend and greatly respect his accomplishments, but he has a higher obligation to his constituents and the Senate, and he should step down immediately." Chuck Schumer
"While Senator Franken is entitled to have the Ethics Committee conclude its review, I believe it would be better for our country if he sent a clear message that any kind of mistreatment of women in our society isnt acceptable by stepping aside to let someone else serve." Kirsten Gillibrand
"Today, I am calling on my colleague Al Franken to step aside. Ive struggled with this decision because hes been a good Senator and I consider him a friend. But that cannot excuse his behavior and his mistreatment of women." Mazie Hirono
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"I just learned of the latest, disturbing allegation against Senator Franken. While the facts from case to case can differ, and while there are sound reasons for weighing evidence in such cases in a deliberate and carefully considered process, Senator Frankens situation has become untenable. I am concerned that even a prompt Ethics Committee investigation and recommendations will not come soon enough. He has to step aside. I hope as a nation that we are beginning to come to terms with the systemic problem of sexual harassment and assault, but we still have a long way to go" Patrick Leahy
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I am deeply disappointed by Senator Frankens behavior. He must step aside. To all those across America who have come forward to share their stories over the past few months: thank you. Your courage and strength in driving this long-overdue national conversation is awe-inspiring. As national leaders, we must hold ourselves to a higher standard and we must lead by example to ensure every person is treated with the dignity and respect they deserve. This isnt about Democrats or Republicans, its about our society. Its about who we are as a people and the kind of country we want our daughters and our sons to grow up in." Tammy Duckworth
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"I think he should resign." Elizabeth Warren
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"The increasing number of women coming forward suggests a pattern of repeated harassment and unacceptable behavior that is impossible to ignore. Senator Franken has denied some of these allegations and has the right to continue to seek a process through the Ethics Committee, but I believe the best course of action for him right now is to step down, as I expect he will do tomorrow." Chris Murphy
"I think it's time for him to step down." Cory Booker
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I think Senator Franken should resign. The accumulating accusations and acknowledgment that inappropriate behavior took place cannot be countenanced. Sexual harassment must not be tolerated and this is part of a larger national discussion that is long overdue and must lead to fundamental change and lasting progress." Jack Reed
Sen. Franken has said that he will be making an announcement about his political future tomorrow. The right thing is for him to resign. We are now at a crossroads in American culture. And it is an important one. The way we treat women in our country has been abysmal in almost every way. We are finally addressing the issue of sexual harassment, and we need to get it right. But the conversation we are having now is only the tip of the iceberg. It needs to be an ongoing movement of women and men that includes a national discussion about sexism, sexual harassment, objectification, inequality and abuse of power. Bernie Sanders
Sexual harassment is never acceptable. I agree with a majority of the Democratic senators that Sen. Franken should step aside. Bill Nelson
Joe Manchin was in Frankens corner the whole time. It's good to know some will be funding the shit out of his next campaign.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement on Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.):
"Sen. Franken has said that he will be making an announcement about his political future tomorrow. The right thing is for him to resign.
Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren joined the chorus of Democratic senators calling for Minnesota Democrat Al Franken to resign in the wake of new sexual harassment allegations, including fellow Senator Ed Markey.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Manchin was vocally opposed to Franken stepping down.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Just curious why he stood separate from the others
Thanks
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)"Friends don't let friends resign from the U.S. Senate amid sexual misconduct allegations, according to Sen. Joe Manchin."
(My bold type emphasis)
The loss of Franken in the Senate was/still is heartbreaking for many reasons
I wish he could unresign as well.
Thanks NCTraveler
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disndat
(1,887 posts)What happened to *Due Process*?
KG is despicable.
Clearly she pushed herself to the head of the line with her sharp elbows.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"What happened to *Due Process*? "
You can't be serious with that comment.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)Any chance at due process was destroyed by almost every Democratic Senator calling for his resignation before there was an investigation. No one would want to face a jury where all jurors already publicly declared you guilty before the trial.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That comment cannot be serious. It shows a complete lack of understanding as to what due process is.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)conducted the investigation already declared him guilty. It is not due process or justice when those tasked with investigating the charges already declare someone guilty period.
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)I'm sure I will need to revisit their words regarding personal responsibility soon, and probably often.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)There's no doubt that Franken got pinched by the right here, Leeann Tweeden is practically a Hannity fangirl, but there wouldn't be a controversy at all if Franken actually hadn't done those things.
He fell on his sword for the greater good of the party, to not be a distraction as we try to unseat the GOP. It sucks, but Buell and her money can fuck right off. The party will be fine.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)haven't we already learned how it turns out and hurts us if we are divided on the left? Wake up people. It's about beating the crap out of the repubs in November. It's not about agreeing with a rich Dem who is now upset because things didn't go her way. Get real. How old are you folks? repubs love folks like you all.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Maybe you're not old enough yet, to recognize a political hit job when you see one.
SCantiGOP
(13,855 posts)for the Republican Party. Every loss of a dollar of funding and every crack in a unified front for the Democratic Party is a net gain for the GOP.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)Folks here seem to have learned nothing from Nov 2016.
joanbarnes
(1,715 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and other republican scum like Greitens?
I sure as hell don't see that on my evening news show!
Somewhere Roger Stone and his friend Leeann Tweeden are !!!!!!
poboy2
(2,078 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Democrats doing what the right wing GOPers couldn't.
Take out one of the most liberal senators in Congress!
pamdb
(1,331 posts)I keep getting emails from Gillibrand asking for money and I keep
replying that I will never forgive her for being, I think, the driving force in forcing Al Franken to resign. I still think he shouldn't have resigned. I will never give her any money. If she ends up on the 2020
ticket I think that will be a BIG mistake. I'll vote for the ticket because
I hate trump and the republicans, but I won't support her, it would be just because she's a part of the ticket. I really hope the democrats do not put her on the presidential ticket.
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I agree with Ms Buell 100% and I blame Kirsten Gillibrand for starting it. I saw Al Franken on Congress floor and I was amazed at his ability to fight for our rights and values and the first thing you know, Gillibrand went after him. That was so disgusting - Al Franken was a comedian for crying out loud and would do any thing for a laugh. It did not mean he had ulterior motives. Just wait, Gillibrand will be running for President!! I feel she had political aspirations and that is why she went after Mr. Al!!
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)It is difficult enough fighting off attacks by the RW in all it's forms, but when Dem Senators like Kirsten Gillibrand start undermining our Best and Brightest and most vocal senators, there must be a price to pay.
Freethinker65
(9,928 posts)aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)Actually I lie, it has NOT been nice to know you!!
TomCADem
(17,378 posts)Nt
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)diane in sf
(3,904 posts)Their bogus claims afterward?
Snackshack
(2,540 posts)Prerogative.
The bigger picture here is to get back a majority in at least one chamber in order to have some measure of check and balance so this hurts that but it is her money and her decision and she has every right to feel the way she does.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)rainin
(3,010 posts)I support this donor.
OTOH, why do we settle for living in a country where a "donor" has any more influence than a voter? Her money makes her voice so much louder than yours or mine. That should anger every democrat.
radhika
(1,008 posts)Railroaded Franken for her ego, with no value rendered to the issues of harassment. I believe she made a grab for alpha-spot, and thought this would catapult her to a front runner. Ain't gonna work.
If she had exploited the #MEETOO moment to challenge the entire Senate to come up with common, across-the-board gradated standard that would apply them to any legislator, that's one thing. If the Pugs refused to work with her on that, use that against them and simply give Franken a slap on the hand pending a fair policy.
But her way, nothing was gained, and someone valuable was lost just when the nation needs fearless Progressive voices. Thinking back to his challenge to Session, for example.
dembotoz
(16,734 posts)HenryWallace
(332 posts)Just what the Democratic Party needs; another rich, entitled donor.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,057 posts)Where the fuck did that come from? Damn, that kind of wording pisses me off.
ananda
(28,779 posts)Give to the good ones who don't railroad their own!!!!
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)Franken got shafted by fellow Democrats
heaven05
(18,124 posts)for unjustly railroading Al. Franken. Oh well, no tears shed here.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)It takes a big person to do what he did. If the big $$$ donor can't see it, the hell with her.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Paladin
(28,202 posts)An official censure would have been adequate punishment. We could really, really use Franken, right now.
Progressive dog
(6,861 posts)"vigilantes on a rampage". LoL
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)IMO.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Who knew
Owl
(3,629 posts)bdamomma
(63,650 posts)you play with fire (in this case the outing of a wonderful Senator) you get burnt.