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[Gothmog]

1. The lynching of Joy Ann Reid by the Bernie left

The attacks on Joy Reid by certain groups are sad https://medium.com/@investigator_21314/the-lynching-of-joy-ann-reid-by-the-bernie-left-c7de005a19fb

For almost a year now, a very vocal segment of Bernie Sanders supporters have harassed and stalked black activists, journalists and contributors on Twitter and other social media sites. Behind this campaign was the fact that a lot of black voters didn’t vote for Bernie, which was met with incredible anger by a part of the Bernie left.

Instead of analyzing why POC were critical of Bernie, or why Bernie refused to campaign among POC, they started to harass and intimidate black Twitter users.

The list of victims to this aggressive crowd of Bernie supporters is long by now: Joy Ann Reid, Donna Brazile, Jehmu Greene, Neera Tanden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Yamiche Alcindor, Zerlina Maxwell, and less known Twitter users: Angry Black Lady (Imani Gandy), T_FisherKing, Mr Dane/ Mr Weeks, Sir James, Ange_Amene, Bravenak and many, many more.

What these people have in common is that

A: they’re POC,

B: they’re at times very critical of Bernie Sanders.

This in itself is enough for ongoing extreme harassment, stalking, threats, intimidation and worse.

[dalton99a]

5. No way. Because Nina Turner is black!!

[murielm99]

6. LOL

[Gothmog]

46. Joan Walsh has been following and editing Joy for a long time

I trust Joan Walsh and I found these tweets to be helpful

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[Squinch]

51. This is important. Thank you. It would be a good OP.

[Gothmog]

52. Done

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210538372

[Hassin Bin Sober]

65. I have a question for Joan. What about the tweets and blog posts She admits were homophobic...

..... and posted by her?

Perhaps Joan Walsh can point out where she stepped in and took action regarding the admitted posts from several years ago,

[Gothmog]

66. I will try to get Joan to answer this if you answer my question

I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention. On the first night, my whip informed us that in 15 to 30 minutes, the Sanders delegates would stage a mass booing of Congressman John Lewis. This was a pre-planned stunt by the Sanders delegates that even the Clinton campaign knew about. I later found out that Sanders was asked to stop this stunt and refused.

Can you answer:

1. Why did Sanders support or not try to stop this stunt?
2. Do you think that it would be appropriate to use the video of this stunt if Sanders runs in 2020 together with the video of Sanders delegates bragging how happy they were to attack Congressman John Lewis? For example quotes from these JPR posters would be fun to use https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/hey-john-lewis-karmas-a-mf-aint-it/

My whip is working for the Texas Democratic Party and he would have a great time describing this stunt.

[leftynyc]

9. WRONG

I'm about as far as possible from being a berniebro. Have all the people closing their eyes to support a liberal come across this yet?

https://www.mediaite.com/online/joy-reids-cyber-security-expert-bragged-about-affiliations-with-neo-nazis/

[uponit7771]

28. Right, so Reid supports Neo Nazis?!!? folk are sKeered and its showing

[leftynyc]

33. So first I'm accused of being

a bernie bro (the most laughable thing I've ever been called) and now I'm scared. That's quite a defense you've come up with. Should do wonders for her career.

[uponit7771]

34. Naw, you posted some shit without comment about her lawyer supporting a neo naiz grouip

.... which brings up a rational question about what you think of her

[leftynyc]

35. I love Joy

and watch her (and dvr her when I can't). I simply want the TRUTH and I've seen the "I've been hacked" come back to bite liberals on the ass far too many times to simply believe it. She also should be FAR, FAR, FAR more careful of who she uses to defend her. If this weren't a liberal, you'd feel the exact same way.

[Gothmog]

42. Here are some facts for you to ignore or not be able to understand

Link to tweet

[EffieBlack]

47. This doesn't look like Joy is just throwing out a lame excuse

There's some there there.

[Gothmog]

49. Agreed

[leftynyc]

50. My, my, my - aren't you defensive

Any particular reason? I've made zero accusations and no statements other than I'm looking for the truth. That seems to be enough to elicit nothing but accusations from you. Have I mentioned how much I love the ignore feature here?

[Gothmog]

63. The Joy Reid Saga: The Wayback Machine cannot guarantee authenticity

The wayback machine does not guarantee anything https://burningbird.net/the-joy-reid-saga-the-wayback-machine-cannot-guarantee-authenticity/#.WuDw69w6PTy.twitter

The same cannot be said for the actual Wayback Machine archives.

The Wayback Machine is an invaluable historical record of the web. Through it, I’ve been able to recover past writings lost because of all the many changes I’ve made to my web site. It’s a wonderful way of exploring the web’s history.

However, the Wayback Machine is not, and never has been, a definitive source of the authenticity of what it captures on the web. It has access to a web page at a specific location at a specific time…but no special privilege that allows it to determine the authenticity of the author of the content in the page.

As noted by Chris Butler at the Internet Archives, home organization for the Wayback Machine:

When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

Pages archived at different dates and by different entities... This statement is key to understanding the difference between Wayback Machine’s archival functionality as separate from the media’s assumption of Wayback Machine as Super Authenticator, able to leap tall metadata with a single bound!

[Gothmog]

41. No you are wrong

Link to tweet

[leftynyc]

48. And what exactly am I wrong about?

Unlike so many here bashing anyone who doesn't toe the line, I made no accusations. But you knew that already, didn't you?

[mcar]

38. Greenwald is getting his ass handed to him on Twitter

over this. People reposting his anti immigrant tweets, etc.

[Gothmog]

2. Joy Reid will stay on air at MSNBC amid outcry over alleged anti-gay posts

This is good news https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/25/joy-reid-anti-gay-posts-550213

Popular MSNBC host Joy Reid will remain on the air amid a controversy over what appear to be old posts expressing anti-gay views on her now-defunct personal blog, an NBC spokesperson said.

Reid says her blog was hacked to include the posts, which are dated in the mid- to late-2000s and resurfaced last week when Twitter user @Jamie_Maz and Mediaite highlighted them.


The NBC spokesperson, who declined to be named, said that Reid has referred the matter to law enforcement and that the network would wait for that process to play out before taking any action.

NBC representatives declined to say whether the network itself will investigate the posts. Reid did not reply immediately to a request for comment. Neither did the FBI, though it does not typically confirm or deny investigations.

Reid hosts a two-hour show on MSNBC on Saturday and Sunday mornings, though her status as a hero to the left has given her a larger profile. The alleged remarks, however, have prompted fierce backlash. PFLAG National, an LGBT advocacy group, rescinded Reid’s Straight for Equality in Media award on Tuesday.

[meow2u3]

44. I think those old blog posts might be "tainted"

Russkie trolls are infamous for altering material to smear their targets. Someone might want to look into such posts.

[samir.g]

3. Under the bus she goes

right next to Al Franken.

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. Unlike pretty much everyone else, I believe in second changes and change.

which makes it unnecessary to spout BULLSHIT that someone hacked her material.

If coverups are worse than crimes, worse still is a false rationalization.

[LanternWaste]

13. There's the self-laudatory missive I've come to expect.

"Unlike pretty much everyone else..."

There's the self-laudatory missive at the expense of "pretty much every one else" I was expecting. Because without that, who else would praise our alleged critical thinking skills.

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. I stand by that statement nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. I don't have a problem with that... everyone makes mistakes and people do change...

That's fine, as long as Joy didn't repeat those earlier mistakes and, therefore, she's being honest about the hacking.

In any case, Joy certainly deserves due process to allow her to make her case, like anyone accused of wrong doing... unless your name is Al Franken.

[stonecutter357]

4. #facknews !

[R B Garr]

7. People should be fired from their jobs for old Facebook posts, too.

U betcha!

And creepy writings from any man about a woman fantasizing about being raped by three men simultaneously! Especially them!

[comradebillyboy]

14. I'm sure those writings will get a bit more scrutiny next year.

[R B Garr]

39. They should. They are quite offensive, among other things

they reveal.....

[bettyellen]

8. After these same people touted creatively edited emails to sink a Dem, you trust them? Yeah, nope.

Spare me the “leaks” from this Lynch mob.

[EffieBlack]

11. Oh, please

You KNOW she wasn't hacked? Well, la-dee-da for you.

I call bullshit on your accusation of "selective" standards.

Good Lord, if we assumed that everyone who had homophobic views 10, 15 or 20 years ago must now be shunned, we'd be nowhere. People make mistakes and then, hopefully, evolve and then do better. Supporting people who have evolved and grown is not "selective support." It's sanity.

And I'm sure that, being a human being, you were not perfect 10 or 20 years ago and probably wouldn't appreciate being judged on how you thought and behaved then.

So please spare us your sanctimonious judgments about the "standards" of those of us who stand by a brilliant and committed and totally progressive African-American woman who kicks Republicans asses, uses her power, privilege and platform to fiercely stand up for and eloquently speak up for marginalized people - including LGBTQs - and, as such, has a huge target on her back, put there by the very people who are coming at her now and who depend upon and revel in the support of myopic purity police who eagerly do their bidding for them (and most of whom never bother to lift a finger to actually DO anything to advance the cause of civil rights for anyone outside of their own limited circle, beyond telling those of us who actually fight the fight day in and day out what we're doing wrong).

[Dreamer Tatum]

12. You just proved beyond doubt that your standards are selective

I'm just suggesting that you own it.

[EffieBlack]

17. And I'm suggesting you don't even think about coming at me on this.

Trust me.

[Dreamer Tatum]

18. Or what? You'll be angry? Pfft.

Come at me.

Guess what? I'm THINKING about it!

[Hekate]

27. Give it up. Own your own preconceptions while you're at it.

[uponit7771]

29. Or you'll be called a hypocrite yourself? You're not going to make the case Reid is a homophobe

[Demsrule86]

57. It is quite likely she was hacked and with wiki and Greenwald involved...I am susupicious. I love

Joy...everyone sent twitter messages to MSNBC...so they will stand by her.

[Adrahil]

15. Are you suggesting that folks supporting her are not being intellectually honest?

Just curious where you are going with this?

[comradebillyboy]

20. Only a select few are pure enough...

[Adrahil]

22. Yeah, apparently..... Gotta silence a strong, black, female voice. NT

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. Not me. I can accept that she's changed.

But she was a homophobe, and that is a fact.

[uponit7771]

30. Your point being? thx in advance

[Adrahil]

31. I think the world is more complicated than that.

Our culture has shifted significantly in my lifetime.

I remember sitting there with my gay friend laughing my ass at Eddie Murphy's "Gay Honeymooners" sketch. Neither one of us considered it homophobic then. It makes me cringe now, and it is certainly homophobic by today's standards.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one who even recently has speculated that virulently homophobic men are "in the closet." As the old sensibilities die out, that feels a little wrong now, but I am not comfortable saying that anyone who ever said it homophobic.

I just don't see good this thread accomplishes.

[uponit7771]

32. +1

[Demsrule86]

58. She doesn't love Bernie and she believes the Russians lost us the general and not that Hillary was

at fault...off with her head. The above is true and sarcastic!

[comradebillyboy]

19. MSNBC is a very white place. If they fire Joy it will be

even whiter.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. What does that have to do with whether Joy was hacked or not? That's the only issue for me...

If that's what happened, I don't see a huge problem... if, however, she lied to hide her continuing homophobic disposition - and I START by giving her the benefit of the doubt - then there IS a problem, and there should be repercussions.

How about a little due process before jumping to conclusions or deciding what the verdict should be?

[NCTraveler]

59. You should have an enormous problem if she was hacked. Nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Yes... I would indeed!! What I tried to say, inartfully, is I wouldn't have a problem with HER...

if her blog was hacked. She's already apologized for past homophobic statements and I have know reason to doubt her sincerity.

I give Joy the benefit of the doubt that she's being honest - as I have yet to see any evidence that she's not - and, therefore, assuming her blog was hacked, then DAMN RIGHT, I have a HUGE problem with that!! We should all come together in her defense and condemn those responsible. If, however, it later turns out there was no hack... then that's a different problem.

I hope that clarifies things.

[LexVegas]

25. ...

[FreeState]

36. The amount of heterosexual privilege in this thread is astounding n/t

[Azathoth]

37. I don't even care about the homophobia. But if she's lying about the "hacking"

and attempting to convince people that she didn't write things she actually wrote, then she's a liar and a fraud.

The fact that she isn't saying specifically which posts were "hacked" is troublesome, almost as if she wants plausible deniability to later say "Well, I never claimed that *this* specific post wasn't mine."

[Maven]

40. Where is your thread condemning Tulsi Gabbard for her homophobia?

Link to tweet

[MicaelS]

45. OK. I support Joy Reid. There.

And I own it, too. People can make mistakes and change. I would hate to have my old posts from 15 years ago on other websites under a different screen name brought up here.

The real question is WHY are people digging up shit from years ago? And why are YOU promoting it?

[TheSmarterDog]

53. .

[Demsrule86]

54. I think it is entirely possible it was hacked...and the fact that Wiki and Sanders supporters who

hate her are involved makes me wonder.,,not to mention Greenwald. But as I evolved on the issue I don't care one way or the other.

[Kirk Lover]

55. How about I don't even care!!

[NCTraveler]

56. People are flawed.

Clinton has made bigoted comments. Sanders has gone full on sexist.

They battled in the Democratic primaries for our votes.

Supporting people who have listened and changed isn’t as negative as you make it out to be.

[ecstatic]

60. Premise rejected. I knew something like this would happen when she took on Mrs. Bernie

I became VERY worried about a coordinated takedown attempt. So this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. I'll continue to believe Joy over any BoB trolls, any day of the week.

[radius777]

62. this is a cynical alt-left hit job

whether the alleged comments are authentic or not.

Lest we forget that mainstream views on homosexuality changed drastically in the mid 2000's or so.

-Even on DU, during the 2004 election, it was normal to refer to milquetoast Dems as 'Pink Tu Tu Democrats' and there were all types of gifs/memes showing them dancing around. That wouldn't be acceptable now.

-Many of liberals back then used to openly mock Ann Coulter in a transphobic fashion.

It's revisionist history to take our values of 2018 and project them backward to the early and mid 2000's.

Also keep in mind such homophobic comments were/are common amongst the younger generations. What is going to happen when they start running for office and all of those 'that's gay' (typical Millennial phrase) type comments and worse come up?

In general I'm not a fan of going back far in the past and plucking comments or life phases here and there (even when it comes to Bernie, the sex stuff he wrote imo was him trying to be some enlightened hippy) because people change... that is the mark of anyone with a brain.. they go through phases and change as new info and experience comes in. That should be a quality we want. (note that Elizabeth Warren was a die hard Reagan Repub before becoming a darling of the left, if she's allowed to evolve why not Joy?)

Ultimately the LGBTQ community will have to decide whether it forgives Joy or not, it's not up to us straights, but be certain about one thing - the alt-left (many of whom sympathize with Trump and the deplorables) are cynically using this to divide Dems and bring down a powerful WoC voice.

[melman]

64. Nope

'It's revisionist history to take our values of 2018 and project them backward to the early and mid 2000's. '


Of all the bullshit excuses and justifications about this, this is the one that bothers me most.

We weren't all homophobes ten years ago. I know for damn sure I wasn't. It's not okay now and it wasn't okay then.

And btw, Joy Reid was in her late 30s ten years ago. This isn't some youthful indiscretion. She was almost 40

[scarletlib]

67. FYI

2 items: in a thread on DU a twitter feed by Joan Walsh of the Nation is posted. She states she has known Joy's work for 17 yrs and read her blog back in the days. She points out that there are no comments or feedback on these posts unlike the others. She also states she doesn't remember any posts such as these but says 17 yrs is a long time.

Item 2: Malcolm Nance on Stephnie Miller talked about this today. He points out the false information was sent to Rachel Maddow to try to entrap her and ruin her reputation. He says this is the type of thing the Russians can and will do and it is highly likely this is just such an attempt to take down another liberal voice. He also said he thinks the same thing was done to Al Franken. So we should all not be so quick to condemn and maybe look for other motives by other actors.