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The new round of posts contain a lot of cliche gay jokes about Charlie Crist and others, concerns that adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them into the lifestyle, and commentary like part of the intrinsic nature of straightness is that the idea of homosexual sex is ... well ... gross ... even if you think that gay people are perfectly lovely individuals.
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Among the implausible factors is that for Reids story to be correct, someone would have had to hack her blog back in the 00s, but no one, including Reid herself, noticed the invalid posts.
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The Internet rots faster than anyone could have guessed. Almost every word written on the web gets flushed down the memory hole, sinking into obscurity; its basically impossible to find any reference to the original Reid Report just using Google.
But, as Joy Reid is finding out, all it takes is one person to chisel electronic words into a more permanent form.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/the-evidence-is-not-with-joy-reid/558935/
LexVegas
(6,373 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)David__77
(23,863 posts)...
David__77
(23,863 posts)Claim: "adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them 'into the lifestyle.'"
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Gothmog
(152,199 posts)I was very sad to see Joan Walsh leave MSNBC. I have been following Joan Walsh for a very long time and I have a great deal of confidence in her judgment. Joan Walsh has been following Joy Reid for a long time and has published Joy Reid. Based on her long experience with Joy Reid, Joan Walsh does not believe the reports on Reid's alleged homophobic remarks
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Walsh is honest to admit that she has not read everything that Joy Reid has posted but she does have a good feel for who Joy Reid is.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)People accepting the "Joy is evil" story are being played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=ioBhGmfYDKo
CentralMass
(15,440 posts)to make a strong case that tampering was not done.
I am not passing judgment until the dust clears.
Gothmog
(152,199 posts)The wayback machine does not guarantee anything https://burningbird.net/the-joy-reid-saga-the-wayback-machine-cannot-guarantee-authenticity/#.WuDw69w6PTy.twitter
The Wayback Machine is an invaluable historical record of the web. Through it, Ive been able to recover past writings lost because of all the many changes Ive made to my web site. Its a wonderful way of exploring the webs history.
However, the Wayback Machine is not, and never has been, a definitive source of the authenticity of what it captures on the web. It has access to a web page at a specific location at a specific time but no special privilege that allows it to determine the authenticity of the author of the content in the page.
As noted by Chris Butler at the Internet Archives, home organization for the Wayback Machine:
When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.
Pages archived at different dates and by different entities... This statement is key to understanding the difference between Wayback Machines archival functionality as separate from the medias assumption of Wayback Machine as Super Authenticator, able to leap tall metadata with a single bound!
David__77
(23,863 posts)If, on the other hand, she did say those things and then subsequently denied saying them, then I hope she acknowledges that.
pnwmom
(109,391 posts)weren't followed by any posts condemning the statements?
No one responded to these posts in real time. That seems very unlikely to me.
David__77
(23,863 posts)I don't know the frequency of comments on posts that she made around that time.
emulatorloo
(45,484 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,597 posts)People keep saying that. Where are the rely pages reflecting no replies?
pnwmom
(109,391 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,597 posts)pnwmom
(109,391 posts)and yet there was never an uproar till NOW?
LexVegas
(6,373 posts)marble falls
(60,302 posts)trof
(54,270 posts)David__77
(23,863 posts)There is a claim: "adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them into the lifestyle."
Now, I'm hopeful that whoever authored such a claim chooses to acknowledge such.
lapucelle
(19,495 posts)Why are so many people in such a rush to condemn Joy? Cui bene?
Demonaut
(9,034 posts)PDittie
(8,322 posts)Did you also claim someone hacked your blog and wrote those ignorant things when they were recently made public?
NightWatcher
(39,353 posts)This is a setup for going after Kamala Harris or any Democratic woman.
Don't take the russian bot bait.
David__77
(23,863 posts)"adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them into the lifestyle,"
"part of the intrinsic nature of straightness is that the idea of homosexual sex is ... well ... gross ... even if you think that gay people are perfectly lovely individuals."
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m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)I served on your jury.
peabody
(445 posts)years ago. I'm just care about where she stands now and it's clearly on the side of progressives. So I'm sorry you have a problem with her; but right now she certainly isn't a problem but people trying to take down a strong progressive black woman is--like you.
David__77
(23,863 posts)If she did make the comments and doesn't agree with them now, great!
I do think that the comments are part of the story.
peabody
(445 posts)We need all the allies we can get--especially ones that fight back hard against the right. Instead of trying to divide us and take down a progressive, unite instead and focus on the people that really are doing harm to this country. Posts like this only acts to divide and weaken us. Stop helping the Russians do their job!
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Thanks.
David__77
(23,863 posts)The author is identified at the link.
George II
(67,782 posts)David__77
(23,863 posts)I don't know.
pnwmom
(109,391 posts)You'd think that would have happened in real time, if this were real.
At least someone would have objected.
George II
(67,782 posts)....is VERY suspicious.
mcar
(43,198 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)If she learned that in December why didn't she say so then? Why wait until now?
I guess it makes sense though, I mean it's not as if she was in the news in December for this exact same thing...oh wait she totally was!
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Two different incidents involving the same kinds of posts on the same blog. Thus...the same thing.
George II
(67,782 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Do you really want to claim they are the same?
She was in the new for homophobic blog posts back in December. And she is again in the news for homophobic blog posts. Same thing.
MaryMagdaline
(7,586 posts)However, the non-sequitur and dangling modifier within the sentence attributed to Joy Reid simply goes not ring true. Joy never makes grammatical or logical errors while talking on the fly. Would never happen in written form.
TomSlick
(11,598 posts)Is there anyone not working for Wikileaks or Breitbart that has claimed to have read the supposed post in real time? Can anyone credible say they read it before it was "discovered" ten years after the date of the alleged post?
George II
(67,782 posts)....makes one wonder.
uponit7771
(91,170 posts)Let someone say something out and out homophobic here, there would be a crap storm then a hide.
Yes, there's something not right
blogslut
(38,477 posts)Someone guessed her old Blogger password, logged in and altered old entries. I'm not sure that sort of manipulation would show up on the Wayback Machine.
uponit7771
(91,170 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)I didn't know any better but I have evolved as have most people whom I know.
If this makes me a bad person, that I had to evolve, then I am a bad person. The moving finger writes and having writ moves on. Nor all thy piety nor thy wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line. Nor all thy tears wash out.a word of it.
I don't want to lose Joy Reid. Let's not do that.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)He was Phylis Schafley's mentor.
George II
(67,782 posts)Docreed2003
(17,498 posts)A beautiful quote from the Rubáiyát...thank you!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)And Glen Greenwald was leading the charge then too. @#$% that guy.
musette_sf
(10,297 posts)wonder why?
janterry
(4,429 posts)I'll wait and see what her next move is. But the evidence is most definitely not with her.
David__77
(23,863 posts)...
janterry
(4,429 posts)uponit7771
(91,170 posts)... that a well known blogger on a progressive site doesn't have any comments associated with offensive postings is highly improbable.
There's more evidence that there's a hack than not
ecstatic
(34,016 posts)about her blog being altered.
Furthermore, the Internet "archive" has several vulnerabilities that have not yet been fixed. Data can be altered, deleted, and corrupted.
https://repository.wellesley.edu/scholarship/158/
http://labs.rhizome.org/presentations/security.html#/
David__77
(23,863 posts)If she didnt make them, great!
Someone or some group did make disparaging comments about gay people.
melman
(7,681 posts)Have a link for that?
ecstatic
(34,016 posts)In his statement, Nichols said that he "discovered that login information used to access the blog was available on the Dark Web and that fraudulent entries -- featuring offensive statements -- were entered with suspicious formatting and time stamps."
"At no time has Ms. Reid claimed that the Wayback Machine was hacked, though early in our investigation, we were made aware of a breach at archive.org which may have correlated with the fraudulent blog posts we observed on their website," Nichols said. "We simply wanted to ascertain whether that breach was related to the compromising of Ms. Reid's blog."
The MSNBC spokesperson also provided letters sent in December from Reid's attorney to Alphabet, the parent company of Google, which owned the site on which Reid's blog was hosted at the time of the disputed posts, and Internet Archive, which runs the Wayback Machine, to alert the companies of the alleged hacking. CNNMoney has reached out to Alphabet for comment. The MSNBC spokesperson did not respond to a follow-up inquiry regarding Alphabet's response.
Nichols said that many of the posts in question were published at a time when Reid was hosting a radio show, and that the "text and visual styling was inconsistent with her original entries."
He added that "some of the recently circulated posts were not even on the site at any time, suggesting that these instances may be the result of screenshot manipulation."
Reid's attorney, John H. Reichman, highlighted what he said was another discrepancy in his letters to the companies, pointing out that Reid published posts on January 10, 2006 about the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito at 10:18 a.m., 11:34 a.m. and 11:41 a.m., but that the archive showed what Reichman described as a "lengthy, fraudulent entry" at 11:28 a.m.
"Ms. Reid did not have the superhuman blogging skills needed to do all of these posts simultaneously," Reichman wrote.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/25/media/joy-reid-msnbc-host-wayback-machine/index.html
Again, in my other post, the security holes specifically related to the Wayback Machine have already been documented (and demonstrated) by researchers at Wellesley. People are incorrectly assuming that the archive is foolproof evidence, and that is not the case. People should become educated on this type of attack so it doesn't interfere with our upcoming elections. https://repository.wellesley.edu/scholarship/158/
melman
(7,681 posts)That they looked into it and found that it's true the blog was altered. That's what I thought.
uponit7771
(91,170 posts)... Reid didn't come out of nowhere, she was highly known before going on MSNBC