Don't take the family to 'Infinity War'!! SPOILERS!!

[Freelancer]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by muriel_volestrangler (a host of the General Discussion forum).

WTF MARVEL???

If you don't want to walk out with crying grand kids, telling them "Don't cry. Don't cry. Spider man and all the others won't stay dead. I promise. The next movie will fix everything." THEN, STAY THE F AWAY FROM THIS MOVIE!!!

We lingered to see past the end credits, to see if there was something positive. NOPE!!! The only past credits scene that should have been made is one of the writers, producers and the director of this POS movie disappearing in a cloud of ash (makes sense in the movie context).

Can you tell that I'm pissed?

[Blue_Adept]

1. Yes, shield the kids!

Never mind that comic books read by kids have killed off characters for decades!

[FBaggins]

2. Just show them the schedule for movie releases next year

The next Spider Man sequel is already on the release schedule:

[TeamPooka]

36. or explain how it's just a movie and the difference between fiction and real life.

[LostOne4Ever]

3. They died and came back in the comics too. Nt

[Blue_Adept]

4. I hope nobody takes kids to see Star Wars movies.

[LostOne4Ever]

8. Or the original cartoon transformers movie... nt

[Dave Starsky]

39. Ha ha! I saw that when it came out.

Kids were literally screaming and crying in the audience, while their parents sat there helpless. They all probably still have PTSD from it.

[tazkcmo]

6. Goodness

Try Old Yeller. The children will be o.k.

[poboy2]

20. That one doesn't end so well either. He wants Heidi. -nt

[Oneironaut]

34. I was bawling after that book. I still wouldn't be able to read it again.

That description of the dogs dying - it's like a burned blister on my brain after all these years.

[Blue_Adept]

7. On a more serious response here

I've spent years working with my kids with a film education program because film is my life and my passion. I really started them on more serious films than kiddie stuff since they were eight and I've talked on DU before about how I've worked it with them and engaged with them.

I don't know how old your child is.

But be damn proud of them that they're crying. Because they've made a connection with something and it made an impact on them. A character death didn't just bounce off of them like nothing and they moved on.

They're invested in a story and its characters.

Talk with them about it. Come up with ideas ~with~ them about how it could be resolved. How those characters could come back. How those that survived would deal with it.

Don't just be angry at the movie, use it as a teaching lesson for them.

And if you are angry, use it as a teaching lesson for yourself as well. Some films need to be seen by parents first to ensure that they're old enough to handle it and that you want them to see it. There are also lots of parents guides out there for it.

Marvel has not been childrens films for its entire run. This is not new. Look at the sex and violence of Iron Man in 2008. Characters that died along the way in Avengers: Age of Ultron. The losses in Civil War and how characters there dealt with the loss through anger but found another way, which resulted in what we got with the Black Panther film.

[Blue_Adept]

13. But these kinds of things are what the comics and the films are built upon

Superheroes have almost always been like this. They're the "gods of the modern age" when it comes to storytelling, morality, and thinking about the big picture in so many things.

I mean, look at the last couple of films and what they've covered with Thor: Ragnarok delving into colonialism and then everything that Black Panther has represented about people that lost their heritage and history and have struggled for centuries to find their place in the world.

[DRoseDARs]

15. This thread is amazing.

I hope you can talk them down from the ledge. *Just don't tell them Superman died in 92-93 in the comics and again in 2016 in film. You might shatter them...*

[Blue_Adept]

16. I hope amazing in a good way?

I find superhero and star wars films easy to talk about because they are so accessible but incredibly layered.

The films I really enjoy talking about are the ones that fewer people see and require some real insight into self and how you perceive storytelling (I still rave over Ex Machina in combination with a review that will redefine how you view film).

A lot of it is just that I've always loved comics because of how inspirational they are and because they provide a true darkness before the dawn experience in a way that few others do (even with the knowledge that reboots and dead characters never stay dead).

[DRoseDARs]

18. Amazing in the "Really?" way.

I have to wonder if this is the first exposure the OP has had to the world of comic book heroes. Hell, Superman died (and came back) 2 years ago in film. Kinda hard to have avoided THAT news. Or in 92-93 when he was killed (and came back) in the print comics. And I would hope every parent knows Bambi's mom was shot and killed by the hunter. Kids might not realize, but yep very dead.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth is a curious sight. I can chalk it up to a protective response to their upset child, no parent wants a movie to make their child cry because you're there to be entertained not devastated, but methinks the thread was a bit overboard.

[Blue_Adept]

14. I won't waste any more of your time though

While I know my initial answer was a flip one at the top, I wanted to really provide something more about it but if it's just bullshit and crap to you I won't waste your time any further.

[Tipperary]

26. Why so rude? Blue gave you a polite reasoned response, and you snap back like that?

When you post an op, people are going to respond the way THEY want, not the way YOU want.

Whatever you do, make sure they never see Bambi!

[avebury]

33. Wow. You are looking for easy entertainment

without taking any responsibility for what you expose your grandchildren to. You are the adult, you cannot place all of the blame on the game on the movie industry. You played a role in what happened.

[TeamPooka]

35. There are simpler movies out there that might be more suited to your situation

All the reviews say this is a dark movie.
It is rated PG-13 implying the more adult themes and content than a PG or G rated film.

[Blue_Adept]

12. I haven't seen this film yet myself

But I read the comics it was based on back in the late 80's or early 90's I think it was. So I knew what the basis of what's going to happen here because it's part and parcel of the character.

My oldest daughter was eight when I took her to see this. It was the first of the "mature" films I took her to where I went into it, knowing who Tony Stark was in the comics over the years, and explaining to her what a playboy/player type of character was. With every film we had a good talk afterward about the various meanings and symbolisms that are included.

That's been ten years and... eighteen movies now? She's graduating high school in a few weeks. These movies have been a part of her life for the past decade along with many of her peers. I cannot express how excited so many of these kids are because this is an EVENT for them. And it's going to challenge them because while there are so many nods and closure points to past films throughout it, it's part of the evolution and growing up with this series.

Nothing stays the same.

Nothing will last.

Change is the only constant.

These films and others that I've introduced my kids to and by talking about it with them and playing devils advocate and challenging them on their assumptions has made them look at things with a sharply critical eye. She's currently doing work in her senior sociology class where each group is presenting a dystopian film and working through talking about the how and why that film is like that and what fascist elements there are in it and how it came to that. You can tell which kids in the class are able to look at things critically and which ones simply watch to be entertained and miss out on all the messages.

Challenge your kids constantly. Home should be a safe place but not a challenge free one.

[Nevernose]

9. Nothing positive?

Crazy talk. DID YOU NOT SEE CAPTAIN MARVEL’S SIGNAL?

The one and only Carol Danvers?

Even kids are smart enough to know that the oldest cliche in comic books is that comic book characters don’t stay dead.

[MattP]

27. Can't wait for Captain Marvel hardly anyone got the signal

But hardly any comic nerds they should have had her do a fly by

[Nevernose]

30. My kid got SUPER angry with me about her

She asked for clarification, I have her the rough details. I told her that Brie Larson had been cast.

The kid freaked hell out about how Hollywood was casting yet another blue eyed blonde haired woman and how these movies needed to be more diverse. I thought “Wow. Look at how far we’ve come as a society in just the last two decades! Gone from an almost complete lack of representation of everyone, except for the occasional Will Smith movie, to Black Panther being one of the most successful movies of all time. The kid’s current favorite superhero movie is Wonder Woman. The actress is Jewish. And the best people in Panther were the women. The Miles Morales movie next year is animated, true, but it’s still a Black Latino Spider-Man. If my kid’s biggestvmedia problem is ‘too many white female superheroes, then comic fans are doing something very right.”

So we’re in a place now that’s far from perfect, but sure as hell radically different from my own childhood.

People miss the importance and impact of the entire comic medium. Lee and Kirby and Ditko and Mantlo and a million others were giving us mainstream representations of marginalized cultures years or decades before anyone else, and addressing serious social issues in casual reader-friendly ways.

Sorry. Side rant.

[Codeine]

17. Superheroes die all the time.

How the hell would that make a kid cry?

[R B Garr]

19. Show them The Avengers where Superman comes back.****

***oops, I meant Justice League.

I was really bummed when Superman died, and I'm a grownup!

Poor dears...it's very traumatic. They should never deal with death in those Superhero movies, except for the bad guys. Stick to the formula. It takes away from the Superhero personas.

You have good advice, though. Sorry you had to go through that.

[Initech]

21. DC Justice League

Marvel = Avengers.

[R B Garr]

23. Thank you! I am only into these by virtue of my hubby who is

the expert and grew up on all these. We always go through this, lol.

What about Aquaman? I'm looking forward to that coming out soon (November?)

[Initech]

24. Aquaman is also DC.

Justice League = Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, The Flash, Green Arrow, Green Lantern, Nightwing



Avengers = Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Incredible Hulk, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch

[R B Garr]

25. Excellent! That is a good visual.

The movies are spectacular and very enjoyable, but I don't always retain the story lines because they all kind of blend together. Happy to see the Black Panther series now!

[TeamPooka]

37. Relax There's no real difference except corporate profits Also Star Wars and Star Trek are basically

the same too.

[Initech]

22. I've been following these movies since the very beginning.

I know a lot of what happens from the story line, if you know that going in you won't be disappointed. But if you're looking to jump head first into Marvel, this is *NOT* the movie to start with.

[tymorial]

28. Bambi's mom

I am fine. Eom.

[Captain Stern]

29. The movie is rated PG-13

PG – Parental Guidance Suggested
Some material may not be suitable for children. Parents urged to give "parental guidance". May contain some material parents might not like for their young children.


It's right there on the poster, and the teasers.

If you took kids that were under 13 to the movie, and they got upset....that's pretty much on you.

If you took kids to that movie that were over 13, and they got upset....well, that's pretty much on you too.

It sounds to me like you're blaming Marvel for your bad decision.

[Devil Child]

31. Now might be a good time to tell them Santa and Easter Bunny aren't real.

[avebury]

32. I saw the movie Thursday night in a packed

theater that included a lot of kids. I didn't hear any of them crying over what happened in the movie.

This is a movie. It is a fictional story. There will be a sequel where I imagine that they will find a way within the plot to go back in time and fix things, thus restoring the characters (or at least most of them).

Before you started taking grandchildren to movies like the Marvel movies it might have helped if you explained to your grandchildren that these are fictional stories and that none of the characters are real. The level of violence in these movies is strictly fake, people are not really being blown up/beat up/killed, cities aren't being destroyed. If your grandchildren were that upset I would have thought that they might have found the level of violence in these movies disturbing. Your grandchildren might have been just plain too young for these movies.

[TDale313]

38. Saw it. Loved it.

Not for young kids. (Hello- PG13.) But total cliff hanger and much will be “fixed” (I suspect many of the deaths will be reversed- particularly the ones that were part of Thanos’ snap. Ones before that may not. I think Tony Stark and/or Cap may sacrifice themselves to fix this) This is the Empire Strikes Back of the Marvel Universe. The Bad Guys won this round. But this is not the end of the story. Totally disagree about the Post Credit scene. It was very much signaling a ray of hope when Nick Fury pages Captain Marvel.

Fwiw- my 13 year old nephew was the one who tipped me off how dark this one was gonna be. I’m not steeped in the comics. Knew a bit. We were talking and I asked him if he was looking forward to Infinity War. He was. I said I knew a lot of people were concerned an Avenger was going to die in the movie. His response? “They’re right. A lot of them. I read the comics”

[muriel_volestrangler]

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