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MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:36 AM Apr 2018

Comedy is a feminist issue

I know many of you were offended by the WHCD comedy routine.

As an aging Baby Boomer, I have to tell you that I was very proud of this young woman last night. I'll try not to make this too cliche about obstacles and barriers, but what I saw is a woman who did a Don Rickles take down on the most vicious, inhumane mob and their media toadies that the WHCD has ever seen.

I hear my nieces about her age talk about women who have no fucks to give and there it was on full display. The generation with 80k in loans is not going to go for the "gentle ribbing" and "mutual respect" the old folks in the sycophant media are calling for today.

In 20 minutes she shamed them on Bear Sterns, Flint, me,too (Fox News is here ... cover your drinks), our lying Press Secretary who burns facts and wears it as eye shadow. It goes on and on.

Here was a woman Court Jester mocking and belittling the NAZIs and their enablers, without the slightest flinch of "I'm so sorry to be mean and crude."

One of the means of controlling girls when I was growing up was the "act like a lady" admonition. Any bad behavior and we were shamed as unladylike. Talking back was unladylike. Protesting was unladylike. Showing up the boys was totally unladylike.

I thought Michelle slapped them with her unladylikeness and shamed them with human values. (Our President is a pussy, he's broke and he's lousy in bed and by the way, why TF are you people sitting here when Flint still has dirty water?)

A milestone. Question her taste, but not her heart.

Not for nothing, she was mobbed by the young attendees to the WHCD after the speech. She's one of them.

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Comedy is a feminist issue (Original Post) MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 OP
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2018 #1
I did too! ChubbyStar Apr 2018 #3
Thank you MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #6
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2018 #2
Thanks MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #7
Well said. I loved it. And frankly, she was kind to the liars and molesters, etc. Squinch Apr 2018 #4
Much too kind to them. You are so right. MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #5
Very well said. ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #8
Thank you MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #11
Hell yes DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #9
Absolutely true. MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #10
A kick for truth! CrispyQ Apr 2018 #12
Thanks MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #15
Some jokes were funny - I mean spot on. Others kinda dull. Lucky Luciano Apr 2018 #13
I liked her joke about her voice. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #18
LOL fair enough! I only heard clips so far...not the whole thing. Lucky Luciano Apr 2018 #23
Obama was excellent at it. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #32
She made fun of her own voice... EarnestPutz Apr 2018 #19
Crispy, you beat me by one minute.... EarnestPutz Apr 2018 #20
Well said and agree 100%. bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #14
Thank you MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #16
I was not offended. I was energized. Nitram Apr 2018 #17
Yes it does! MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #26
Michelle Wolf could have been a lot harder on the administration Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #21
Yes and she told us up front "let's get this over with" MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #27
Kick and rec backtoblue Apr 2018 #22
Thank you MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #28
Spot on. Thank you! SunSeeker Apr 2018 #24
Thank you MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #29
My expectations were not met. Yonnie3 Apr 2018 #25
Yes indeed! MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #30
The Don Rickles analogy is spot on - wonderful OP tikka Apr 2018 #31
Long past time, yes, and thanks MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #33
The constant parental harangue of "act like a lady" was ubiquitous back in the day. procon Apr 2018 #34
What's really nice to see is that they're just doing it MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #35
Offended, heck! raven mad Apr 2018 #36
Cheers! MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #37
Brilliant malaise Apr 2018 #38
Thank you MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #39
Being ladylike or not RandomAccess Apr 2018 #40
true! MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #41
Being an asshole when people don't have the ability to respond isn't exactly feminism mythology Apr 2018 #42
Who are those who don't have means to respond? MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #44
How about upcycling for a hobby? uppityperson Apr 2018 #45
... DesertRat Apr 2018 #47
I'm not on much so miss having chances to share uppityperson Apr 2018 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author DesertRat Apr 2018 #46
K&R Scurrilous Apr 2018 #48
I would have found it just as offensive Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #50
Agree Meowmee Apr 2018 #51

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
9. Hell yes
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:57 AM
Apr 2018

and allow me to humbly add my fuel to the fire: If you want to know why trump is president,look at the people who were "offended" by this. There was a time to take a high road, but that was before the low road became a superhighway leading to the death camps and prisons where our children will be livestock.

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
13. Some jokes were funny - I mean spot on. Others kinda dull.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 01:04 PM
Apr 2018

Her voice was almost like Roseanne’s which is tough to take, but overall a perfectly good performance.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
18. I liked her joke about her voice.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 01:42 PM
Apr 2018
Honestly, I never really thought I'd be a comedian. But I did take an aptitude test in seventh grade — and this is 100 percent true — I took an aptitude test in seventh grade, and it said in my best profession was a clown or a mime. Well, at first it said clown, and then it heard my voice and then was like, “Or maybe mime. Think about mime.”


Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
23. LOL fair enough! I only heard clips so far...not the whole thing.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 01:57 PM
Apr 2018

That is funny especially if she nailed the delivery.

Self deprecating humor is often very good.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
32. Obama was excellent at it.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 02:40 PM
Apr 2018

Trump's ego won't let him. I just can't believe this jerk is polling over 35%! WTF, America?

EarnestPutz

(2,119 posts)
19. She made fun of her own voice...
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 01:43 PM
Apr 2018

...when she said that her aptitude test told her she was cut out
to be a clown, and she thought to herself "maybe a mime".

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
21. Michelle Wolf could have been a lot harder on the administration
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 01:46 PM
Apr 2018

but she told us up front...she doesn't have a political agenda

yes, she was crude at points....
but sometimes being crude makes a point

I will think of Ivanka as Diaper Genie from now on....and I think it is very apt.


Yonnie3

(17,427 posts)
25. My expectations were not met.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 02:05 PM
Apr 2018

My expectations were not met because my expectations were ridiculous.

I was expecting some great humor to lighten the dismal news about this "administration" that never stops. The evil that these people have foisted on this country aided by the media in its quest for ratings ($s) is no laughing matter. This was a lampooning of epic proportions. It is remarkable that there were any laughs, when I consider what the subjects of this roast have done.

Bravo Ms. Wolf!

tikka

(762 posts)
31. The Don Rickles analogy is spot on - wonderful OP
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 02:38 PM
Apr 2018

The WHCA needs slapping everyday. Perhaps, it is past time that this Washington social event got knocked down a few pegs. Pearl-clutching over a few sexually expressive words seems ludicrous considering what this administration is doing to this country.

procon

(15,805 posts)
34. The constant parental harangue of "act like a lady" was ubiquitous back in the day.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 03:14 PM
Apr 2018

It was stifling, belittling and humiliating to be forced into meek, submissive obscurity by a puritanical, patriarchal society. I saw myself in Michelle Wolf's effectively brazen comedy. She said the things I still struggle to say -- want to say! -- and it's taken me 70+ years to overcome that restrictive "act like a lady" censure just get to that point.

Young, outspoken women activists of today are empowered and inspired by comedians like Wolf to speak out, to stand up and shout truth to power. Give me more!

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
40. Being ladylike or not
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 09:06 PM
Apr 2018

Great OP, btw.

The problem of living up to the standards of being a "lady" is that there is no one standard. It's an all-purpose set of chains that can be hauled out to punish ANY girl or woman for damn near ANYTHING.

Kinda like this:

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
42. Being an asshole when people don't have the ability to respond isn't exactly feminism
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 12:15 AM
Apr 2018

Comparing her to Don Rickles is flat out wrong. The audience was in on the joke with Rickles. They saw it as a badge to be insulted by him. On the other hand, Wolf wasn't there as part of a larger joke.

The thing about comedy is you have to actually be good at it to reach onto certain subjects. Wolf failed miserably in that regard.

If feminism is the radical notion that women are people too, I'm not all that eager to celebrate that means women can be mean spirited as well. It's not about being unladylike, guys should find a better way to be funny than to pick on people who aren't in a position to respond.

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
43. Who are those who don't have means to respond?
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 12:39 AM
Apr 2018

Almost everyone she called out is in a position of power, on TV whenever they wish to be, on Twitter, and with the nastiest bully in the world ready to take revenge for them.

Obviously you think there were innocent people hurt by her routine. I am interested to know who you think is innocent.

I can't argue the not funny part ... that is entirely subjective. Laughter is involuntary

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Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
50. I would have found it just as offensive
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 03:18 AM
Apr 2018

regardless of gender (race, religio, etc)

So for me - at least - it has nothing to do with acting like a lady. It has to do with discouraging progressives from emulating the cruel behavior engaged in my far too many Republicans.

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