What fugging money are these morons on Morning Joe Scum talking about

[malaise]

The US gave Iran the money. It was Iran's money. The lesson for the planet - do not put your money in the US.
The Bolton/Con combo is lunacy on steroids.

[Solomon]

1. That pisses me off too.

It was their friggin money.

[airmid]

2. I just yelled the same thing at the tv....

[BeyondGeography]

3. They should have given us their oil for free in the first place

You know, pre-OPEC, when America was great.

[malaise]

4. Ding ding we have a winner

M$Greedia is part of the problem

[BlueMTexpat]

5. The money was Iran's in

the first place - part of the FMS money it paid for weapons systems that were not delivered after the 1979 US Embassy takeover.

It was part of the Algiers Accords negotiated by the Carter Administration to free the hostages (for which the Carter Admin rarely gets the credit). Reagan reneged on that part of the agreement and it had been a sore point until it was finally paid back under the Obama Admin.

None of these so-called "journalists" knows the facts and none of them has bothered to clear this up.

FWIW: I thought that this was not well explained when it happened. Or it if was explained, it was not well covered by the US M$M.

See. e.g., the Algiers Accords: https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-iran-relations-and-the-1981-algiers-accords-decades-of-violations-and-silence/5626260

More information, including the text of the Accords, can be found here: http://www.iusct.net/

[roscoeroscoe]

6. Now that's good knowledge!

Bring it!

[malaise]

21. So how come we know it

Great post

[forgotmylogin]

26. Also...

I don't know details of these things, but it was Iran's money, and wouldn't it be subject to more and more interest the longer we held it for them?

[ProfessorGAC]

33. IIRC, The Money Was Returned Sans Interest

It was considered in abeyance. So as i recall, there was no interest paid.

[barbtries]

7. it annoys the shit out of me

that they let the lie go on that the money was ours that we gave them. it was their money. are they at least saying that?

[Rene]

8. I think today's folks forgot that detail.....It was Iran's confiscated money held in the U.S .

and there was no bank transfer capability with them....it HAD to be handed over in cash as part of the deal!

[Blue_Adept]

9. Heidi Przybyla did correct on it

Link to tweet

Hi folks. You are correct my reference on Morning Joe to Iran should be “the money,” not “our money” that’s already been released. Thanks for keeping me on the ball. ....

I generally like her on the show and was surprised with what she said and was curious if she was going to follow-up on it knowing she'd be called out on it.

[oberliner]

12. Sometimes twitter can be used for good rather than evil

I like to see this kind of thing.

[malaise]

25. Except that it is not the money

it is Iran's money/their money

[oberliner]

36. Perhaps "the money that was seized from Iran by the US in 1979" would've been the most accurate

[malaise]

37. Correct n/t

[Ilsa]

15. I liked the point she was making:

We've already done most of our part of the agreement. It is stupid to cancel it after giving up so much without waiting for Iran to live up to their end of the deal.

[Blue_Adept]

16. Exactly, which is why it was frustrating that she got that part wrong

and that it was part of the conversation about how the WH got things really bad with their "typo" over the Iran deal.

[treestar]

20. I wonder do you think she is sincere

I mean she knows her lie got around the world before this tweet has its shoes on.

[Blue_Adept]

27. I do think she is

Past experience in listening to her on the show hasn't lead me to believe that she leans down that direction in a hard way with these things. Anyone who does a lot of talking in these environments knows that you can make slips like that far too easily - and very few of them admit it and correct it quickly.

[malaise]

22. Good

Thanks for this

[Lonestarblue]

10. And Bolton is already starting his Iran lies.

Just as he ginned up fake evidence on weapons of mass destruction to justify attacking Iraq, he is now ginning up evidence that Iran has a secret nuclear program and that they’re thumbing their noses at the weak U.S. And who can believe Netanyahu? He wants the U.S. to wipe Iran off the map so Israel can stop worrying about what little support there is for the Palestinians. Why does the U.S. never learn that war in the Mideast is not a winning policy? I remember many people asking after 9/11 why they hated us so much! The U.S. government has given people in the Mideast more than amole reasons to hate us, from the CIA’s work to overturn a democratically elected leader in Iran in 1953 to supporting Saudi Arabia and thus Wahabism, all to protect the profits of big U.S. oil interests. The history of U.S. actions in the Mideast are not pretty.

[Grins]

17. "And who can believe Netanyahu?"

No one. NO One!

I used to be pro-Israel. No more.

[NewJeffCT]

18. Trump will believe him

as long as Netanyahu prefaces his lies with flattery of Trump.

[malaise]

23. Both should be in prison for corruption

Lock them up!

[OregonBlue]

30. I doubt Trump even believes him or cares. Bibi kisses his ass and that's all he cares about.

He's more than happy to wipe a nation off the face of the earth for more ass kissing.

[c-rational]

32. Thank you Lonestarblue, excellent post. Most Americans never asked why we were attacked

on 9/11 and MSM never brought up the question or attempted to answer. That may be the bigger question.

[Lonestarblue]

38. Book recommendations.

You may have already read them, but two books I found most enlightening are The Looming Tower, by Lawrence Wright, about the conditions and policies that led to the 9/11 attacks, and The Brothers, by Stephen Kinzer, about the machinations of Alan and John Foster Dulles during their years leading the CIA and the State Department. They should be required reading for every person who thinks that the U.S. is exceptional in all ways.

[malaise]

35. +1,000

The US and Israel have created a complete mess in the Middle East.

[heather blossom]

11. Amen

I get so sick of hearing we gave Iran money and none of the commentators, TV show hosts NEVER correct them. It seems like every network is turning into faux news.

[Heartstrings]

13. May be a repeat, but this is how I understood the "deal"...

First off, the sanctions were multi-lateral and negotiated by Hilary and Obama. It was a tremendous accomplishment. Sanctions only work if all the principal players are on board. We had China, Russia, the UK, France and the rest of the EU with us.

We blocked oil from them to major countries, banking, military weapons, spare parts, everything. The sanctions were effective because we had a strong coalition.

Iran wanted to talk. The deal was negotiated, not just with us, but with all the parties. Russia and China pressured us. They were willing to pull out of the sanctions. So was Europe. We had to make the best deal we could, and in the end, it was good for the United States. Too many of our voting citizens (61 million, who have proven to be morons) think that this was a deal just between Iran and us. If we re-impose sanctions, nobody is going to follow us. Iran will have no problem trading with the rest of the coalition, and we will be the ones isolated. They can bank through France, the UK and Switzerland. They can sell oil to China and buy Gas from Russia. Iran can get military supplies from Russia and China, as well as spare parts. We're far from the only game in town. In return, since we pulled out of the deal, Iran doesn't need to grant inspections.

As for the "billions of dollars in cash" that we gave the Iranians during the initial deal, that wasn't our money. That was Iranian money, frozen since the Revolution as payment for fighter jets that were never delivered. All we did was return their money, which was our obligation under international law. It was delivered in cash, because the sanctions were still in place until the deal was finalized. With the sanctions in place, no one could use the banking industry with Iran, as a result, paid in cash.

If Iran broke the deal, every partner, including China and Russia would have to re-impose the sanctions. But if we break the deal, all bets are off. The United States' Moron in Chief has put us in an awful position and now we are up to our necks in shit on this issue.

[Ferrets are Cool]

14. Truth doesn't matter for these people...only ratings and money. nt

[malaise]

29. And proof of that is how they all promoted

the despicable deplorable short-fingered vulgarian aka Groper Don the Con

[BSdetect]

19. They can keep BS like that going for ever.

[KG]

24. Iran, back for another tour as a fake enemy.

[malaise]

28. Enemies are mandatory for these greedy scumbags

Killing is very profitable

[GeorgeGist]

31. Joe Scum sexual harassment...

Soon to break. Watch for it.

[tazkcmo]

34. Your post makes me happy

Happy that I don't watch that crappy ass show.