Mahmoud Abbas: Jews caused Holocaust with their 'social behavior'

[DavidDvorkin]

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said that Jews caused the Holocaust with their “social behavior,” such as money lending.

https://www.jta.org/2018/05/01/news-opinion/mahmoud-abbas-jews-caused-holocaust-social-behavior/amp

Same old, same old.

[shenmue]

1. What a piece of shit

[SummerSnow]

2. Disgusting

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. The suggestion that the Jews haven't had a historical presence in that area

The suggestion that the Jews haven't had a historical presence in that area for time immemorial is implausible. Archaeological digs prove they have.

Both the Palestinians and Israelis have compelling narratives. The Palestinian narrative doesn't rise or fall on denying the historical Jewish presence in that area.

[DavidDvorkin]

7. It's a common claim by anti-semites

A few years ago, a prominent Moslem cleric said that there had never been a Jewish temple on Temple Mount, and that it has been the site of a mosque forever.

[Sophia4]

4. This kind of rubbish is what the Jewish people have dealt with for over a

thousand years.

I'm not Jewish, but I think it is jealousy.

For example:

As of 2017, Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to 892 individuals,[1] of whom 201 or 22.5% were Jews,[note 2] although the total Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population.[2] This means the percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates is at least 112.5 times or 11,250% above average. Various theories have been made to explain this phenomenon, which has received considerable attention.[3][4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

The Jewish people have been chased out from wherever they go. They have been subjected to terrible religious discrimination.

And yet, they have discovered so much science, invented so much that has helped mankind.

Palestinians need to learn to live with their neighbors and try to learn from their neighbors too. Same for the Jewish people in the Middle East. There is room for everyone if they learn to live in peace with each other.

[smirkymonkey]

9. Not to mention their contributions to the arts and their leadership in social

justice movements. I think there is a certain amount of jealously behind such anti-semitism.

[Sophia4]

11. Yes.

If Israel moved in right next to me, I'd ask its educators to help me reform my education system. In fact, maybe we should do that.

[mr_lebowski]

27. A real simple explanation ... generally, as a people, they're above-average intelligent & driven

& also above-average talented, in multitude of different ways.

And throughout history, this has been noticed, and has 'felt threatening' to others ...

Sad, because it should be celebrated.

But humans ... are animals, at heart ...

[Behind the Aegis]

5. Victim blaming.

Not in the least bit surprised by this news, nor how few will care. He is an anti-Semitic asshole. Jews were as "responsible" for the Holocaust as a rape victim is "responsible" for his/her assault because of the clothes worn at the time! Neither group are "responsible" for the violence committed against them!

“Europeans wanted to bring the Jews here to preserve their interests in the region.”

No, they didn't. They just didn't want Jews in their countries and were hoping maybe, by shipping them off, they wouldn't have to deal with them, and if anything, maybe they would be eliminated, just not on European soil this time.

[Sophia4]

12. Jewish people, those who were left, did not feel safe living in the countries they

had lived in before WWII. That's one reason for the existence of Israel.

There were many, many Jewish orphans with no place to go or live. And many people really could not go back to the places that had been home to them and their families for years and generations. Someone else was living in what had been their family home.

There really wasn't much choice for those who went to Israel -- and South America and the US and to places all over the world.

[Major Nikon]

13. The only thing that's surprising is he isn't denying it happened

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Thought the same thing.

[leftynyc]

6. Just another reminder why

I thank the Heavens that Israel exists.

[colsohlibgal]

8. Ridiculous

But yes, anti Semitism has been around a long time and due to ignorance it isn’t going anywhere. Sad. This has burst forth 70 some years after WWII, the span of collective memory, like clockwork.

[MicaelS]

10. "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing".

[Codeine]

14. The Palestinians never fail to make supporting their cause

distasteful and embarrassing.

[DavidDvorkin]

16. So true.

[Stuart G]

15. A very stupid thing to say. Bringing up the Holocaust in context with present day politics...

is well....stupid and ignorant.....

Conflict over land that the Palestinians claim .....has nothing to do with the "Holocaust"...

[GulfCoast66]

32. Well, except Palestinians claim all of Israel, not just the occupied territories

And Israel exist because of the Holocaust.

Left to a great many of the Palestinians the Holocaust would pick right back up.

[Blue_true]

17. Shit like that is why there will never be peace in the Middleeast.

Abbas expresses what a lot in that region feel in their hearts. You will never have peace when there is thoughtless hate and mischaracterizations.

[greytdemocrat]

18. Delusional.

[struggle4progress]

19. Perhaps a quarter of the Shoah victims were young children, killed soon after capture

because they could not be worked to death profitably as a contribution to the German war economy; and it is hard to imagine how a million and a half young children brought that catastrophe on themselves and others through their "social behavior"

A "social behavior" typically punished by death during the so-called "Third Reich" was failure to show sufficient adulation for the regime and its leaders: the trial and sentencing could be speedy, with minimal defense. The "Jews" were usually condemned, however, without any legal process, on the basis of ancestry or from "evidence" such as circumcision

Here are some of the Polish synagogues from that era, from the interesting website https://sztetl.org.pl/

[Adrahil]

20. Ah Jeez... fuck that.

I really feel for the Palestinian people. And thn their leader says this bullshit. Fuck.

[mythology]

21. The Palestinians have an amazing ability to choose crappy leaders

I definitely fault the Israeli government as well (additionally our government and other governments in the Middle East), but the Palestinians have done their best to screw themselves over.

[grossproffit]

22. Thank you so much for posting this.

[DavidDvorkin]

23. It's important to publicize it.

[JI7]

24. fuck him

[DFW]

25. Great, a "modern" leader publicly holding prejudices from the legend of El Cid

"El Cantar de Mio Cid" mentions this prejudice concerning Jews, but it's from the 12th century. Well, if Islamists are stuck in the 12 century with this way of thinking, I guess it makes a certain kind of sense, but if Jews have moved on to, say, nine centuries later, the Palestinians aren't going to be playing much in the way of economic catch-up with people like Abbas leading them.

Now he may have had some reason to make the Hamas people in Gaza happy, and figured this would do the trick. However, Hamas and Gaza don't provide the aid funds that keep him and his people afloat, and trade with Israel brings those Palestinians that manage it a lot more than the lack of it does to those who do not. Making statements that date from the Middle Ages that were later used by the Nazis are not the way to encourage continued charity and understanding to the Palestinian cause from outside.

The Israelis will hear this and probably shrug their shoulders and say, "so what else is new?" As this plays right into the hands of Israel's hardliners, Netanyahu was probably doing the happy dance and saying, "shukhran Mahmoud!"

[leftynyc]

30. This is why Israelis

vote for people like bibi. This isn't some schmuck off the street. This is the LEADER of the Palestinians- well one of them, the other being the hamas terrorists. I detest bibi but will never be surprised someone like him gets elected. They know they can't afford to lose a war, the would get destroyed.

[RockRaven]

26. Erm.... awkward question, but

by that logic couldn't someone say a genocide of all Palestinians, or Arabs, or whatever was caused by their "social behavior," such as suicide bombing, or airplane hijacking, or halal diet?

B/c you don't want to be giving Bibi or Trump any ideas, bro.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

29. Ahh, yes. The victims are always the perpetrators.

In 1980 I was on my honeymoon in Eastern Europe. My husband was (is still) Jewish. His grandparents all came from the Austro-Hungarian Empire at the turn of the 20th century. With boundary changes, today three of them would have been from Poland, the other from Russia.

He was not at all Jewish in appearance, and had long ago learned to drop clues to other Jews to let them know he was one of them.

When we were in Poland, to his utter astonishment, (and keep in mind that of some 3 million Jews who were there before WWII, the vast majority died in the Holocaust, and perhaps 3,000 returned after the war.) Jews would show up when we were walking around. They'd approach him, speak to him in English, and when he was slow to respond, say, "You're Jewish, yes?" I was invisible to them, a Christian of Irish extraction.

It was a fascinating lesson in ethnicity and religious roots.

[ansible]

31. Well, at least they're not denying that it happened instead

Holocaust denial is rampant in the arab world