Fox News: Feminists are the reason chivalry is dead.

[DetlefK]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/fox-friends-says-chivalry-dead-lost-confused-feminists-ripped-men/

According to Venker, men abandoned chivalry because women insist on equality: “I can do it myself, I’m strong enough, you don’t need to hold the door open for me, you don’t need to pay my way.”

“After so many years of hearing that, my argument is that men have effectively said, ‘Okay, you said you don’t want it so I guess I’m not supposed to do it. If I do it, you’re going to be insulted.’ So, they’re really lost and confused about what it is that women want. And I think women are just as confused because they’ve been sold this message that chivalry is bad somehow when of course it is not at all.”



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The problem here is that these people don't even know what chivalry is. Chivalry is not bilateral. It is unilateral.

You aren't chivalrous because you get some reward out of it.
You are chivalrous because it's simply the right thing to do.

Chivalry means giving your best, no matter what.
It means treating a woman with respect and as an equal, striving to stay charming and considerate at all times, no matter what.
Yes, even if the woman does NOT want you to hold the door open for her.
Yes, even if treating her nicely won't end in sex.



It is this misconception, that chivalry is a good that men trade with women, that furthers this misogynistic sentiment that women own all the sex and that in order to get some, men have to buy sex by being nice to them.
And then those immature neckbeards and "incels" get all disappointed when they find out that women are not vending-machines.

[hlthe2b]

1. So, Fox-- already about as misogynistic as they can be--how long before they go full on incel?

[malthaussen]

2. Yeah, but we live in a transactional society.

It saddens me how many have come to allow their behaviors to be dictated by someone else's behavior. And it applies in many more fields than gender relations.

-- Mal

[TBA]

3. If men are so confused about what women want

maybe they should ask them and then listen to the response without judgement.

It ain't that hard fellas.

[DetlefK]

11. But women are so emotional and confused and don't know what they want!

[mythology]

22. But that would require starting from the assumption women are people

And thus is obviously a preposterous thing to do.

[ehrnst]

4. Good trade for self-determination. (nt)

[ismnotwasm]

5. Wait wut?

The Who Holds the Door Open thing is still a thing?

[JustAnotherGen]

7. Dodge deflect defer

Don't they have anything of value to 'chit chat' about at Faux?

[Wounded Bear]

8. I hold doors for both genders...

and all races. Now, someone in a MAGA hat? I'm likely to slam it in their face.

(ps...not really )

[smirkymonkey]

23. So do I, and I'm a woman.

It's just the polite thing to do. And if someone does it for me, I always thank them because that is also the polite thing to do. Unless, of course - as you said - they are wearing a MAGA hat. You have to draw the line somewhere.

[ismnotwasm]

26. Being a nurse I provide that same excellent care to MAGAs

As I do anyone else, although I admit to fantasizes of fixing the TVs so I am never forced to hear Fox News again...

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

35. Kill Bill...

One of the best movies ever. Uma Thurmond is such a bad-ass. Black Mamba!

[Fullduplexxx]

9. Well it's benevolent sexism remember?

[ismnotwasm]

28. Well yes it is when one gender seems to think another gender

Has special needs to have the door opened for them. Personally I practice common courtesy and this..issue.. never arises. I thought we were past it.

[OnDoutside]

6. Maybe chivalry should be dead, and replaced by a unisex good manners ?

There's a scheme on trains and buses in Ireland at the moment, which was probably copied elsewhere, where pregnant women are were stickers making it known they are pregnant, so people would give up their seat. A trend had developed where people weren't offering their seat for fear of getting an earful of abuse.

[Initech]

10. Fox News is the reason why we can't have nice things.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

12. "It means treating a woman with respect and as an equal" No. It doesn't.

Look up the code of chivalry. You know, the one that allowed Arthur to order his knights to burn Guinevere alive because she had an affair. And the only reason they didn't is because Lancelot. Yeah, that code of chivalry.

We need to stop romanticizing chivalry. Women were property and you did those things because you either wanted to protect your property or you thought they were too stupid, weak, or fragile to do it on their own.

[DetlefK]

13. I'll use the medieval definition of "chivalry" when I join a medieval cavalry.

Until then, I stick with a modern definition.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

20. So you don't really mean chivalry but something completely the opposite.

Why not use a different word, then?

[RandomAccess]

24. Bad news

the modern definition of chivalry refers to the medieval cavalry definition.

I agree with Cuthbert: choose a different word.

[LanternWaste]

36. It's yet still the modern definition, as well... regardless of the cavalry horse you rode in on

It's yet still the modern definition, as well... regardless of the cavalry horse you rode in on.

Its tertiary (or, as your translation of prosaic acuity: "modern" ) definition, "gallant or distinguished gentlemen" raises the direct question of precisely how is the opening of a door an indicator of a gallant gentleman?

[procon]

14. Evidently Fox News doesn't own a dictionary so they could look up "feminists"

and stop acting like stupid ignoramuses.

[DBoon]

15. Chivalry died when mass produced firearms made knights on horses obsolete

interesting that a term describing a warrior class has anything to do with treating women with respect.

[Iggo]

34. Respect?

More like treating them as valuable and fragile property.

[DBoon]

38. That's how an armed elite warrior class would define respect

nt

[Nonhlanhla]

16. OK, Fox, I will stop believing in my own worth and equality

just so you blokes can hold open some doors for me. I mean, if I had known that no one will ever...gasp..hold open a DOOR for me once I become a feminist, I would have never become one...

[IronLionZion]

17. Some feminists like it, others view it as patriarchy

it varies by feminist but there would be more factors like the motivations and expectations behind it. "I did something nice for you so give me some sex", is the problem.

I'm male and have had females open doors for me. I didn't feel like it damaged my fragile masculinity.

I only give up my metro seat to women who are old, disabled, pregnant, or with small children. I never do this for young healthy women because the chance of her responding with rude insults is just not worth it.

Everyday Hero: When This Pregnant Woman Couldn’t Find A Seat On A Train, This Man Decided To Stand On His In Solidarity

https://lifestyle.clickhole.com/everyday-hero-when-this-pregnant-woman-couldn-t-find-a-1825120404

[dawg]

18. For Pete's sake just offer her the damn seat.

If she says "no", then sit your ass back down like a normal person.

[IronLionZion]

19. Or stand on it in solidarity

[MineralMan]

27. Moron! Just get down and let the pregnant woman sit.

The statement you're making, instead is, "See, I'm standing here, rather than letting you sit down." What a dick!

[IronLionZion]

29. Clickhole is from The Onion

it's parody of online clickbait media

[MineralMan]

31. Ah. Missed that.

Thanks!

[milestogo]

21. Good, let's give it the appropriate funeral.

[MineralMan]

25. What nonsense from those Fox morons!

They're just looking for an excuse for being misogynistic assholes.

[Ohiogal]

30. So, they're saying

"Unfortunately, you have to be nice to a woman if you want sex from her...?"v

[MineralMan]

32. That! Exactly!

[Iggo]

33. Chivalry should be dead.

So....good.

[TheFrenchRazor]

37. MRAs believe that treating women nicely and treating them as equals are mutually exclusive; OTOH

as a woman, i have no trouble treating men both nicely and as equals. it's not that hard. MRAs take the position that women have to choose; either be treated nicely or be treated equally, but not both. just shows how much they do not get it.

[Tipperary]

39. I am a woman, and I always hold doors for anyone and everyone.

[Hekate]

40. Good manners and kindness will never go out of style. I used to ride the bus every day...

One time when I was about 9 months pregnant, I stood lurching back and forth with the motion of the bus next to two young men who somehow failed to notice my belly was almost in their faces. You know who got up and let me sit down? A tiny old lady, bless her. She knew.

I always appreciate someone who will open a heavy door for me when my arms are full, and I will do the same for someone else, regardless of age or gender. And so it goes.

I am glad I don't have to negotiate dating anymore, but at my advanced age I have figured out that if a man wants me to pay for a dinner I cannot afford or put out because he paid, we can either jointly agree to eat at some place I can afford my share of the meal or he can take a hike. "Transactional" my rosy Irish ass.

[NewJeffCT]

41. Saw this GIF on twitter and thought it appropriate

Link to tweet