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Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
Sun May 6, 2018, 06:33 AM May 2018

Pics of lava advancing towards homes, Hawaii on Saturday

fissure opens in subdivision




Lava burns across the road in the Leilani Estates in Pahoa, Hawaii on Saturday as residents fled from the area






Knox's home is a few hundred yards from the lava flow and he is not evacuating. He hopes the lava will not take his home





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5695425/Hawaiis-Kilauea-volcano-spews-toxic-gasses-new-fissures-form-thousands-flee.html

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Pics of lava advancing towards homes, Hawaii on Saturday (Original Post) Demovictory9 May 2018 OP
Good Luck Soxfan58 May 2018 #1
I wasn't aware Bob Loblaw May 2018 #2
probably better plan would be to pack valuables and cart them away. cant really put out sandbags Demovictory9 May 2018 #5
I think it depends on the type of volcano involved FakeNoose May 2018 #24
One article I read said there are 2 different types of volcanos RandomAccess May 2018 #28
Kind of like defacto7 May 2018 #31
More: man loses his paid off home 5 years from retirement Demovictory9 May 2018 #3
Poor guy. Presumably insurance against eruption Hortensis May 2018 #30
Took the bet and lost I'm afraid. defacto7 May 2018 #33
Does homeowner's insurance cover volcanos, lava, and toxic gas? Sancho May 2018 #4
the link below talks about "lava hazard zones". Demovictory9 May 2018 #7
Thanks...I figured something like this. Sancho May 2018 #9
From the CNN link in post #3 BumRushDaShow May 2018 #14
I wouldn't build an expensive mcmansion in that situation. Maybe live in a mobile home or yurt Demovictory9 May 2018 #16
I looked at some clips at the CNN link BumRushDaShow May 2018 #19
This is hard for anyone but being burned to death by lava is not malaise May 2018 #6
the lava moves slowly. Mr. Knox has time to peddle away on his bike Demovictory9 May 2018 #8
I remember in the 1980's when lava wiped out the Kalapana subdivision. It was catbyte May 2018 #10
How horrible samplegirl May 2018 #11
Yeah, it is already all over "the net" that they are getting Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #25
It's a gamble to build in a location like this and sometimes you lose. Vinca May 2018 #12
It's sad he could lose his bet defacto7 May 2018 #32
I notice it is about to get the electric pole. It will be next to impossible to fix. If the fellow patricia92243 May 2018 #13
there is a neighborhood in hawaii that got cutoff by volcano flow years ago. people still live there Demovictory9 May 2018 #15
here is the story... people live (off the grid) in neighborhood eaten up by lava in 1990 Demovictory9 May 2018 #17
Wow! Mahalo, Demovictory Cha May 2018 #22
Bo Lozoff died a couple of years ago janterry May 2018 #23
No dear, (pats her tiny pointy lil head) NATURE is in control. Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #26
That has got to be terrifying Maeve May 2018 #18
Mother earth giveth.... paleotn May 2018 #20
Hope the best for you, Knox! Cha May 2018 #21
Imagine looking out your backdoor and seeing this... LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #27
And I thought fire ants were bad. Scurrilous May 2018 #34
it's trying to get to the ocean, to build more hawaii Demovictory9 May 2018 #35
Yup. jeffreyi May 2018 #29

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
5. probably better plan would be to pack valuables and cart them away. cant really put out sandbags
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:06 AM
May 2018

or do anything to stop lava. better to leave and hope for the best. breathing those fumes aren't good for his health

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
24. I think it depends on the type of volcano involved
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:08 AM
May 2018

Anyone who's familiar with the Mount St. Helen's eruption in Washington State (in the 1980's) remembers that nobody could have survived that because the top of the mountain blew off. If you're living on the side of a mountain with an erupting volcano, the lava would flow downhill and you wouldn't have much chance of outrunning it, especially if it happened suddenly.

But it seems at least some of these Hawaiian eruptions aren't coming out of a mountain peak. The flat ground is splitting open and lava flows up and out of the ground. So these types of eruptions are usually accompanied by ground shaking, deep rumbling noises, etc. Local residents who pay attention would have time to evacuate before their houses are engulfed. Still they lose everything, it's just like a wild forest fire.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
28. One article I read said there are 2 different types of volcanos
Sun May 6, 2018, 10:39 AM
May 2018

Land building and land destroying. This one is a land-building volcano.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
31. Kind of like
Sun May 6, 2018, 01:29 PM
May 2018

land receding allowing magma release from low pressure... and land colliding causing heat from friction and high pressure. Low pressure creates, high pressure destroys.

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
3. More: man loses his paid off home 5 years from retirement
Sun May 6, 2018, 06:52 AM
May 2018

Before evacuating to a friend's home late Friday, Gebbie -- a union carpenter -- took one last walk around the home he built over the past three years on an acre brimming with towering trees and fragrant tropical plants.

"My beautiful house -- gorgeous, custom home," he said. "Paid for. No mortgage, which is awesome. ... I took a walk around my house, videotaped my house and pretty much said goodbye."

Tears -- "lots of tears" -- streamed down his face.


For now, Gebbie said he will share a friend's home with three families that have been evacuated.
"Life is completely turned upside-down, and I think it's just starting to set in," he said.

"Now, it's trying to figure out what the future brings. ... My work. My job. Am I going to have to move to somewhere else on the island?"
Life on this part of the Big Island "might be forever changed," Gebbie said. And his life, too.
"I'd have to start over at age 56," he said. "That's concerning. I was five years away from retirement, with a house paid for. And retirement is nowhere near in the future now."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/05/us/kilauea-volcano-hawaii-homeowner/index.html

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Poor guy. Presumably insurance against eruption
Sun May 6, 2018, 11:27 AM
May 2018

is not available to people living on the side of a live volcano.

He's just like the millions in the Seattle area who live on the Pacific Rim with a live volcano nearby hoping that disaster will hold off until they're gone. Or how about the people of L.A., San Francisco, Portland, etcetera? We used to be among them. Now we have sea level rise and mega hurricanes in Florida.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
33. Took the bet and lost I'm afraid.
Sun May 6, 2018, 01:41 PM
May 2018

Very sad. Maybe the risk was worth it. It may have turned out differently.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
4. Does homeowner's insurance cover volcanos, lava, and toxic gas?
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:03 AM
May 2018

I know that a zombie apocalypse is covered!

Here in Florida, the insurance has gotten more expensive, and all the stuff you worry about (hurricane flooding; sink holes) is not covered or has crazy deductibles.

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
7. the link below talks about "lava hazard zones".
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:09 AM
May 2018
http://www.koarealty.com/buying-property/lava-zones/

the district having lava flows was a level 1 area, high risk, lower prices :

When choosing to purchase real estate here on the island, many buyer’s are attracted to lava zones 1 and 2. This is in part due to the weather and scenic beauty but along with this we cannot deny the affordable prices. It is true, land located in the lava hazard zones 1 & 2 is typically less expensive than any other areas on Hawaii island. In fact, the district of Puna and the district of Kau; both areas designated with lava hazard zones 1 & 2; offer some of the most affordable land in ALL of the island chain. When making a decision to purchase in these areas one must be aware and consider these variables:

1. Limited insurers for homeowners insurance and hazard insurance.

Currently there is the Hawaii Property insurance Association that offers insurance on homes up to a value of $350,000.00. Any replacement value amount above and beyond $350,000.00 would be provided by Lloyds of London. Typically insurance premiums are higher than what one would see on a property outside of these high-risk zones.

2. Limited financing for residential purchases or construction loans.

In recent times many lending institutions have completely eliminated programs that they once had for financing in these risk zones. At current, the Federal government does offer a program through Rural Housing development.

As for conventional financing, most institutions are requiring a minimum of 20% down in order to lend on a property in either of these two high-risk zones.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
9. Thanks...I figured something like this.
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:13 AM
May 2018

...so some people are out of luck if their homes are destroyed.

BumRushDaShow

(128,846 posts)
14. From the CNN link in post #3
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:46 AM
May 2018
Gebbie said most residents of his neighborhood don't have lava flow insurance. Their fire insurance doesn't cover damage from lava flows.

"People in Hawaii -- the Big Island -- have to deal with the lava," he said. "You know that when you come in. I knew that when I moved here. This was a gamble that everybody takes. Maybe I've lost."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/05/us/kilauea-volcano-hawaii-homeowner/index.html


BumRushDaShow

(128,846 posts)
19. I looked at some clips at the CNN link
Sun May 6, 2018, 08:04 AM
May 2018

and the guy who was featured was standing on a residential street with what looked like some smaller homes and modified double-wide mobile homes. Am guessing that is where he is staying for the time being.

The article said the land in the "lava zones 1 & 2" was the cheapest in the state (chain of islands) and it's obvious why. I think it was literally a luck of the draw as to whether the volcano would suddenly erupt after all these decades, and then open up lava fissures so far away from the actual mountain itself.

catbyte

(34,373 posts)
10. I remember in the 1980's when lava wiped out the Kalapana subdivision. It was
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:30 AM
May 2018

so slow, so terrifying, so inexorable. They tried diverting it by cooling and damming the flow with water, but nothing worked. It overwhelmed everything. It must be unbelievably stressful for the residents there. The price of Paradise, I guess.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
25. Yeah, it is already all over "the net" that they are getting
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:32 AM
May 2018

what they deserve for having so many "librul" politicians. The deplorable's are pure evil.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
12. It's a gamble to build in a location like this and sometimes you lose.
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:38 AM
May 2018

Mother Nature is beautiful - especially in Hawaii - and dangerous at the same time.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
32. It's sad he could lose his bet
Sun May 6, 2018, 01:37 PM
May 2018

Though risky, it was still a worthy bet considering the beauty as long as he understood the risk.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
13. I notice it is about to get the electric pole. It will be next to impossible to fix. If the fellow
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:42 AM
May 2018

doesn't actually lose his home, he would be living with out electricity for months - or forever. He needs to leave!

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
15. there is a neighborhood in hawaii that got cutoff by volcano flow years ago. people still live there
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:47 AM
May 2018

there is no roads in. they travel back and forth by motorbike, bringing their supplies in. very beautiful
tropical surroundings, surrounded by blackened ground. wish i could find the video of it.

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
17. here is the story... people live (off the grid) in neighborhood eaten up by lava in 1990
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:56 AM
May 2018




http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23809963/ns/us_news-life/t/lava-lovers-live-active-hawaiian-volcano/#.Wu7s3ogvzIU

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But some residents live with the boiling lava every day and revel in the notion that their homes and lives are subject to the whims of earth’s awesome underground forces.

The danger has become clearer in recent weeks. Earlier this month, a two-block-wide swath of lava burned through abandoned homes and reached the ocean. And the first gas explosion at Kilauea’s peak since 1924 scattered gravel onto a tourist lookout, road and trail before daybreak last week, injuring no one but spreading fear.

Olson and her scattered neighbors have built houses atop blasted land of hardened black crust where previous neighborhoods were destroyed by lava flows in 1990. Most get their power from solar panels, their water from the rain and some of their food from gardens planted between lava rocks. Until a new lava viewing area began drawing big crowds a few weeks ago, they lived in relative isolation.

“This is heaven on earth,” said Edmund Orian, who is building a house by hand out of lava rocks in Kalapana. “Living near a volcano keeps you aware that God is in control. If the lava comes, we can always move.”




 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
23. Bo Lozoff died a couple of years ago
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:05 AM
May 2018

He did prison work (meditation programs) - I'm not sure when this was filmed exactly, but it seems like he died shortly after this was filmed.

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