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Sun May 6, 2018, 05:33 AM

Pics of lava advancing towards homes, Hawaii on Saturday

fissure opens in subdivision




Lava burns across the road in the Leilani Estates in Pahoa, Hawaii on Saturday as residents fled from the area






Knox's home is a few hundred yards from the lava flow and he is not evacuating. He hopes the lava will not take his home





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5695425/Hawaiis-Kilauea-volcano-spews-toxic-gasses-new-fissures-form-thousands-flee.html

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Reply Pics of lava advancing towards homes, Hawaii on Saturday (Original post)
Demovictory9 May 2018 OP
Soxfan58 May 2018 #1
Bob Loblaw May 2018 #2
Demovictory9 May 2018 #5
FakeNoose May 2018 #24
RandomAccess May 2018 #28
defacto7 May 2018 #31
Demovictory9 May 2018 #3
Hortensis May 2018 #30
defacto7 May 2018 #33
Sancho May 2018 #4
Demovictory9 May 2018 #7
Sancho May 2018 #9
BumRushDaShow May 2018 #14
Demovictory9 May 2018 #16
BumRushDaShow May 2018 #19
malaise May 2018 #6
Demovictory9 May 2018 #8
catbyte May 2018 #10
samplegirl May 2018 #11
Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #25
Vinca May 2018 #12
defacto7 May 2018 #32
patricia92243 May 2018 #13
Demovictory9 May 2018 #15
Demovictory9 May 2018 #17
Cha May 2018 #22
janterry May 2018 #23
Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #26
Maeve May 2018 #18
paleotn May 2018 #20
Cha May 2018 #21
LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #27
Scurrilous May 2018 #34
Demovictory9 May 2018 #35
jeffreyi May 2018 #29

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 05:46 AM

1. Good Luck

To the people of or 50th state.
This is the DU member formerly known as Soxfan58.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 05:50 AM

2. I wasn't aware

one could ride out a lava flow. Good luck with that Knox.

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Response to Bob Loblaw (Reply #2)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:06 AM

5. probably better plan would be to pack valuables and cart them away. cant really put out sandbags

or do anything to stop lava. better to leave and hope for the best. breathing those fumes aren't good for his health

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Response to Bob Loblaw (Reply #2)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:08 AM

24. I think it depends on the type of volcano involved

Anyone who's familiar with the Mount St. Helen's eruption in Washington State (in the 1980's) remembers that nobody could have survived that because the top of the mountain blew off. If you're living on the side of a mountain with an erupting volcano, the lava would flow downhill and you wouldn't have much chance of outrunning it, especially if it happened suddenly.

But it seems at least some of these Hawaiian eruptions aren't coming out of a mountain peak. The flat ground is splitting open and lava flows up and out of the ground. So these types of eruptions are usually accompanied by ground shaking, deep rumbling noises, etc. Local residents who pay attention would have time to evacuate before their houses are engulfed. Still they lose everything, it's just like a wild forest fire.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #24)

Sun May 6, 2018, 09:39 AM

28. One article I read said there are 2 different types of volcanos

 

Land building and land destroying. This one is a land-building volcano.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #28)

Sun May 6, 2018, 12:29 PM

31. Kind of like

land receding allowing magma release from low pressure... and land colliding causing heat from friction and high pressure. Low pressure creates, high pressure destroys.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 05:52 AM

3. More: man loses his paid off home 5 years from retirement

Before evacuating to a friend's home late Friday, Gebbie -- a union carpenter -- took one last walk around the home he built over the past three years on an acre brimming with towering trees and fragrant tropical plants.

"My beautiful house -- gorgeous, custom home," he said. "Paid for. No mortgage, which is awesome. ... I took a walk around my house, videotaped my house and pretty much said goodbye."

Tears -- "lots of tears" -- streamed down his face.


For now, Gebbie said he will share a friend's home with three families that have been evacuated.
"Life is completely turned upside-down, and I think it's just starting to set in," he said.

"Now, it's trying to figure out what the future brings. ... My work. My job. Am I going to have to move to somewhere else on the island?"
Life on this part of the Big Island "might be forever changed," Gebbie said. And his life, too.
"I'd have to start over at age 56," he said. "That's concerning. I was five years away from retirement, with a house paid for. And retirement is nowhere near in the future now."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/05/us/kilauea-volcano-hawaii-homeowner/index.html

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #3)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:27 AM

30. Poor guy. Presumably insurance against eruption

is not available to people living on the side of a live volcano.

He's just like the millions in the Seattle area who live on the Pacific Rim with a live volcano nearby hoping that disaster will hold off until they're gone. Or how about the people of L.A., San Francisco, Portland, etcetera? We used to be among them. Now we have sea level rise and mega hurricanes in Florida.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #3)

Sun May 6, 2018, 12:41 PM

33. Took the bet and lost I'm afraid.

Very sad. Maybe the risk was worth it. It may have turned out differently.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:03 AM

4. Does homeowner's insurance cover volcanos, lava, and toxic gas?

I know that a zombie apocalypse is covered!

Here in Florida, the insurance has gotten more expensive, and all the stuff you worry about (hurricane flooding; sink holes) is not covered or has crazy deductibles.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #4)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:09 AM

7. the link below talks about "lava hazard zones".

http://www.koarealty.com/buying-property/lava-zones/

the district having lava flows was a level 1 area, high risk, lower prices :

When choosing to purchase real estate here on the island, many buyer’s are attracted to lava zones 1 and 2. This is in part due to the weather and scenic beauty but along with this we cannot deny the affordable prices. It is true, land located in the lava hazard zones 1 & 2 is typically less expensive than any other areas on Hawaii island. In fact, the district of Puna and the district of Kau; both areas designated with lava hazard zones 1 & 2; offer some of the most affordable land in ALL of the island chain. When making a decision to purchase in these areas one must be aware and consider these variables:

1. Limited insurers for homeowners insurance and hazard insurance.

Currently there is the Hawaii Property insurance Association that offers insurance on homes up to a value of $350,000.00. Any replacement value amount above and beyond $350,000.00 would be provided by Lloyds of London. Typically insurance premiums are higher than what one would see on a property outside of these high-risk zones.

2. Limited financing for residential purchases or construction loans.

In recent times many lending institutions have completely eliminated programs that they once had for financing in these risk zones. At current, the Federal government does offer a program through Rural Housing development.

As for conventional financing, most institutions are requiring a minimum of 20% down in order to lend on a property in either of these two high-risk zones.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #7)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:13 AM

9. Thanks...I figured something like this.

...so some people are out of luck if their homes are destroyed.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #9)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:46 AM

14. From the CNN link in post #3

Gebbie said most residents of his neighborhood don't have lava flow insurance. Their fire insurance doesn't cover damage from lava flows.

"People in Hawaii -- the Big Island -- have to deal with the lava," he said. "You know that when you come in. I knew that when I moved here. This was a gamble that everybody takes. Maybe I've lost."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/05/us/kilauea-volcano-hawaii-homeowner/index.html


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:49 AM

16. I wouldn't build an expensive mcmansion in that situation. Maybe live in a mobile home or yurt

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #16)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:04 AM

19. I looked at some clips at the CNN link

and the guy who was featured was standing on a residential street with what looked like some smaller homes and modified double-wide mobile homes. Am guessing that is where he is staying for the time being.

The article said the land in the "lava zones 1 & 2" was the cheapest in the state (chain of islands) and it's obvious why. I think it was literally a luck of the draw as to whether the volcano would suddenly erupt after all these decades, and then open up lava fissures so far away from the actual mountain itself.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:08 AM

6. This is hard for anyone but being burned to death by lava is not

an option for me.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:10 AM

8. the lava moves slowly. Mr. Knox has time to peddle away on his bike

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:30 AM

10. I remember in the 1980's when lava wiped out the Kalapana subdivision. It was

so slow, so terrifying, so inexorable. They tried diverting it by cooling and damming the flow with water, but nothing worked. It overwhelmed everything. It must be unbelievably stressful for the residents there. The price of Paradise, I guess.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:34 AM

11. How horrible

I guess they shouldn’t expect any help either.

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Response to samplegirl (Reply #11)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:32 AM

25. Yeah, it is already all over "the net" that they are getting

what they deserve for having so many "librul" politicians. The deplorable's are pure evil.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:38 AM

12. It's a gamble to build in a location like this and sometimes you lose.

Mother Nature is beautiful - especially in Hawaii - and dangerous at the same time.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #12)

Sun May 6, 2018, 12:37 PM

32. It's sad he could lose his bet

Though risky, it was still a worthy bet considering the beauty as long as he understood the risk.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:42 AM

13. I notice it is about to get the electric pole. It will be next to impossible to fix. If the fellow

doesn't actually lose his home, he would be living with out electricity for months - or forever. He needs to leave!

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #13)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:47 AM

15. there is a neighborhood in hawaii that got cutoff by volcano flow years ago. people still live there

there is no roads in. they travel back and forth by motorbike, bringing their supplies in. very beautiful
tropical surroundings, surrounded by blackened ground. wish i could find the video of it.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #13)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:56 AM

17. here is the story... people live (off the grid) in neighborhood eaten up by lava in 1990





http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23809963/ns/us_news-life/t/lava-lovers-live-active-hawaiian-volcano/#.Wu7s3ogvzIU

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But some residents live with the boiling lava every day and revel in the notion that their homes and lives are subject to the whims of earth’s awesome underground forces.

The danger has become clearer in recent weeks. Earlier this month, a two-block-wide swath of lava burned through abandoned homes and reached the ocean. And the first gas explosion at Kilauea’s peak since 1924 scattered gravel onto a tourist lookout, road and trail before daybreak last week, injuring no one but spreading fear.

Olson and her scattered neighbors have built houses atop blasted land of hardened black crust where previous neighborhoods were destroyed by lava flows in 1990. Most get their power from solar panels, their water from the rain and some of their food from gardens planted between lava rocks. Until a new lava viewing area began drawing big crowds a few weeks ago, they lived in relative isolation.

“This is heaven on earth,” said Edmund Orian, who is building a house by hand out of lava rocks in Kalapana. “Living near a volcano keeps you aware that God is in control. If the lava comes, we can always move.”




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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #17)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:50 AM

22. Wow! Mahalo, Demovictory

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #17)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:05 AM

23. Bo Lozoff died a couple of years ago

He did prison work (meditation programs) - I'm not sure when this was filmed exactly, but it seems like he died shortly after this was filmed.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #17)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:33 AM

26. No dear, (pats her tiny pointy lil head) NATURE is in control.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:01 AM

18. That has got to be terrifying

But better slower lava and some fore-knowlege than a pyroclastic flow that can reach 430 mph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:44 AM

20. Mother earth giveth....

and mother earth taketh away.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:47 AM

21. Hope the best for you, Knox!

And, all the others who had to leave Leilani Estates

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 08:38 AM

27. Imagine looking out your backdoor and seeing this...

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #27)

Sun May 6, 2018, 02:34 PM

34. And I thought fire ants were bad.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #27)

Sun May 6, 2018, 04:03 PM

35. it's trying to get to the ocean, to build more hawaii

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:17 AM

29. Yup.

That would make me scoot.

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