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Sun May 6, 2018, 10:22 AM

IMO, article 4 of amendment 25 has a much higher chance than Mueller

has of ever getting DT45 in front of a grand jury.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:27 AM

1. Nope, the 25th Amendment doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President." Do you seriously think the Vice President and a majority of the cabinet officers will do a thing?

OTOH, United States v. Nixon says a president must comply with a subpoena.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:33 AM

4. DT45 can get any doctor to declare him unfit and let Pence play acting POTUS.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #4)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:50 AM

7. Why would he want to do that? Trump loves being the big cheese.

He's not going anywhere voluntarily.
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Response to CK_John (Reply #4)

Sun May 6, 2018, 12:56 PM

12. No way. He is the fittest president ever.

And he will always be the fittest president ever.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:27 AM

2. 25.4 ain't happening unless Donnie is in a coma

It just isn't a viable means to get rid of a bad president. You need cooperation from a cabinet where loyalty is usually a factor, and in Donnie's case it seems like the only factor.

Appearing before a grand jury, on the other hand, seems quite likely to be required, albeit probably on tape and almost surely with Donnie exclusively invoking the 5th or "not remembering".

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Response to unblock (Reply #2)

Sun May 6, 2018, 11:21 AM

8. How would we know if he is in a coma?

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #8)

Sun May 6, 2018, 11:24 AM

9. the msm would run non-stop footage of an empty podium awaiting donnie to rise up and speak again.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:31 AM

3. No way.. There is precedence for subpoena of President; absolutely none for 25th amendment on

President for anything other than death or total, (while temporary), incapacitation (e.g., anesthesia)

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:34 AM

5. It seems we need to revise the 25th Amendment

... as soon as the smart people are back in charge. Let's put this on the list of "Things To Do."



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #5)

Sun May 6, 2018, 10:47 AM

6. IMO, this is going to be the time.

Basically three groups settled this new continent. Hermits, Cultist, and Conquistadors.

Hermits were very tough people and every 60 or 70 yrs there decedents cause some upheaval with their go it alone attitude, no help from government, survive or die, I'll take care of me any way I can.

This is one of those times and they always fade from view after a while. They just don't like being around other people. They just move on.

Trump is just the current vendor of this BS and will use it for all its worth and move along.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #5)

Sun May 6, 2018, 11:29 AM

10. 25.4 was never intended to remove a bad president; that's what impeachment is for

25.4 was intended to remove a president who was incapacitated -- coma, stroke, etc.

it's not an accident that 25.4 isn't going to be the remedy for someone like donnie.


the problem is that money in politics and gerrymandering and the republican party have gotten so corrupt and have gained enough institutional control that congress's power of impeachment is now incapable of removing a bad president of the same party. well, at least, of the republican party.


if there's to be a solution, the best bet would be a constitutional amendment to allow for a no confidence vote somehow.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 12:53 PM

11. The use of the 25th Amendment to remove Trump is simply a fantasy of the Left.

Fantasies are nice but it's good to stay in touch with reality.

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