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[IluvPitties]

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[HopeAgain]

1. I believe that the objectification of people is not particularly healthy ever

and if you watch documentaries on the industry, the actors, and especially the actresses, are mostly supporting addictions or feel trapped by the work. I think it does feed into many mens perceptions of sex and even of women. If someone is objectified, they are to some degree, dehuminized.

That being said, we can't legislate it, but we do need to educate around it.

[IluvPitties]

3. Agreed!

[Blue_Adept]

9. There are a lot of people that shouldn't be in porn

Because they often go in WITH those addictions first, coming from abuse, and so forth, and end up in a worse place.

And, naturally, talk badly about it afterward.

But for every one of those there are probably quite a few more that had good experiences, stuck with it a long time with great outlooks, and probably even started their own production companies out of it or moved up within one.

[HopeAgain]

16. I think its likely the opposite

For every 100 laid waste by the industry, there might be one or two who come out with a good experience. Have you ever seen the documentary produced by Raseeda Jones? Worth seeing if you want to understand the industry.

[Blue_Adept]

18. As I said, for every one of those in those documentaries, you'll get a dozen with a good experience

There's problems to be had, just like any job.

I've watched a lot of the documentaries over the years on it. Not my first rodeo.

[hueymahl]

2. Porn, like almost all entertainment media, is a reflection of society

It is entertaining, scintillating, erotic, funny or sad because it speaks to something inside of us. Media, at its best, can lead us in new directions, identify aspects of us we did not know about or had shut our eyes to.

Porn does basically the same thing, but at a far more base, "forbidden" level.

It is really an interesting topic, and one that deserves a long discussion. For now though, I'll just say that having porn "reexamine itself" seems like an exercise in futility. Porn is pure commerce, pure capitalism. Producers are going to put out what sells. Period.

[Sherman A1]

6. Agreed

And Well Said.

[Blue_Adept]

4. Porn, like everything else, is always changing

Considering that between 40-50% of women watch porn these days

A huge number of women are self-producing content now and that the "classic/traditional" material is being pushed to the side (which makes them go further in trying to stand out).

More and more women are starting their own production companies and getting the awards for the content they produce.

Substitute porn for video games in your OP as well and look at that.

[ismnotwasm]

10. Thank God

I believe it’s changing as well, but there is too much racist crap stilll, and there are sites with non-visual submitted stories that are just fine with pedophilia.

There is some porn that appears even self-mocking, with great story lines, but a lot of it is just fucked up. I’m not a fan, but I’m realistic, and since pornographers and pornography will always be with us, I like to see these trends with better content and more under the control of women, as it was and is, sexist as shit far too often.

[Blue_Adept]

11. A lot of it is self-reinforced bias

When I'm on PornHub, for example, I tend to have subscriptions/feeds for actors that I like and specific genres. A lot of what I follow are the self-produced people that sell their stuff on ManyVids, for example. So you tend to not see a lot of that really racist or disturbing stuff.

I do think there's a lot more variety than there used to be, saying that as someone who has watched for the last 30+ years of my life and being online since the 80's. You're able to self-select what you want more too.

[Blue_Adept]

13. Part of it is that I just hate seeing it given a blanket "It's all this" statement that some apply

It's like saying all movies are superhero movies when it's far from the truth. Or all comic books are superhero comics. It's frustrating because it's hard to have any real conversation from there.

[ismnotwasm]

21. Did you ever see the horror film "One Eyed Monster"

With Ron Jeremy? it’s a classic “bad” horror, film, but the actors work in the industry and it pokes gently fun at the porn industry while validating the actors as fully human.

The dehumanizing of the actors on the part of the viewer, is part of the problem with pornagraphy, so seeing Stormy Daniels for instance as a fully engaged women clearly making her own body choices is very encouraging. To tell you the truth I thought porn was beyond redemption. I’m still not a fan, but it’s amazing to see it change.

[Canoe52]

5. We didn't have porn growing up, if lucky a playboy, the women posed seductively,

but the pictures didn’t even show the nether region yet, much less suggest rough sex.

I found out what my lovers liked by just asking them. What’s so difficult about that?

[Blue_Adept]

7. There are a lot of fetishes and things that can be more easily talked about with visual aids

like porn.

[Canoe52]

12. I wasn't knocking porn I was commenting on and curious about

why the lack of communication in a sexual situation. Just because porn depicts some heavy stuff, you are going to assume that’s what your play partner wants without asking her first? That’s the part I don’t understand.

My kids loved watching Smokey and the Bandit, but never thought when they turned 16 that’s how you drive a car in real life.

[Blue_Adept]

14. Ah, gotcha

Yeah, I never understood that mindset but I've long gathered that part of it comes from upbringing, where if there's a very closed off interacation between child/parents then it warps things when you yourself end up in an adult relationship. I got the sense that people like that would have been like that regardless of porn.

[Phoenix61]

19. Your kids had millions of other examples

of people driving cars. They were exposed to cars from the time they were born. Cars were just a part of life. Wouldn't it be amazing if we treated sex the same way? It's a part of life. People do it differently. Some ways are risky and some are down right dangerous.

[yallerdawg]

8. Looking at 'porn' as just a men's industry built on exploitation of women...

may just be a perpetuation of male ego.

There are - and have been - a number of women who have another perspective on this subject.

We are seeing a remarkably broad backlash against men of power and privilege who are learning they are just a couple disclosures away from disaster.

Women know how ridiculously stupid men are when it comes to sex.

I'm not at all sure who is getting exploited here.

[IluvPitties]

17. I see your point.

I just think it is worth looking at different aspects of our culture with fresh eyes.

[Sailor65x1]

15. Porn is bad for women

It gives a completely unrealistic view of how fast a plumber will come to your house, and how often pizza guys get the address wrong.....

[fescuerescue]

20. I agree. Porn needs to be examined

I'll probably do that right before bedtime tonight.

[Bucky]

22. Some is good, some is bad

my favorite is electricity porn.

money shot at 0:49