Our Revolution candidate destroyed in most high profile race so far - Ohio Gov.

[stevenleser]

This is a race they should have outperformed. Kucinich has a very high name recognition nationwide let alone in his home state. Instead here are the results:

Democratic Richard Cordray 423,264 62.3%
Democratic Dennis Kucinich 155,694 22.9%

Looks like Our Revolution is a fizzle. And that's a good thing.

[R B Garr]

1. K&R

[SunSeeker]

2. K & R

[sheshe2]

3. K&R

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. Good thing indeed.

I have an idea, if you want a "revolution" to get rid of ALL campaign financing issues and to elect pure candidates, why not do it AFTER you use the terrifically experienced existing politicians to work on REMOVING the NAZIS from the WH first, you know, first.

ACTUAL nazis.

[TheSmarterDog]

37. +1000

[Hortensis]

55. +1 The dissonance between high-sounding rhetoric

and actions that sabotage the claimed goals is a very very striking, repetitive pattern.

Kucinich's willingness to adopt Sanders rhetoric and his questionable, fringie actions obviously appealed to...the types those appeal to, but don't expect any of these losses to convince this group they need to choose candidates who appeal to most voters. They won't. They don't compromise their narrow requirements any more than their counterparts in the Tea Party did (this was before the Kochs cut off the funding and a few in office came around).

[Anon-C]

90. +1 yourself! Spot on.

[oasis]

109. Exactamundo!

[Cary]

178. And there is still no talking to these people

They twist any attempt to reach them into some kind of assault.

[Pachamama]

5. Because it was Kucinich

Enough said

[mountain grammy]

8. Exactly!

[arthritisR_US]

10. Yep.

[ehrnst]

17. Kucinich was only one - all OR endorsed candidates lost yesterday:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10595709

And only three have won since March:

https://ourrevolution.com/results/

[BigmanPigman]

28. That makes me smile!

[Demsrule86]

75. I smile when I read it.

[George II]

39. Actually one of those three was a ballot measure in Oregon - "Yes for Healthcare"

[DownriverDem]

139. Why do you think that is?

If they are far left, that could very well be why they lost.

[ehrnst]

161. OR likes to only support far left candidates.

That's the common denominator among them.

[True Blue American]

40. Once upon a time

Dennis Kucinich was a boy wonder. Mayor,he fought the Electric Companies and won. They promised to destroy Dennis. He finally fought back, became a Congressman.

As the years went by he became stranger. Lost his seat. That boy wonder was 40/45 years ago.

Lately Dennis has been appearing on Fox News.

Backed by Nina Turner,who lost her seat in Ohio, Nina went on to back Bernie. Tried her best to become a regular on CNN.

Three losses are enough, Nina. Time to get a job.

[Lonestarblue]

44. Nina did her best to divide Democrats in 2016.

She was a total turnoff to this Democrat.

[True Blue American]

47. For me,too

And I live here.

[GulfCoast66]

68. Unfortunately that is the only success she has had.

[ehrnst]

162. Yep. (nt)

[get the red out]

128. When he went on Fox

I immediately dismissed him as authentic in his professed beliefs. Liberal astroturf, thank goodness it doesn't stick as well to the Dem Party as the astro turfed Tea Party did to the Rep party.

[DownriverDem]

143. Don't need far left candidates

Far left candidates might win primaries, but they will not win the general election. Also we need to have a better message than impeaching trump. Recent polls show we need to say what our side will do for we the people.

[The Mouth]

145. THANK YOU

*EVERY* time I mention that the anti-Trump histrionics, accusations of 'fascism'(by people who wouldn't know the difference between 'fascism' and 'National Socialism' to save their lives), and ridicule of his voters accomplish nothing in terms of effecting actual elections (however good they make people feel) some dingbat thinks I'm 'pro Trump' or 'normalizing evil' or some such drivel!

A) you don't change people's minds by telling them they were/are idiots for what they believe or did. You simply don't; they double down- and anyone who thinks they will is more of a problem than a mere Trump supporter. All the ideological righteousness in the world ain't going to change human nature.

B) If we can't explain what we are going to do and why it will benefit voters, instead of attacking the Republicans, we will lose, and deservedly so.

[True Blue American]

146. You should have seen the nasty ads here

Between DeWine and his opponent. They attacked each other like rabid 🐶.

We shall see if that works in the General in Ohio.

Cordray talked about what needs to be done in Ohio.

[ehrnst]

163. I say let the extreme people run advocacy orgs

let those who have the ability to do administrivia and actually CRAFT LEGISLATION with their peers be politicians.

We get less done the more polarized our houses of government are, and we all lose when that happens - especially the most vulnerable.

[Jose Garcia]

6. Kucinich's problem was that far too many voters knew who he was

[R B Garr]

7. Is that so people will be fooled like with other con jobbers?

Hurry up and vote before people figure things out...

[ehrnst]

19. I always thought that was supposed to be a good thing for a candidate. (nt)

[True Blue American]

41. That depends

On what people know.

[ehrnst]

45. Like what happens when you release your financials...(nt)

[Crowman2009]

54. Not to mention that younger voters can find out his whacked out views doing a simple google search.

Anyone politician linked with InfoWhores and Alex Jonestown is just poison.

[True Blue American]

134. We can only hope

Younger voters do not want a 70 year old Trump supporter who is against the ACA, Medicaid,anything that helps others. 8 kids,you can bet he is against birth control, too.

[MineralMan]

9. I'm surprised he did that well, really.

I think it's time for him to stop running for things. He just keeps losing.

[JCanete]

11. good lord... they are competing from an entirely different funding level and

approach which they are trying to make successful, but which has obvious, predictable, hurdles. They aren't always going to be successful and will probably rarely be successful such is the system as it is. I'm not going to make a statement about Kucinich in particular, who does have name recognition, but who has a history of being quirky and recent history of saying some troubling things, nor Cordray who I don't know as a candidate,but your declaration that this makes our revolution a fizzle is silly. Of course there is no place where money doesn't talk loudest. Of course efforts like Our Revolution would need to slowly build a coalition of voters from a grass-roots and exposure over time approach. The effort continues to fight big money in politics, and that's a noble effort regardless of whether or not Goliath takes the day, and the louder that message is the better all of our democratic candidates will be on these issues. Presumably the front-runners with big financial support will have the advantage and will typically take the day, but they will still have incentive and cover to speak more directly to campaign finance because of groups applying pressure from the left, never because there are no such groups.

[ehrnst]

15. You know that OR doesn't fund candidates, right?

Are you saying that the candidates they endorsed lost because they couldn't get funding?

No amount of money was going to erase Kucinich's calling for Obama to be impeached, or other more recent remarks.

It was the decision of Our Revolution to endorse him, even knowing that. They want to tout their influence of their endorsement when a candidate wins, and they need to understand and learn from when their influence is just not enough. Doesn't appear to be happening.

How do you explain all the other OR endoresed candidates' losses yesterday and since March? To say that the only reason all of them lost because was that they didn't have more money is silly.

They are just not really in line with progressive, liberal voters. Which is fine - hey, go out and champion the underdog, but the claim that they really speak for the majority is just not borne out by the evidence.


Sue Spicer
Indiana
Election: May 8, 2018
U.S. House of Representatives, 7th District
LOST

Dennis Kucinich
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
Governor
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Kyle Earley
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative, District 10
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Yvonka Hall
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative District 12
LOST

Steve Holecko
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative, District 14
LOST

Mary Ann Claytor
West Virginia
Election: May 8, 2018
State Senate, District 17
LOST

Lizette Escobedo
California
Election: April 10, 2018
Whittier City Council
LOST

Steve Dunwoody
California
Election: April 3, 2018
Assembly District 54
LOST

Daniel Biss
Illinois
Election: March 20, 2018
Governor
LOST

Marie Newman
Illinois
Election: March 20, 2018
US Representative, 3rd District
LOST

Derrick Crowe
Texas
Election: March 6, 2018
US Representative, 21st District
LOST

Carina Driscoll
Vermont
Election: March 6, 2018
Mayor of Burlington
LOST

Brianna Westbrook
Arizona
Election: Feb. 27, 2018
U.S. House of Representatives, District 8
LOST

Tim Burns
Wisconsin
Election: Feb. 20, 2018
State Supreme Court
LOST


https://ourrevolution.com/results/

[ehrnst]

22. So you're saying that Democrats can't decide for themselves

who is and isn't a good candidate, we just choose the one with the most big donors?

Really?

[northoftheborder]

30. I didn't know Derrick Crow was endorsed by OR. I heard him speak twice, and liked what he had to...

...say. But there were several other excellent candidates in that district primary.

[True Blue American]

46. What a record,huh?:)

[True Blue American]

43. Cordray was chosen

To head Elizabeth Warrens Consumer Agency when Mitch and his gang refused to let her run the Agency she created.

He saved tax payers millions.

Elizabeth ran for Senator in Mass. against Brown. Now she is a real thorn in the side of Republicans.

Rich came back to Ohio because Democrats coaxed him to run.

[Cha]

66. And, Senator Warren endorsed him!

[GulfCoast66]

69. But someone else did not. Care to guess?

Need a clue??

[Cha]

70. I think I got it..

[fleabiscuit]

111. Probably someone not a Democrat. Just guessing. nt

[True Blue American]

117. Some one

Who loves DEWine?

[Demsrule86]

77. Our revolution was invented to take down the Democratic Party...and I hope they are not successful..

Oh I doubt Sen. Sanders intended that ...but that is what Nina intends. She hates Democrats.

[True Blue American]

136. Thank you for that!

[Demsrule86]

165. It is true...as we both know.

[True Blue American]

170. Nina Turner is simply trying to find a place to land after losing her seat in Ohio

First she latched on to Bernie, he lost. Nina tried to land a job on CNN, total make over. That did not work, now Dennis, lost again.

Nina does not hate Democrats, she is simply trying desperately to hang on.

[Demsrule86]

185. I voted for her but after her loss she turned against Democrats.

I would hope that Sen. Sanders would distance himself from this group...he created it but does he support it? I hope not.

[True Blue American]

187. I probably would have,too if I lived in her District

But honestly She is just trying to hang on in the Political scene.

Mike DeWine is doing the same thing. After Sherrod Brown defeated him I thought sure he would go back to Greene County to his Law practice, but he came back on Kasich coat tails.

Buckeyes blamed Strickland for the Bush recession. Kasich still only won by 2%.

[Demsrule86]

189. I know but things are different now...we have a super gerrymander which allows a stranglehol on the

legislature. DeWine has a chance. And despite Turners motivations, she has done real damage to the party. I hope Cordray can beat De Wine...but I don't take is as a sure thing.

[True Blue American]

191. I do understand

How you feel, but honestly think Nina is not important to worry about.she lost 3 times.

As for the election I never predict, but we just have to do what we can to succeed..

Even Republicans backed Issue 1. I am waiting to see Cordray campaign.

If DeWine stays as vicious as he was during the Primary. Husted is despised in his home town.

[Demsrule86]

198. Dewine is a vicious piece of crap.

[True Blue American]

200. Yet,DeWine is a devout

Roman Catholic with 8 children.

He opposed the Medicaid expansion and is far,far right!

Yet he can not even solve a massive family slaughter. He posed all over in Piketon while the cameras were on,disappeared from sight once they went off.

Claims to be working to solve the Opoid problem, it is worse than when he took office.

One,nasty, vicious man, just like Trump and Pence.

[Demsrule86]

204. He is horrible ...a big hypocrite and really a murderer if he got his way with Medicaid.

[lapucelle]

101. Our Revolution is a dark money organization.

Because it was structured as a 501(c)(4), neither voters nor journalists are privy to the amount of money it raises or where it comes from.

https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/02/17/a-glossary-of-campaign-finance-in-the-u-s/#501(c)(4)

https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/08/26/bernie-sanderss-new-political-group-wont-have-to-disclose-its-donors/

[Tavarious Jackson]

12. I had a candidate call me to support her in the primary

I looked at my voter book and saw she was endorsed by my revolution and I flat told her that was her kiss of death. I ws voting for her opponent

[R B Garr]

14. Love this. It will be my strategy in the California primary

coming up.

[Tavarious Jackson]

18. This was Oregon

I have already mailed my ballot

[ehrnst]

13. Every single one of their candidates in yesterday's primary lost.

https://ourrevolution.com/results/

[R B Garr]

16. Wow.

That is quite a statement.

Thanks for this info, ehrnst.

[MineralMan]

21. Yup. Our Revolution is a losing proposition.

That's not where things are going.

[ehrnst]

31. Somehow this will be spun as their candidates being "too ethical" or "too honest"

or "not in the pocket of some corporate master," for the masses to be able to understand, or some such bull.

Already happening on other threads, BTW.

[R B Garr]

33. LOL, I think you are right about that. nt

[stubtoe]

50. They'll just blame the DNC or the DCCC or Nancy Pelosi

Or any of their other favorite punching bags. They never seem to learn that it's voters who do the voting, for some reason.

[GulfCoast66]

71. You mean the same punching bags as the Republicans?

Things that make you go hmmm. Nyet?

[Blue_true]

83. They will make their shrill call for all open primaries.

Eventhough open primaries are a horrible idea.

[Cha]

115. Bottom line.. they weren't inspiring.

Link to tweet

[kcr]

130. Good

Music to my ears.

[sunRISEnow]

23. I think it is really important our Democratic Party shows its strength right now.

To create the blue wave into a tsunami. This is a good thing. Clear and loud win for the Democratic Party.

[ehrnst]

24. Thank goodness that OR isn't Democratic. (nt)

[sunRISEnow]

25. They make statements they would vote Republican and Sanders is an Independent.

The organization is not part of the Democratic Party, is it? I am not real clear on that.

[ehrnst]

27. No, they are not. (nt)

[True Blue American]

188. No, Bernie

Became an Independent after he lost. He had promised to go back to the Senate as a Democrat.

The MSM and DNC keep promoting him. Perez and Ellison

[Tiggeroshii]

26. Not a candidate they should have ever touched if they cared about credibility

[Dopers_Greed]

29. They should go start a Revolution...

...in Russia.

[dalton99a]

32. They should have named it Our Great Revolution - MAGA

[yallerdawg]

34. Kick...

and highly recommend!

[Gothmog]

35. I am glad that the Our Revolution candidate lost

This group is not trying to help the party

[brooklynite]

36. Here are their other major race nominees...

Jane Kim, Mayor of San Francisco
Andy Thorburn, CA-39
Joe Salazar, CO-AG
Andrew Gillum, FL-GOV
Stacey Abrams, GA-GOV
Cathy Glasson, IA-GOV
Pete D'Alessandro, IA-3
Paulette Jordan, ID-GOV
Chuy Garcia, IL-4
Brent Welder, KS-3
Ben Jealous, MD-GOV
Jonathan Fulford, ME-2
Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, MI-GOV
John Heenan, MT-AL
Jim Keady, NJ-4
Peter Jacob, NJ-7
Amy Vilela, NV-4
Connie Johnson, OK-Gov
Gregory Edwards, PA-7
Jess King, PA-11
Rick Trevino, TX-23
Laura Moser, TX-7

[grantcart]

38. Laura Moser? Wasn't she Dexter and Brian's mother?

[RandySF]

80. Jess King is the only Democrat on the ballot in PA-11

And Paulette Jordan has broad support in the party. Jane Kim has a real shot at getting elected mayor. Their candidates for Wisconsin Supreme Court and Mayor of Burlington lost.

[GWC58]

127. Ben Jealous will get

wiped out for MD governor in the primary. Unfortunately I think Hogan is re-elected. 🙄

[crazycatlady]

205. I doubt Jim Keady has a chance

I just received my absentee ballot and was going through the Twitter feeds of my Congressional candidates. Keady's was attacking the 'establishment' for not being progressive enough. Pass.

Besides Josh Welle's people called me a few times. As a field person, the campaign that calls/knocks me first gets my vote.

[Valhallakey]

42. Democrats need to keep moving to the right

We have no national figure like FDR to LEAD people to the conclusion that things like healthcare, college education etc... should be covered for all people. Instead overall the Democrats keep moving right as the right goes over the edge. We mainly have Republican light (Democrats) and Crazy (Republicans) as politicians at this point.

[Cha]

67. Sorry, you have no clue.. our Dems aren't "moving to the

right". Study up on the Dem platform.

We don't mainly have "republican light(Democrats)".. all you have all insults without any knowledge, Valhalllakey.

[True Blue American]

171. Good

Democrats need to stick to the values we have always stood for.

Republicans cheat,lie, work with Russians, anything to win. They have now been exposed. And backing Trump is their downfall.

We need to quit going off in factions,backing any silly ranger that promises the moon and work together. We have many good,young Democrats ready to be Leaders, not pie in the sky old men,long past their sale date.

[Cha]

172. Yeah, the propaganda

about Dems being repub light isn't helping.

[True Blue American]

173. Do we,

By any chance have some Russian bots? Just asking, by the posts in this thread..

Just a few too many Democratic insults for me.

[Cha]

174. Who knows? Could be

or just any ol one.

[True Blue American]

175. So many of the posts in this thread sound

So. Mean about fellow Democrats.

I know they are 24 hour ones on other boards. They are easy to spot,,are computer driven.

[Valhallakey]

195. This thread started as a slam

You get a clue. I have lived in many places and in most our Democrats would be the right or center right party. But I suppose it is more important to start threads slamming the most active part of the Democratic Party then if anyone disagrees with that premise, disparage them. But of course you are so much smarter. Our centrist candidate won the presidency so who am I to complain.

[Cha]

196. You go read the Democratic Platform and then we'll

talk.. you have not one clue what's going on. Not even one

[sunRISEnow]

199. I think this is the talking point big "P"'s use. The Democratic party I am involved in locally

are progressive arguing and doing and striving for the people. I hear these comments from people that want to weaken the party, or destroy it. Not from the party I participate in.

[marble falls]

203. cheetolini a centrist, you're glad he won? You're at the wrong place - say bye-bye....

the pizza truck is pulling up.

[Blue_true]

86. FDR left out.

Blacks, American Indians, Women. Pretty progressive, not!!!!!!!'

[True Blue American]

169. FDR

Left out no one. Attitudes were much different then.

I was alive and listened to FDR many times. It is clear you have no idea of how Democrats have managed to give Civil Rights over the years.

[Blue_true]

180. So we are not fighting negative attitudes now from lots of republican voters?

What a quaint assessment. People like me and others keep trying to explain that in any era, it is attitudes that is the problem, progress just does not magically happen because we want it to happen. That is the case now, it was the case with FDR, if not we would have had universal healthcare long, long ago. Wishful thinking, ignoring historical realities and talking about pie in the sky ideas that have no grounding in reality will not bring about progress, progress has historically happened because of determination and grindingly hard work. FDR did not include blacks and American Indians in the new deal because it was way too hard for him to, so he didn't. Lyndon Johnson faced different times and was able to do a lot more for both ignored groups and whites at the same time. The amount of progress is a function of the times that a leader lives in, so is success, FDR FAILED where LBJ succeeded. Please don't accuse me of ignoring progress that democrats have brought about, anyone that regularly read my posts here should know that charge is patently untrue.

So are you around 90 years old? I doubt that a child would listen to FDR and understand what was being said.

[True Blue American]

181. I did

Listened to the Day Of Infamy Speech on our Crowley radio.when we were attacked. A small child can be deeply affected by what they hear,Especially back then. Radio and News shorts at the Movies, Newspapers were all the news you could get.

And no,I am not 90 years old, but you would be wise to listen to those who lived then.

You have no conception of how things have changed over the years,and almost all have been because because Democrats fought for them.

The only Republican President I admired was Eisenhower who gave us the Interstate system designed on the Autobahn in Germany.

[Blue_true]

182. I am aware that only democrats have brought about progress.

Do you think that I just crawled out of some dark hole? Anyone who has been alive for the last 50 years SHOULD know that only democrats have moved the needle on progress, something some that have found their way here apparently don't understand.

[True Blue American]

183. Thank yo.

[Trumpocalypse]

125. Were you alive when FDR was President?

[Gore1FL]

48. Anything that brings people to the polls on the left is a good thing.

Some of those people are new voters who are going to go to the polls and vote on issues and candidates that you do approve of.

You can root for whatever candidate you may chose. I think Richard Cordray was the better choice too. You and I can and should should be celebrating Richard Cordray's victory. We should also be celebrating the participation of Democrat Dennis Kucinich in the primaries. They aren't enemies. They are Democrats.

[GulfCoast66]

74. Ideally I would agree.

But let’s meet up here in 4 months and see how much support this group lends to our (Democratic) candidates.

I’ll give you a hint... none. Hope I am wrong

Competitive races are great if both sides are in total agreement that after one wins all join together and become a strong team. OR has a history of sulking and going home.

Because they are at heart not members of our party. They support...well, someone or something else.

[Gore1FL]

94. I vote left in primaries and party in general elections.

Richard Cordray fit that category for me in the primaries in this case.

In 2016 I voted for Sanders in the Primaries, Clinton in the GE, because that's how our system works. I realize some don't. We fundamentally don't want disassociate ourselves from what is a fundamentally healthy way to energize and grow our party along natural and existing coalitions.

We have the system we have. Our electoral strategies need to ultimately be inclusive. The post-2016 purist threads are tiresome and make DU unwelcoming.

[GulfCoast66]

97. Well, if we are different parts of one coalition I agree.

But when one group makes it clear they do not as a solid rule support the Democratic Party then we are not on the same team. OR has made that clear they may at some time support a non democratic or even republican candidate. Which makes it clear they have a higher goal than electing Democrats.

Pretty hard to find common ground in that situation.

Keeping in mind that a great majority of Bernie supporters do NOT fall into that category. But many do.

[Gore1FL]

100. It's ultimately up to the the individual what they are going to do

I'm suggesting that it is foolish to proactively push people away.

I do not understand the desire to drive potential allies, or even potential sometimes-allies away.

We have the system that we have. It's designed to have a nomination phase and a general election phase. If we don't come together for the general election, we lose. While there is an argument to be made that some of the voters won't support the nominee. There are three possible approaches:

1> Tell the voters of the losing candidate to fuck off (as this thread does).
2> Do Nothing
3> Embrace the voters of the losing candidate, and welcome them into the next phase with their new candidate.

Projected Outcomes:
1> We lose. People will blame those that they told to fuck off for fucking off.
2> Tossup. The yield will be lower than it could have been
3> We win. Democrats unite behind the candidate they chose in a fair process. Though some may do it grudgingly, many will show up and vote for the Democrat.

Where is the error in my logic? What do we lose by encouraging voter participation on the left?

[GulfCoast66]

102. That error in your question is the lack of logic!

What are you even asking for?

That the winner embraces the positions of the loser?

Tell the losers that they were right all along?

Embracing the supporters of the loser sounds a lot like admitting they were right. That’s some kind of bullshit.

Should we give the supporters of the loser a participation metal?

This is not fucking grammar school, we are fighting for the future of our nation.

Politics is a contact sport. The Republicans realize that. Our gadflies do not.

[Gore1FL]

103. What am I asking for?

I am asking that you look at how the primary system is supposed to work and them follow that model. I'm 52 and it has more or less worked the entirety of that time. It's the system we use. To pretend otherwise is folly.

It's best to get the most votes by getting the most votes possible, not by getting less.

What am I asking for? The attempt at party unity.

Be fair.
Be kind.
Be inclusive.
Be welcoming.
Find common ground.
Applaud--don't shame their participation in Democratic Party primary.
If nothing else, don't be an asshole.

But hey, go ahead and tell them all to go away from our party. They can go and vote for someone else, you can say. Many will be happy to oblige, I am sure. We'll get Republicans running things some more. That'll sure show them!

[GulfCoast66]

104. Well, those things are all constructive.

But the losing side has some obligations as well.

Those would be:

Be fair
Be kind
Be inclusive
Be welcoming
Find common ground
Applaud
Don’t be an asshole.

And I would add a few:

Do not be a poor loser
Do not blame the rules you signed up for
Never suggest you will support a republican
Realize you lost and be humble

And most of all...be a fucking member of the Democratic Party!

[Gore1FL]

105. I'm all good for that.

The OH Gov primary that this thread is about was yesterday.

Where are the people being poor losers?
Who is blaming the rules they signed up for?
What Kucinich supporters suggested they would support Mike Dewine?
Who hasn't realized that Kucinich has lost? Where is the pride you mention?

Do you have links are are all of these hypothetical arguments used to justify proactively drive people we have some, but not many, disagreements with away?

[GulfCoast66]

108. LOL! What the internet does best!!

Making enemies out of friends.

I got a little carried away.

If your DU name means what is I think we are both working hard to turn Florida blue.

If not let’s all do what we can to bring liberal democratic policies were possible.

I apologize for any offense I have given. But not for defending the democratic party!

Have a nice evening.

[True Blue American]

192. That I agree with.

And,after a Primary battle we pull together and go on.

If we do not, Republicans will win. The choice is up to us.

[paleotn]

49. Good....

No worries for Kucinich though. He's still got his spot on Fux News. His crazy ass shtick plays well there.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

58. SOP for Fox News. They get someone a little goofy looking and swat them around on air.

Al Franken used to ask Alan Colmes why he wouldn’t go after Hannity. Alan would say “that’s not the format of the show”

They prefer a “liberal” who will grovel at their feet and lick their boots for a paycheck.

[stevenleser]

60. At least this sour grapes statement of yours wasn't homophobic, like the one you posted below

I guess that’s progress

[Botany]

51. I live in OH

Kucinich has long since stopped being worth anything and is seen
as a joke by most people. But he'll go back and become a "Fox News
liberal" because he needs to feel important.

[marble falls]

56. Why would he need to put on kneepads, I'm wondering.

[George II]

57. Seems homophobic to me.

[stevenleser]

62. Clearly it was. Shows you where some folks' minds are at. Their homophobia is their go to

As far as attempted insults toward other people.

[Eliot Rosewater]

64. Sad, it is.

[marble falls]

65. Me, too. Nastily so.

[stevenleser]

59. LOL, no ad-hominem against me will change the fact that Our Revolution has failed

and it’s candidates are being rejected by overwhelming numbers. Virtually the entire slate of Our Revolution candidates were wiped out.

But hey, if homophobic, unoriginal, ad-hominem and sour grapes statements are what get some through the day to cope...

[Demsrule86]

124. Thing is I agree with you on Our Revolution...can't stand them. But I still think if you know this

poster that the attacks against him were unfair. And I disagree with him on a number of issues.

[Demsrule86]

87. Some look for trouble. You are not homophobic...

[FreeState]

95. And some like to come here and not see blatant homophobic sentiment

There was no need to bring gay sex into the above comment. Zero.

[Demsrule86]

123. Really? My daughter is a Lesbian...and I hate folks who use LGBTQ as a weapon against others.

Do you really believe the poster is anti-gay?. I don't. I find your attacks baseless.

[stevenleser]

132. We're not going to agree on this. I think it's pretty simple. That posters insult breaks down to

accusing two men of giving a blowjob to another man. That's the insult.

Its particularly hilarious given that the whole schtick of poster who wrote it is to accuse other people and their candidates of not being liberal or progressive enough on the issues.

Apparently that does not extend to LGBTIQ rights.

[Demsrule86]

167. Many people use the term without considering it as a Gay slur; it could mean "sucking" up hehe

(OK that was a joke). How is that for a play on words. You have to consider intent. Do you believe this particular poster meant it as a slur? And that is all I will say although I will read anything you post. Hey we agree on this thread as usual. I hope Our revolution has a big sad...

[FreeState]

168. I'll take privilege for 1000 Alex n/t

[Demsrule86]

186. I wouldn't disagree...hahah. have a great day!

[True Blue American]

116. Right on

Kind of reminds me of those out of staters who like Kasich because he seems to be such a reasonable guy.

I remember his attitude when he came in on a 2% win because many blamed Strickland for the Bush recession. Hung ho,he was going to fix Ohio.

Charter School scandals out the wazoo, cuts in Public Education, cut the state taxes so local had to raise the sales tax. Tried to kill the Teachers Unions. We took him to the Ballot box,huge rejection.

Now,Kasich is Moderate.

[FarPoint]

52. As an Ohioan....

Kucinich is not who we wanted...not even close....

[Demsrule86]

88. Agree completely.

I live in Ohio too.

[FarPoint]

176. When Kucinich announced his primary run...

Eye rolling was immediate....

[Demsrule86]

190. Many eyes rolled including mine.

[True Blue American]

193. So now,we have our choice

It is up to us to get Cordray elected.

DeWine is too old,set in the past, as most Republicans are.

The past was not that great for many of us. We need to stick together.

[Demsrule86]

197. Yep...fired up and ready to go.

[Scurrilous]

61. K&R

[BlueDog22]

63. I'm Glad

This "revolution" just took resources we could have used for the general. We need every dollar.

[PatrickforO]

72. So...we're actually looking at this as a bellwether

gauging the relative strength of the Bernie wing versus the Obama/Warren wing??

And then we're gloating over the victory of the....which....wing?

Guess I was under the impression we're all planning to vote straight D tickets and flip both houses. But you know what?

- I still want us to

a) end the Trump tax cuts,
b) educate people about the role taxes actually play in quality of life, and
c) raise taxes to a reasonable rate.

Because I want stronger Social Security and universal healthcare. I'd also like us to explore public banking as a nation.

We also need more subsidies in Head Start and other ECE, better school nutrition and to de-voucherize and de-charterize the K-12 system. Instead why not try and make that system so good it is the envy of the world?

And I want no-debt postsecondary education at state community colleges, colleges and universities.

Also back IN the Paris agreement and the Iran agreement, and an end to tariffs and a beginning to some fair trade agreements.

I'm active in my county's Dem party and am on its platform committee, and those things were advanced to the state level.

Ideally, in a country with a government that is supposed to be of, by and for the people, we should be using our tax dollars for programs like this that alleviate financial stress and better our quality of life.

We also need to bring social justice issues front and center. So what am I? Far left? Center? Bernie wing? Warren wing?

[RandySF]

76. I wouldn't call Our Revolution ANY wing of the Democratic Party.

They called Elizabeth Warren a sellout. They scream bloody murder every time one of their candidates loses. They're pushing the fake Uranium One story against Hillary on social media. These folks do not play well with others.

[PatrickforO]

91. Oh. See, I didn't even know they existed. I guess both parties have a crazy wing, eh?

I don't even want to know what the hell the 'uranium one' story about Clinton is. It is clearly a right wing smear. Clinton's been accused of everything under the sun and none of it stuck. Honestly, I credit the virulent hate directed at her to misogyny and the virulent hate directed at Obama to racism. Because both are fine and upstanding public servants who genuinely did their utmost to uphold this nation, it's people and its Constitution.

Sigh...

Uranium one.

Shit.

[wonkwest]

120. I have no use for Our Revolution

And anyone who calls Elizabeth Warren a sell-out I have even less use for. Furthermore, I don't want Bernie to run in 2020. Right now, Kamala Harris is my person. I'll look at others because it's early yet, but she's where my heart and brain are right now.

However, anyone who doesn't admit these OPs and threads - that are posted nearly daily - aren't continued sour grapes about the 2016 primary and pretending they're not a bunch of partisan hippy punching aren't being honest.

Disingenuousness and feigned obtuseness when we are facing the most important midterms of our lifetimes are games we cannot afford play at this point in time. We need the Hillary Wing and the Bernie Wing. We need moderates, centrists, liberals, and progressives.

And yet, everyday, a new thread punching down at the hippies and progressives.

The 2016 primary is long gone. And yet, we're supposed to pretend these OPs, threads, and posts aren't all about that bitterness.

It's over. We have so much more important work ahead of us over the next five months. Less than five.

People who cannot live without these threads are now suspect in my mind. Because they're not drawing people to our party. Quite the opposite. Very quite.

There are assholes on the Left. No secret. There are a lot of them. But this constant attack vein on progressives because people just cannot get over the 2016 primary is enough enough. We don't have fish to fry. We've a fucking whale who is destroying our country. But this is what occupies some people's minds? That maybe some people still may like Bernie in some way.

Eh-fucking-nough. It's transparent as hell and it's damaging our party's chances because it's so damn alienating. Why take the House by one vote when we can take it by twenty?

Just enough. People are being fucking children.

[obamanut2012]

121. lolz

shoo

[stevenleser]

78. I look at it as a victory of the Democratic Party over the ratf%!?ing brigade myself. nt

[GulfCoast66]

79. We all pretty much agree with all that give or take a few things here are there

The problem is that OR, while they support these things have an even higher loyalty.

And have proven to go against good Democratic candidates who supports those those agenda items if that candidate does not share their higher agenda.

These are the people who booed John Lewis at the Democratic convention. John Lewis. They are irreconcilable in my mind.

[PatrickforO]

92. Booing John Lewis?

What 'higher agenda' could anyone have than John Lewis?

Our founders created this nation on compromise. That's why a bicameral legislature, and executive branch and a judicial branch with all those checks and balances. They didn't want us to go the wrong direction really fast.

[GulfCoast66]

93. Did you watch the Democratic convention?

John Lewis was given a speaking spot to honor, well everything about him.

He supported Hillary.

Those who did not booed him. Democratic Party delegates. At the Democratic convention. On National TV.

Un-fucking-forgivable.

So when I get an occasional hide, you will know why.

[PatrickforO]

98. Oh. Lewis is a genuinely great man. A true American hero.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but man, when you watch those old videos of those people marching across the Pettus Bridge knowing that some were going to die and all were going to be bloodied, but marching on because they knew they were right.

The dogs, the fire hoses, the police in construction hardhats with their truncheons. Blood in the streets. Blood of children, women and men.

And Lewis was THERE.

I'm with you. No cause to boo a guy like that.

[GulfCoast66]

99. I am curious though...

Because no real democrat would boo him. What are your thoughts on those who did boo him at the Democratic convention? Because that is where the rubber meats the road.

[fleabiscuit]

112. BOOM! Very good.

[Demsrule86]

84. There is no Bernie wing. He is not a Democrat. And those issues you mentioned are Democratic

issues. As Democrats, we must move forward and win elections...the idea that OR primaried Joe Manchin in WV with a Candidate who could never win a general says it all. They risk multiple seats with their bad choice of candidates in districts and state where they could never win a general even if they made it through the primary...They want to lose their way to
the revolution I guess.

[Demsrule86]

73. K&R

Good news. we surely would have lost if Kucinich won...voted for Cordray. At least we have a shot in November.

[RandySF]

81. .

Link to tweet

[JI7]

82. Kucinich would have lost either way

[Demsrule86]

89. The problem is Kucinich would have lost the general...sure Cordray might also. DeWine is from a

political dynasty and he is a tough candidate but at least we have a chance.

[True Blue American]

118. DeWine lost to

Sherrod Brown. He is not invincible.

Political Dynasty? From what? One son is elected?

[Demsrule86]

122. The DeWines have been in Ohio politics for years...since Reagan.

Sherrod Brown did indeed beat him. But sherrod is very well liked. Cordray doesn't have that level of support yet. I am hoping for the best and will work for both Cordray's and Brown's election.

[True Blue American]

133. Mike's parents turned a small

Business into an International company. The DeWone Family is from Green County. Green is next to Montgomery. Mike has been in Politics for decades, he is 70. All we need is another old man in charge in Ohio.

http://www.milb.com/documents/2010/01/05/7876250/1/DeWine_Family_Biographies.pdf

[Demsrule86]

166. I know...but the name means something here...I want Cordray to win and will do what I can.

[ismnotwasm]

96. K&R

[fleabiscuit]

107. Guess there is a poll for everything.

[Callado119]

110. Resign?

Nina Turner should resign and go knit, or is she not tired of all this “winning”

[fleabiscuit]

113. Something familiar about that. nt

[True Blue American]

119. Resign from what? Nina lost her seat in Ohio,

Went full tilt for Bernie, he lost. Tried her best to become a regular at CNN, changed her wigs and big glasses so often it was hard to keep up. Then went for Dennis, big time, he lost.

Time to get a job, Nina.

[Utah Grizzlee]

114. Screw You, Sue!

[Trueblue Texan]

126. Kucinich has lost his mind...

Maybe Ohio started using found theirs again?

[dembotoz]

129. Remember the good old days when we cheered a defeat of the gop?

Focus folks on the real bad guy

[katmondoo]

131. Kucinich was never my pick

He was a big favorite on DU years ago however he was always all talk and nothing else.

[True Blue American]

135. Richard Cordray for

Those who do not know his History. Chosen by President Obama to lead the Agency Elizabeth Warren created. Saved tax payers millions of dollars.

He was persuaded by the Democratic Party to come back to Ohio to run for Governor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cordray

[Bernardo de La Paz]

137. Not my revolution. . . . nt

[DownriverDem]

138. Wrong Candidate

Doesn't Kucinich have russian ties? Besides remember, we need the votes of not just the far left to win elections.

[Dopers_Greed]

140. Too bad...

...that the "Our Revolution" supporters will probably choose to stay home in November and hand the midterms to the Repubs.

Because that is the "pure" thing to do.

[DownriverDem]

144. They are then total fools

Haven't they learned enough from Nov 2016?

[HenryWallace]

141. A rollcall of people who miss the point!

No one has ever questioned conservative-leaning Democrats' ability to win primaries!

The important question is can they consistently win general elections?

(outside of running against pedophiles, the worst President in American history, and now the most vile President in American history).

Your looking for a tribal win (at a cost of seeding your next electoral defeat)....

[stevenleser]

147. Nope, when you lose the primary by 20-40% you're not a general election contender

We didn’t miss the point, you did.

[HenryWallace]

148. Says an individual whose Party is

at its lowest point of governing reliance in nearly a century...


See no problem, hear no problem, and (at DU) speak no problem!

[stevenleser]

149. And your solution is to put forth candidates who get 40% fewer votes than mine. Great job!

And by the way, I notice how you indicated you do not identify as a Democrat. If that is the case, what is your purpose here?

[HenryWallace]

160. Hey genius,

there is a difference between primaries and general elections.

The former you can win, the latter you can't (or if you do, you seem to hack off the American electorate).

We are finished.

[stevenleser]

184. Hey Captain Obvious, everyone knows that just like everyone knows if you lose the primary by 40%

you are not a stronger general election candidate.

If you can't wrap your head around that, you have closed your mind to rational thought.

[BobTheSubgenius]

142. Back in the day when opposition to W was trying to find its footing,

I actually liked Dennis. Alas...

At least I don't have the regret of "back in the good old days," because they weren't.

[lovemydogs]

150. Why are you not going after republicans instead of democrats

It seems to me this is a post trashing someone on the left.
I thought we were suppose to be worrying about the gop - Trumpsters and not going after our own side.
Granted Kucinich is a bygone name in politics but, he is still on our side and not a republican
I don't get why you are so worried about one of our own rather then trashing the republicans, as it should be.

[stevenleser]

151. Google the term "Fifth column". You'll get it. nt

[lovemydogs]

152. Sounds like Bannon's kind of stuff. Not democrats

Or is there a conspiracy thing, ala Alex Jones.
There is no conspiracy to take down the democratic party. It's a large tent party with many factions, none of which is trying to destroy the party

[stevenleser]

153. OR is an effort to take down the Democratic party and transparently so. nt

[lovemydogs]

155. I am not aware of copperheads being reconstituted

[lovemydogs]

156. I am sorry but, it sounds rather crazy...

There is no 5th column or anyone trying to destroy the party.
It has gone through many changes over the many many years its been around.
It has changed and there have been many faction that have been part of the party for a very long time.
There is simply no conspiracy

[stevenleser]

157. Its how they talk about themselves. nt

[lovemydogs]

158. I've heard nothing about them, nothing on internet I can find...

Who are these so called people trying to destroy the party?
Because as far as I can find it's pure conspiracy

[lovemydogs]

159. Where did this all come from? Who is saying it exists?

Whoever this shadowy group is, who is the person pushing this idea

[lovemydogs]

154. Actually the Copperheads were the last time anyone tried to take down the democrats

And that was in the 1860s!

[Doremus]

164. Yeah, high name recognition --- for being a crackpot. I'd be surprised if he carried his own county

His campaign texted incessently the last couple of weeks. Told them in no uncertain terms Dennis lost me forever with his Trump crush.

[Cary]

177. K&R

[Owl]

179. Ugh

[Scurrilous]

194. Boink.

[Glamrock]

201. What a shame that someone who used to be so respected here

Is cheered for losing because of affiliation with someone who ran against someone else.

[Tarheel_Dem]

202. If that were the only reason, you might have a point. But FNC's favorite "Democrat" lost for other..

reasons. You speak of DU's past respect for Kucinich. DU didn't change, Kucinich did.