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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:26 PM May 2018

Death sucks

I lost a friend recently to cancer.

Because he is not old and had no business whatsoever dying this young, it is different to deal with than a parent or someone older.

When I see something on TV that reminds me of him I think how he can not enjoy that anymore or how I cant tell him about it anymore.

We all have SO much to be grateful for just being alive, yet the way it works is we rarely are cognizant of that, at least I am not.

Anyway, here is to any friend or relative YOU have lost and here is to my friend




edit:
In honor of my friend I want to respond to everyone. And more than that I want to encourage us to have this discussion anytime someone needs it.

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Death sucks (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater May 2018 OP
To your friend. To others lost. NCTraveler May 2018 #1
Thank you and I am grateful for you! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #5
Having this experience Ohiogal May 2018 #2
Thank you and I am grateful for you as well! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #6
Death is certain for us all..... ProudMNDemocrat May 2018 #3
Thank you and I am grateful for you for sure! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #8
So sorry for your loss mcar May 2018 #4
Thank you and I am grateful for you absolutely! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #9
Me too you! mcar May 2018 #12
... sheshe2 May 2018 #7
Thanks. Nice to know I have friends. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #10
Of course you do, Eliot. sheshe2 May 2018 #120
Sorry to hear this, Eliot True Dough May 2018 #11
True, it is remarkable to watch that strength. I have another friend dying from Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #14
Funny about appetites. When my dad was having chemo all he wanted were Arby's jamocha shakes....:) dameatball May 2018 #27
Sorry for your loss, ER. R B Garr May 2018 #13
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #15
Thank you for the beautiful sentiment. oasis May 2018 #16
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #17
I'm so sorry for your loss lunamagica May 2018 #18
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #61
I'm so sorry for your loss, Eliot. brer cat May 2018 #19
Thanks ! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #62
May Your Friend Rest In Power MrScorpio May 2018 #20
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #60
God bless you, Mr. Rosewater, and the memory of your friend Glorfindel May 2018 #21
And to you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #58
I'm so sorry. Rorey May 2018 #22
Thank you for sharing this. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #59
I hope you know... Rorey May 2018 #102
Not at all, I am enjoying this sincere sense of community with everyone today Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #106
So sorry for your loss ER. Zoonart May 2018 #23
Thank you ! ! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #57
He's forever in your heart and memories....nt Heartstrings May 2018 #24
Thank you! ! ! ! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #56
Oh, I hear you, my dear Eliot... CaliforniaPeggy May 2018 #25
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #43
Eliot, your attitude of gratitude is a powerful thing Mr. Ected May 2018 #26
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #44
My family and I lost a beloved relative to suicide MoonRiver May 2018 #28
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #45
But for the loss of your friend, that's a wonderful message. George II May 2018 #29
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #46
Condolences ollie10 May 2018 #30
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #47
Thank you for a beautiful reminder of what's most important. BadgerMom May 2018 #31
Thanks mom, he was one of the really good guys to be sure. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #55
When someone I know is dying but in severe pain BigmanPigman May 2018 #32
I want to thank everyone for caring. Yes, about pain, good to have marijuana as an option now Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #48
I'm so sorry. catbyte May 2018 #33
So sorry for your loss. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #49
Thank you. catbyte May 2018 #92
"We all have SO much to be grateful for just being alive".. ..and sorry for your loss....... Stuart G May 2018 #34
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #50
Very sorry to hear of your loss. Snackshack May 2018 #35
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #51
hear, hear heaven05 May 2018 #36
And as always, thank you too! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #52
I am here... N_E_1 for Tennis May 2018 #37
You are alive to post that, I am to thank you, we are both fortunate Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #53
I don't know the author... N_E_1 for Tennis May 2018 #63
Atheist here too. It is at times of death that makes me shake my head Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #64
Oh my dear Eliot... N_E_1 for Tennis May 2018 #73
+1 Kurt V. May 2018 #104
Beautiful Rorey May 2018 #103
Heres to my gramma - 4/26/18 TalenaGor May 2018 #38
Mine too! And to you and yours! Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #41
Sorry for your loss Bettie May 2018 #39
Thank you Bettie Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #54
I am sorry for loss. Kurt V. May 2018 #40
Indeed. Thanks. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #42
You always will occasionally be reminded of the life he's missing. Hortensis May 2018 #65
Yes, what is he missing and what am I missing when I cant share the newest Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #67
Condolences for your loss and what you said was beautiful appalachiablue May 2018 #66
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #68
I'm so sorry for your loss. LiberalLoner May 2018 #69
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #71
ER, just as your friend enriched your life, I'm sure that having you as a friend enriched his. Atticus May 2018 #70
Thanks...he could be tough on me when I would get hyperbolic. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #72
I am sorry that you lost your friend. panader0 May 2018 #74
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #75
My mom died 2 weeks ago nini May 2018 #76
Sorry for your loss, thanks for commenting Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #78
Amen. Just went to a younger friends wake bronxiteforever May 2018 #77
Sorry to hear this, such a feeling of helplessness we experience knowing there is Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #79
i am getting on track now. I am sure bronxiteforever May 2018 #80
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #82
Yes it does. Sorry for your loss still_one May 2018 #81
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #83
Very sorry for your loss, Eliot! n/t Different Drummer May 2018 #84
... Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #91
So sorry to hear Eliot... been there, done that, so I know what you're dealing with. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #85
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #90
To your friend! C Moon May 2018 #86
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #89
You're a good friend, Eliot Rosewater. May your friend RIP! Anon-C May 2018 #87
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #88
I had several thoughts about this. TNNurse May 2018 #93
Thanks! You are making me think of my mom... Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #99
It's like a form of survivor' guilt isn't it. Lars39 May 2018 #125
It is, I do not dwell on it much. Then something brings it to mind. TNNurse May 2018 #126
I'm sorry,TNNurse. Lars39 May 2018 #128
Thanks TNNurse May 2018 #139
I don't know you Eliot but you are a good man. sdfernando May 2018 #94
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #97
Oh, just both my parents and ALL their siblings and my wife's best friend, and her mom twice..... DFW May 2018 #95
Sorry, you have suffered so much pain for one person and family... Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #96
We've had to confront it so many times, it's almost routine by now DFW May 2018 #98
Lost my younger brother to AIDS when he was 40 ashling May 2018 #100
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #101
To your friend...and sorry for your loss too. Demsrule86 May 2018 #105
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #107
Sorry, to hear about your friend, Eliot.. Cha May 2018 #108
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #109
I know.. ain't it great! Cha May 2018 #116
I am so sorry to hear about your loss Eliot. It is especially hard when someone smirkymonkey May 2018 #110
Thank you and I am getting awesome support today. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #111
Is your friend my brother? AmBlue May 2018 #112
No, but what a terrible experience you have had. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #115
It's such a helpless feeling... AmBlue May 2018 #119
Thank you for continuing to share. I used to HATE that word Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #142
Dead is dead malaise May 2018 #113
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #114
Thank you for posting this. murielm99 May 2018 #117
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #118
take care of yourself. My story: Hamlette May 2018 #121
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #162
Yes, I lost my YOUNGER brother (by 5 years) last August RandomAccess May 2018 #122
Jesus. This sounds very familiar. Sorry for your loss and hopefully Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #163
Thanks, Eliot RandomAccess May 2018 #171
Sorry for your loss Marthe48 May 2018 #123
Oh my god, what a horrible loss for you to endure. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #164
Many losses over the years Marthe48 May 2018 #178
I think we need a community of friends and relatives now more than ever, for the obvious Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #179
We have a Bereavement support group here on DU Marthe48 May 2018 #180
Thanks, did not know that. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #181
YW Marthe48 May 2018 #182
Sorry for your recent loss. GulfCoast66 May 2018 #124
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #165
The hurt'in Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #127
Great suggestion about doing something he would do. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #168
(((hugs))) samnsara May 2018 #129
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #166
My best hotrod0808 May 2018 #130
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #167
I'm so sorry ... I just lost my mom. CaptainTruth May 2018 #131
Sorry for your loss. We need to be here for each other in these times Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #144
To lost friends then, Mr. Rosewater. BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #132
Thank you and I hope we always feel comfortable sharing about this with each other Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #146
My heart goes out to you. Keep all of the good time you shared with him in the forefront of your iluvtennis May 2018 #133
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #155
Pouring out liquor for your friend (granted, it's into my glass, but ...) mr_lebowski May 2018 #134
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #147
"To die will be an awfully big adventure." Petosky Stone May 2018 #135
maybe Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #156
Suicide is the worst in this regard for me wonkwest May 2018 #136
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #149
Totally with you. bitterross May 2018 #137
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #150
To your friend FunkyLeprechaun May 2018 #138
I am glad we can help each other. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #151
There is a nice thing about death. NNadir May 2018 #140
food for thought Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #152
I'm sorry Elliot Cary May 2018 #141
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #153
You have my deepest sympathy for your grief. The_jackalope May 2018 #143
So glad you could share with us about this. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #145
Death blows PJMcK May 2018 #148
Thanks for that... Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #154
A friend of mine died suddenly and unexpectedly a couple of years back. He was 42. Tobin S. May 2018 #157
When my father died I was at his care home and he was asleep and the nurse Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #158
I'm sorry for your losses, Eliot. Tobin S. May 2018 #161
I am sorry for your loss. Lifelong Protester May 2018 #159
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #160
Your friend bdamomma May 2018 #169
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #170
I am very sorry that your friend died so young. Tanuki May 2018 #172
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #173
. Iggo May 2018 #174
thank you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #175
The Infinite Void WiffenPoof May 2018 #176
Thanks for sharing this, I cant imagine what life would be like with a parent Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #177

Ohiogal

(31,963 posts)
2. Having this experience
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:28 PM
May 2018

really makes you appreciate life's little things, and really makes you aware of what's important and what's not.

I'm sorry for your loss, Eliot.

True Dough

(17,301 posts)
11. Sorry to hear this, Eliot
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:37 PM
May 2018

I have a friend who is enduring terminal brain and lung cancer. He posts updates on social media a few times a week. What's most remarkable is how upbeat he remains despite the harsh reality. So many of us are distraught over his fate, but he puts on a brave face. I only hope I can exhibit that sort of stoicism and character if I get stuck with a prolonged demise.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
14. True, it is remarkable to watch that strength. I have another friend dying from
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:38 PM
May 2018

bone cancer and I heard his wife was making him TURKEY hot dogs because he was craving that even though chemo made him not hungry most of the time.

I went out and bought some NATHAN'S all beef hot dogs and embarrassed his wife into NEVER buying turkey dogs again and I got the report back that he LOVED them.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
22. I'm so sorry.
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:11 PM
May 2018

It is definitely different to deal with when someone we care about dies young.

My last husband (prior to this one) was my soul mate. He died at 38. I was actually angry at complete strangers I would see who weren't taking full advantage of the fact that they were alive. Even then I knew my anger was irrational, but that's the way it was. Of course I never said anything to them. That was 25 years ago, and I still look at things that happen in life from the "well, at least it's not death" point of view.

The experience made me value what I have instead of lamenting what I don't have, for the most part, anyway. We do all have so much to be grateful for, even on our dark days.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
102. I hope you know...
Wed May 9, 2018, 06:24 PM
May 2018

I didn't mean to do a "I know how you feel" thing, but just to convey that the many feelings that you have when you lose a friend/loved one who died young are valid and normal.

I know it hurts to lose a loved one at any age, but it's just different when they're young. Like you said.

And death does suck, but I think it also can make us value our relationships. Death teaches us not to take people for granted.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
106. Not at all, I am enjoying this sincere sense of community with everyone today
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:00 PM
May 2018

I think it is bringing us closer together...

Zoonart

(11,845 posts)
23. So sorry for your loss ER.
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:12 PM
May 2018

Between August and December of 2017, I went to six funerals, relatives and two friends. Death does indeed suck, but we are not made to last.
Make every moment count.


CaliforniaPeggy

(149,580 posts)
25. Oh, I hear you, my dear Eliot...
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:18 PM
May 2018

Everything you've said is so true.

Three years ago, I lost a fellow DUer, a very close friend, WCGreen and I still miss him. He was intensely alive as well as political, and I know he would have had intelligent things to say about the mess we find ourselves in.

The pain is no longer excruciating but now and then........it can be very hard. We had so many good conversations.

Cheers to you and your friend! May your good memories help you heal. And they will........eventually.



Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
26. Eliot, your attitude of gratitude is a powerful thing
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:22 PM
May 2018

We can't control life and death, but we can control ourselves. Being grateful for being alive, for being American, for living in the 21st century, for friends, for family, for things, for air, for plants, for animals....that's something NO ONE can take from us.

One day, we'll be grateful that that giant Effwad in the White House and all his Effwad compatriots are behind bars, or worst case scenario, out of office and out of our lives.

Until then, more strength to you, and stay grateful. It's the right place to be.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
28. My family and I lost a beloved relative to suicide
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:23 PM
May 2018

last Saturday. All of us, but especially the kids, are trying to process this. He was terminal, but decided to deal with things himself, rather than let nature take it’s course.

Very sorry for your loss Elliott.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
31. Thank you for a beautiful reminder of what's most important.
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:35 PM
May 2018

Here’s to you and your friend and to all of us who know that cancer stinks.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
32. When someone I know is dying but in severe pain
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:42 PM
May 2018

I hope for and end to that person's pain. My family and friends have been in so much pain and have no quality of life that most of them look forward to relief, even if that means death. I always wish for them whatever they wish for themselves and support their desires. Of course I am sad and filled with grief, but it makes me feel better that they get their wish, whatever that is. Dealing with the loss is horrible and I feel very badly for you.

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
33. I'm so sorry.
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:45 PM
May 2018

I lost my husband too young to Type I DM in 2014. I miss him every day, so I know something of what you're feeling. Here's to remembering the good times with our absent loved ones.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
34. "We all have SO much to be grateful for just being alive".. ..and sorry for your loss.......
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:45 PM
May 2018

and sorry for the loss of your friend...


.

.Stuart

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
35. Very sorry to hear of your loss.
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:52 PM
May 2018

I agree 100%. Death sucks. During the last ten years illness/age has taken my mother / father / grandmother / grandfather.

I also agree it is an odd path the mind takes (at least in my case it has been) in processing/ internalizing the loss of a loved one and reconciling that loss and the new reality it brings. My mother was in her early 50’s and her passing is still hard to accept. My father/ grandmother/ grandfather were all in their late 80’s and while all those losses still hurt, acceptance has been much easier to find.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,713 posts)
37. I am here...
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:02 PM
May 2018

I’m here to share a secret,
I’m not who I’ve always been,
The world that lies stretched out before me,
Is not the only one I’ve seen,
I’ve travelled on the tails of comets,
I’ve burned up in the heart of stars,
I’ve been spat out of supernovas,
That left me scattered near and far,
I have dined in distant galaxies,
And taught the birds to sing,
I’ve danced for a whole lifetime,
Upon Saturn’s dusty rings,
I’ve been here for long enough,
To learn what makes the willow weep,
I’ve sung celestial lullabies,
That sent the moon to sleep,
I’ve been both the flowing water,
And the stone that blocks it’s way,
I’ve been frozen, I’ve been molten,
And I’ll be again someday,
Though I’ve been a billion things,
This is the first one that can smile,
I’m pieces of the universe,
And I lived as a human for a while.


Remember the smiles and the good times.
That is our eternal life.
When we remember others that have changed
We keep them alive.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,713 posts)
63. I don't know the author...
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:29 PM
May 2018

But alive or changed in form the sentiment holds true.
We are of all things and will return in kind.

Eliot, this is from a lifetime atheist. Nature is what we all are.

I suffer your loss with you, my friend.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
64. Atheist here too. It is at times of death that makes me shake my head
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:31 PM
May 2018

how easy someone can come and go and have often so little to show for it no matter how hard they worked. As in so little is known of what they accomplished.

Unless they have some sick level of media attention like a criminal like Rump has, the person wont get the appreciation they truly deserve.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,713 posts)
73. Oh my dear Eliot...
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:46 PM
May 2018

No one’s life is ever non-significant. The pure fact that you posted is an example of how much that person meant to you. Enjoy the life and how it may have changed or impacted your life then carry that on.
Just by posting you, Eliot, have taken me to places that I have put on a dusty shelf.
Credit that, at very least, to your friend.
They are times and memories I needed to remember and cherish they will in these troubled times keep me alive.
I only can hope after you grieve you can also use memories of the changed to inhance your life.

As a little history, I’m 65, lost most of my family, lost many, many friends in the Vietnam war.

We will find each other again, we are energy, which cannot be destroyed.

TalenaGor

(1,104 posts)
38. Heres to my gramma - 4/26/18
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:04 PM
May 2018

92 years of love and laughter - she was mostly fine then went into the hospital on 4/19 and died 4/26 - that fast....im still recovering...

but she brought us peace, or at least me - she had told us for years she was ready to go anytime - she wasn't afraid in the least...then when the doctor came in and asked 'would you like stronger antibiotics, but it may not work and if it does, this will happen again soon, or would you like comfort care?' - she chose comfort care - she chose to let go - and in her last days she was smiling, laughing and surrounded by her family.....

I suppose that's the best we can hope for....

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
40. I am sorry for loss.
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:17 PM
May 2018

as our friend mr. vonnegut might have said 'thank you Eliot Rosewater for being you. so it goes.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. You always will occasionally be reminded of the life he's missing.
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:32 PM
May 2018

We are for friends, even some who weren't really friends at all, who died too young, some very long ago now.





Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
67. Yes, what is he missing and what am I missing when I cant share the newest
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:33 PM
May 2018

outrage the traitor said or the new show I know he would like that I have to tell him about.

He was an actor earlier in life, Hollywood.

appalachiablue

(41,118 posts)
66. Condolences for your loss and what you said was beautiful
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:32 PM
May 2018

and poignant. We often don't appreciate life's wonderful gifts all around us, until a major loss.

In the 90s we lost our little brother in NY, just 35. Joyous, bright and far too young and alive. His absence is still felt.

All the best during this difficult time for you and yours.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
68. Thank YOU
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:34 PM
May 2018

What a tough loss that must have been.

No matter how long ago, I am sure it hurts to this day.

thanks

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
70. ER, just as your friend enriched your life, I'm sure that having you as a friend enriched his.
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:37 PM
May 2018

I'll lift a glass to ya' both this evening. "To absent friends---"

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
72. Thanks...he could be tough on me when I would get hyperbolic.
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:39 PM
May 2018

He was the calm diplomat and I was the outraged and pissed off asshole!

panader0

(25,816 posts)
74. I am sorry that you lost your friend.
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:50 PM
May 2018

At age 67, I have already lost many of my friends, all of them younger than 67 at the
time of their death. My oldest friend of over 40 years hit me hard--I think of him daily.
I basically have a new set of friends now.....

nini

(16,672 posts)
76. My mom died 2 weeks ago
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:55 PM
May 2018

it sucks.. but she was ready and had a good full life. But it still sucks.

Sorry for your loss!

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
77. Amen. Just went to a younger friends wake
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:55 PM
May 2018

He died of cancer three weeks before his sons high school graduation.
Death does suck and you are so right about gratefulness and how I need to remember that.

And I am deeply sorry for your loss. That feeling of wanting to talk to someone you lost is so part of grief.
Peace friend!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
79. Sorry to hear this, such a feeling of helplessness we experience knowing there is
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:59 PM
May 2018

nothing we can do.

I guess we CAN eat better, exercise more and live happier, healthier lives.



If only I would do that! I actually do most of that and look pretty healthy but I need to WALK more!

I say look healthy because sadly I do have heart issues, genetic. But if I behave I should be able to live quite a while.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
80. i am getting on track now. I am sure
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:03 PM
May 2018

That will make up for decades of burning the candle at both ends!

Stay healthy friend. We are an endangered species!

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
85. So sorry to hear Eliot... been there, done that, so I know what you're dealing with.
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:09 PM
May 2018

And, yeah, death really does suck. Obviously, it'll take awhile, but you'll get through it... and as you said, just try to remember all that you have to be grateful for, especially your friendships, and remember too that, yes, it's painful, but only because of all those wonderful memories you have of your friend and you're lucky to have those to hold on to.

So, yes, here's to your friend... clink, clink



TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
93. I had several thoughts about this.
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:29 PM
May 2018

My mother died 27 years ago after a long illness (she was 76). I still want to share books I have read with her and get her stirred up about Democratic politics. My friend Lois died 4 years ago of breast cancer. She was 46, she was diagnosed about 6 months ahead of me. She had a teenage son, a new husband and a new grandchild. I was 62 when I was diagnosed, no kids, but great husband. I struggled with why she got the worst form of breast cancer, fought hard and died anyway and why even though it was an awful life changing experience for me...I am still here.

I got teary thinking about both of them as I type this. Give yourself time, grieve in the way that suits you. Know that many people share and understand.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
99. Thanks! You are making me think of my mom...
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:37 PM
May 2018

In your face, unapologetic crusader for the truth and against child abuse, as she was abused herself.

She would take after the power structure of the Catholic church over that stuff.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
126. It is, I do not dwell on it much. Then something brings it to mind.
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:08 PM
May 2018

Lois was also a nurse. She knew when she was diagnosed that it was grim, but she fought hard to be with her family. I did not tell her about my diagnosis until the last moment I could. She cried for me. She was loved and respected.

DFW

(54,335 posts)
95. Oh, just both my parents and ALL their siblings and my wife's best friend, and her mom twice.....
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:33 PM
May 2018

Plus my wife has had cancer twice (that we know of--waiting on the biopsies taken last week).

I don't know how much closer to home it has to be before I hate the sound of the word.

DFW

(54,335 posts)
98. We've had to confront it so many times, it's almost routine by now
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:36 PM
May 2018

We envy those whose genetics and circumstances have allowed them to escape it altogether.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
100. Lost my younger brother to AIDS when he was 40
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:40 PM
May 2018

and my dad 2 years later.

They always say it gets better ... and it does ... marginally ...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
110. I am so sorry to hear about your loss Eliot. It is especially hard when someone
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:10 PM
May 2018

passes seemingly before their time. It just seems so unfair. I hope you are able to find some peace and the support you need to help you through this.

AmBlue

(3,108 posts)
112. Is your friend my brother?
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:23 PM
May 2018

I lost my 52yo younger brother to melanoma last July. It was sudden and unexpected because he didn't want to trouble the rest of the family with it. He thought he would "beat it" and tell us after he was out of the woods. But that didn't happen. I had just 24 hrs before I watched him take his last breath, and never got to hear his voice again.

It tears me up, and always will.

I'm so sorry you lost your friend. I hope we'll all see and experience our beloveds again one day, on another plane.

In the meantime, cherish every single day. Live it well, in the names of those we loved so much, who no longer can.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
115. No, but what a terrible experience you have had.
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:30 PM
May 2018

My friend was diagnosed with liver cancer and was not a drinker. Docs said it was just a thing of bad luck.

He was not a candidate for chemo and so on.

I myself recently had a scare that turned out to be nothing, but for two weeks I didnt know. Crazy stuff.

BTW it is not uncommon for men, usually, to not seek medical help when they should, to think they can deal with it. Like your situation. I have another friend who has bone cancer, dont recall the name of the cancer and he ignored a major illness for a long time having not gone to a Dr. in over 15 years thinking he could handle it. Then when he finally did have to break down and go in to see a DR they told him what it was.

He now has a very far gone stage that maybe didnt have to happen. Sad.

AmBlue

(3,108 posts)
119. It's such a helpless feeling...
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:54 PM
May 2018

Watching them slip away. So simple, yet so profound. Just a gradual slowing of everything in the body, until the body can no longer sustain its various systems.

Everything... Just.... Stops......

Then we that are left behind must find a way to cope. And nothing prepares you for it.

I also lost my 86yo Dad-- my biggest fan-- last year to heart disease, just 2 1/2 months after my brother. Also awful and terribly sad. He fought so valiantly. But that was different. He was 86 and we had plenty of time to say our goodbyes.

Sudden, unexpected loss of someone dear and too young is the hardest on your heart. And I agree guys can be hard-headed and a tad too macho about thinking they can "handle" shit like this. My brother was a funny, sweet, tough dude. But shit like this don't give a shit how tough you are.

Glad your scare turned out to be nothing.

Blessings my friend. Thank you for allowing me to share.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
142. Thank you for continuing to share. I used to HATE that word
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:42 AM
May 2018


I have a lot of experience in 12 steps and god do I hate that word, or I used to.

But I digress, thanks again and I hope we can all talk about this more often.

murielm99

(30,730 posts)
117. Thank you for posting this.
Wed May 9, 2018, 07:48 PM
May 2018

I am glad you had your friend and sorry he died. It is so wrong when they are just NOT THERE any more.

Yes, we should be grateful just to be alive. Life is too short.

Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
121. take care of yourself. My story:
Wed May 9, 2018, 08:34 PM
May 2018

My best friend died at age 43. She was found dead in her bed. No prior signs or illness. They did tests for 6 months in an effort to find a cause of death but never did.

I was devastated. My Dad died 4 months before she did and it really shook me but I survived, for a time.

Six months after she died, not long after we learned the last ditch effort to find a cause of death found nothing, I started having panic attacks. I would fall asleep and in that half asleep, half awake state I would think my heart stopped beating. After that, I couldn't get back to sleep. My doc gave me something for it and I recovered.

All this just to say it can hit you later. Get help if you need it.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
122. Yes, I lost my YOUNGER brother (by 5 years) last August
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:01 PM
May 2018

He took himself to the VA hospital on July 30 with shortness of breath (which I thought was just his COPD) and pains across his shoulders and upper back, was admitted, diagnosed the next day with Stage 4 lung cancer, and was dead by August 17.

He had lived with us since January 1999. So I miss him a lot.

I'm really sorry for your loss too, Eliot.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
163. Jesus. This sounds very familiar. Sorry for your loss and hopefully
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:49 PM
May 2018

someone learns from this DONT ignore symptoms!

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
171. Thanks, Eliot
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:25 PM
May 2018

The difference is, he was ready to go. He had, in fact, told his nephew (my son) that he had nothing really to live about 2 years prior (source of mild guilt for me there) And thankfully, after his diagnosis, was very sanguine and peaceful about it. That made it considerably easier in many ways for all of us.

Marthe48

(16,932 posts)
123. Sorry for your loss
Wed May 9, 2018, 09:05 PM
May 2018

My husband died from cancer 15 months ago. He was 69. I miss him. I have a nice picture of him beside where I sit. I talk to him. It is comforting.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
164. Oh my god, what a horrible loss for you to endure.
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:50 PM
May 2018

I am so glad I talked about this, I think we need to talk about it.

Thank YOU

Marthe48

(16,932 posts)
178. Many losses over the years
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:11 PM
May 2018

all part of me. Do you mean more of us should talk about losses? Yes, we should. It has taken me many tries to be stoic and keep moving along the path of this life.

Celebrate your friend. Enjoy the memories you have. If you see something he would have liked, maybe seeing it is a message that he is thinking of you. If I see purple angels, I say 'Hi,Mom.'

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
179. I think we need a community of friends and relatives now more than ever, for the obvious
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:17 AM
May 2018

reasons, but in addition I guess I am looking for a better way to deal with loss and I guess if I am honest, my own mortality.

Marthe48

(16,932 posts)
180. We have a Bereavement support group here on DU
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:40 PM
May 2018

Topics>Support Groups>Bereavement

I posted on that one, and also Topics>Health>Cancer Support when John was sick.

I got a lot of support. Since they were both on DU, I didn't have to worry about filtering any comments I posted or read. I got really good support.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
127. The hurt'in
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:10 PM
May 2018

has just begun my friend. Not trying to be an ahole. People make a bigger impact on us than we surmise. AND, what's worse is, THAT'S something we forget too. The friend you have a 2 bit grudge match going on with, so you write them off. The parent who pisses you off to the point of dismissing them. (All the while having the upper emotional hand bc we know when the rubber meets the road, they'll almost always rescue you.). We live such different lives than before.
Not sure I'd want my kid to go to a school that even allows cellphones anymore. School should be an 8 hour socialization gig. I think we are losing our humanity.
Do something your friend would've wanted you to do. Maybe take a book and go sit w him and read. Read it aloud even.
I'm sorry about your chum. Glad you spoke up.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
168. Great suggestion about doing something he would do.
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:54 PM
May 2018

I cant lecture people on what an asshole Wayne Madsen is or Alex Jones so I will buy a homeless person lunch, instead. All things my friend would do.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
132. To lost friends then, Mr. Rosewater.
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:08 AM
May 2018

I've had a few leave the stage too early, and now I've reached the age where you start expecting it.

Life has been a wonderful ride, and I am certain to have no complaints about it. Here's to living this life.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
133. My heart goes out to you. Keep all of the good time you shared with him in the forefront of your
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:02 AM
May 2018

mind. That's how they live on in our memories and sharing those memories with others.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
134. Pouring out liquor for your friend (granted, it's into my glass, but ...)
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:44 AM
May 2018


Sorry for your loss.

And yes, it is all to easy to forget how incredibly lucky we are to be alive, esp. considering the incredibly hostile, cold, frozen, dark, empty vacuum that is 99.9999999% of the universe. Life is a GD MIRACLE, which for all any of us knows, has never reached the point that humanity it is now at in the 6,000,000,000 years this (version of) a virtually endless universe has existed.

Certainly when you consider the intersection with such vastness of TIME, and the fact human civilization is such a tiny, tiny, tiny window in the calendar of the universe, it's extremely possible IMHO that human beings on the planet Earth are the only advanced sentient life AT THIS MOMENT ... in the entire universe ... which consists of as many stars as there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world.

Human life is indeed VASTLY under-appreciated. And WAY more fragile as an overall concept than most realize.
 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
136. Suicide is the worst in this regard for me
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:26 AM
May 2018

I've had a lot in my family and friend circles. And the difference is, I've always looked forward to the next day. No matter how bad today may have been, maybe tomorrow will be better. How my brain is wired.

But where I have always said, "Let tomorrow be the next day." I've had too many people in life who've said, "Let tomorrow be the last day."

And that is, so so hard. You want everyone you love to stay. But sometimes they don't. And it all seems so, so unfair.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
137. Totally with you.
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:53 AM
May 2018

My best friend in the world died so very young. He passed away because the partner he trusted was not worthy of that trust. The fucked part of it is that my best friend in the world succumbed to the disease while his cheating partner still lives.

I don't cry often, but some times there will be a shot out of nowhere on TV, a movie, or in someone else's laugh - their demeanor - that will just floor me. Then I have to think of him again. I cry, then I have to laugh when I think of all the stupid shit we did together that always left us laughing.

Laughing at each-other - that's how I like to remember.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
138. To your friend
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:42 AM
May 2018

I lost my 29 year old cousin in September and just today I found out my uncle died of a heart attack.

Life is short.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
140. There is a nice thing about death.
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:15 AM
May 2018

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And that is that you cannot die unless you have lived.

I will die hereafter and how people will feel about it will be a reflection of how I have lived.

Your grief, as sad as it makes you is a reflection of the fact that your friend, however shortly he did so, lived well.

Sincerest sympathy.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
143. You have my deepest sympathy for your grief.
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:02 PM
May 2018

I've been grieving the loss of my wife and soulmate since last September.

However, for me at least it's worth keeping in mind that for some people death is preferable to the life they have. My wife was one of those. Her body was such non-terminal wreckage that when the diagnosis of Stage III ovarian cancer came, on her 65th birthday, she welcomed it with enormous relief. She called it her "get out of jail free" card. She took no treatment, and opted for a medically assisted death as soon as her affairs were in order. She welcomed her death with eagerness, curiosity and grace.

I fully supported her decision, and in her place I'd have made the same choice - but I still grieve the loss of her love. And when I'm grateful, it's not just for being alive. It's for being able to appreciate being alive. Because when that appreciation is gone, it's no longer living, it's death-in-life.

I don't mean to piss in your cornflakes, because I really sympathize with your feelings. I'm just suggesting not to use so broad a brush that anyone who feels otherwise is made wrong.

PJMcK

(22,025 posts)
148. Death blows
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:15 PM
May 2018

Either way, death is a lousy part of our brief existence.

It's the mark of a good life when a person is remembered fondly as we do with those we've lost.

Peace.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
157. A friend of mine died suddenly and unexpectedly a couple of years back. He was 42.
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:39 PM
May 2018

We grew up together, but I had moved to a town 50 miles away in recent years. I went over and treated him to dinner shortly before he died and in retrospect I'm thankful that I got to see him then and have one last good time. I just wish I had understood the gravity of the moment. Maybe that's a clue for me to be more aware and fully present in all of my life, and to always be truly appreciative of the people I love. Without them I wouldn't know love. I wouldn't have learned how to love.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
158. When my father died I was at his care home and he was asleep and the nurse
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:44 PM
May 2018

asked if I wanted her to wake him up so I could say hi, I said no, didnt want to bother him.

He died a few hours later, I regret not saying goodbye.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
172. I am very sorry that your friend died so young.
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:34 PM
May 2018

Although my parents both lived long lives, I can certainly relate to your feelings of being suddenly caught short by something that reminded me of them or that they would have loved if I could have shared with them. My parents were both very good people but my dad especially had a purity of spirit that made me feel that a light was being extinguished and it motivated me to try to be a better person (unsuccessfully most of the time, I'm afraid) because it felt that otherwise there would be a net loss of goodness in the world. Maybe honoring your friend by intentionally doing something in his spirit that he would have done would help you when you feel sad. That could be donating to a charity or volunteering for a cause he supported, traveling in his honor to somewhere he never got to go or having an adventure he would have liked, etc. I traveled to India (for unrelated reasons) while I was still mourning my dad, and while on a dawn boat ride down the Ganges I set a little coconut shell candle afloat on the river while thinking of him with all of my spirit as a symbolic gesture. Shortly after my mom died, I was hiking in a stunningly beautiful national park in the Tibetan plateau at a very high elevation, and sang the Doxology in her honor and memory (because, despite several years of decline with dementia, she was still able to sing it in church on the last Sunday of her life, just short of her 94th birthday). I have a very dear relative, age 10, who has a terrible type of cancer that is classified as "terminal on diagnosis" but she is hanging in there with extraordinary grace and cheerfulness. Her mom recently sent me a picture of her at the beach, smiling in her little straw hat that covered her bald-from-chemo head, next to the message she had written in the wet sand: NEGU (for "Never, Ever Give Up" ). I am hoping and praying for a medical breakthrough for her and now too for your other friend with bone cancer. I am sure he appreciates your hot dog blessings! Another mantra I have taken in during my little relative's treatment for cancer is Nobody Fights Alone! You are right to let your DU friends know about this.

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
176. The Infinite Void
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:38 PM
May 2018

I'm so sorry Eliot. It's going to be rough for a while.

I lost my mother a couple of years ago. She was probably the meanest person I have ever met. She was bipolar and almost impossible to get along with. I won't share with you some of her antics and behavior. It is simply too cruel to write about.

When she died, I shed not a tear.

As it turned out, I ended up with her little dog. No one else would take her. Little Willow is partially crippled and it is sad to watch her try and walk across a slick floor. You see my mom would often pick out dogs that had physical or mental problems. Willow is no different.

Over the past two years I have come to love this little dog and all her problems. She gets up every day wagging her tail as if she had the greatest life one could ever hope for.

No one knows exactly how old Willow is. However it is clear that she is up in years and will soon be gone. When she goes, I know I will weep for days. Not only because Willow will be gone but because it will be the last of my mother. Nothing will remain.

In a way, they were both crippled. They shoot horses don't they?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
177. Thanks for sharing this, I cant imagine what life would be like with a parent
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:42 PM
May 2018

like that but as you said, crippled or handicapped or whatever the word is.

Thanks for sharing.

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