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MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:13 PM May 2018

All that money being paid to Cohen. And for nothing? There's a name for that.

Here in Minnesota, there's a crime that is called "Theft by Swindle." It's my favorite criminal charge. So, Novartis paid Cohen a bunch of money to get them direct contact with Trump. They didn't get what they paid for, but they let him keep the money, because it would have been embarrassing to them if the reason for the payment was known. Cohen stiffed them.

Well, guess what? It's known now. Cohen didn't perform, so Novartis wrote the payment off as a loss.

Theft by Swindle.

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All that money being paid to Cohen. And for nothing? There's a name for that. (Original Post) MineralMan May 2018 OP
Under the table / off the books / dark money FakeNoose May 2018 #1
They didn't get nothing. W_HAMILTON May 2018 #2
Agreed sarah FAILIN May 2018 #7
Didn't get their money's worth?... lame54 May 2018 #3
The CEO of Novartis recently "retired." Don't know if there is any connection. dameatball May 2018 #4
Is he still alive? volstork May 2018 #6
last time I saw him...lol.....no, I just read about it online dameatball May 2018 #8
Maybe he didn't want to explain the payola that got no ola dameatball May 2018 #9
Pay to Play superpatriotman May 2018 #5
These companies can write it off as "advertising and marketing" now. TeamPooka May 2018 #10
Novartis probably wrote off the payments, gaining a little tax advantage gratuitous May 2018 #11
Or maybe they're just not telling us the truth about why they gave Cohen the money struggle4progress May 2018 #12

FakeNoose

(32,589 posts)
1. Under the table / off the books / dark money
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:19 PM
May 2018

It's money that nobody has to account for, especially the RNC. I'm pretty sure the "donors" don't feel swindled, they feel like they have access to the President that others don't.

But I could be wrong.

W_HAMILTON

(7,835 posts)
2. They didn't get nothing.
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:21 PM
May 2018

They got access, including a private dinner with Trump in Davos, I thought.

They may be claiming they got nothing now, but that's for PR/legal purposes.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
7. Agreed
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:50 PM
May 2018

That Trump met with Jiminez fills the bill. We don't know what the goal was so we don't know if it was accomplished. The act of taking the meeting should be enough.

dameatball

(7,394 posts)
8. last time I saw him...lol.....no, I just read about it online
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:21 PM
May 2018

It probably was legit, but the timing makes a person say "hmmm.'

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. Novartis probably wrote off the payments, gaining a little tax advantage
Wed May 9, 2018, 04:32 PM
May 2018

Did Cohen declare the income, or did that money disappear like a Tsing-Tao off the back of your palate?

struggle4progress

(118,233 posts)
12. Or maybe they're just not telling us the truth about why they gave Cohen the money
Wed May 9, 2018, 05:03 PM
May 2018

For example, maybe they hoped Cohen could help them push a product (opioid, say) into Russia?

Or maybe it's a disguised bribe ("When the FDA finally tackles X, you remind Mr Trump we helped buy him some time with several of those talkative pussy problems he had&quot ?

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