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catsudon

(863 posts)
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:01 PM May 2018

the white woman who called the police on a napping black girl at yale has been doxxed

Last edited Wed May 9, 2018, 10:46 PM - Edit history (1)

her name is found on yale's facebook page, as well as buried deep in #yalewhileblack.

she appears to be a woman's right marcher too, which comes as a surprise to me.

https://ffrf.org/legal/item/13531-thats-me-in-the-burqa-losin-my-religion

Edit, her twitter account was just deleted at 10:30 pm ET, more on #yalewhileblack

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the white woman who called the police on a napping black girl at yale has been doxxed (Original Post) catsudon May 2018 OP
white privilege rears its ugly head again. WhiteTara May 2018 #1
Given Her Bio, Her Reaction To The Sleeping Woman Me. May 2018 #2
I guess if she had been wearing a hijab she would have been left alone ProudLib72 May 2018 #3
People are complicated mythology May 2018 #4
+1,000 malaise May 2018 #26
She is a bigot. This was not the first time. I have no use for bigots...they are frauds...yes Demsrule86 May 2018 #161
I hope that Yale takes some action against the white student Gothmog May 2018 #275
"she appears to be a woman's right marcher too, which comes as a surprise to me." WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #5
Much worse and bigger than even I had thought as little as 3 yrs ago. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #78
Agreed. Wonder if they are a part of the 53% of white women who voted for trump? brush May 2018 #107
I doubt that it statistical higher then in other groups. CentralMass May 2018 #120
amazing how threatened she was by a sleeping black woman. TeamPooka May 2018 #6
Seriously, now people have to worry bout sleeping while black?!?! WTF?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #254
Right? nt 2naSalit May 2018 #277
Wow. She claims she's more progressive than thou? Anon-C May 2018 #7
She's a special kind of idiot mercuryblues May 2018 #8
Not special they are everywhere So concerned &gonna make everything all right even if it's not wrong lunasun May 2018 #11
You misread RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #20
you're right mercuryblues May 2018 #22
Based on what she wrote jes06c May 2018 #9
She wants to ban burqas in the US ? I guess a lot of things don't belong where they are to her.... lunasun May 2018 #10
Good. I was just about to write a post suggesting she get doxxed. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #12
She felt threatened by a sleeping black woman. kwassa May 2018 #13
Some people might call her a mercuryblues May 2018 #23
+1 Blue_Tires May 2018 #28
Verified? silat13 May 2018 #14
Good point left-of-center2012 May 2018 #15
seems to be verified Exotica May 2018 #38
Exactly. I HATE internet mob justice. alarimer May 2018 #195
From my twitter feed Gothmog May 2018 #274
By "woman's rights marcher", do you mean "feminist"? N/T lapucelle May 2018 #16
"Neither Whores Nor Submissives" RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #17
Doxxing people sucks. meadowlander May 2018 #18
Thanks. I totally agree. Ron Obvious May 2018 #27
Nah, she did it twice to black people in that dorm. Google it. She totally deserves... brush May 2018 #111
That should result in death threats and blacklisting for life should it? Ron Obvious May 2018 #127
Not sure from your response what side of the issue you are on but Sarah Braasch... brush May 2018 #129
I often find DU nauseating lately Ron Obvious May 2018 #133
What's your opinion? Racists should be free to sic cops on innocent black people... brush May 2018 #141
This is a sickening thread. cwydro May 2018 #200
Vigilantism is awesome Loki Liesmith May 2018 #142
Yep, that's exactly what Sarah Braasch did. brush May 2018 #144
I don't care Loki Liesmith May 2018 #148
So you're opposed to Sarah Braasch's vigilantism against innocent black people? brush May 2018 #149
Don't be foolish. Loki Liesmith May 2018 #168
Discuss what should be the penalty for siccing cops on innocent black people then,.. brush May 2018 #176
This message was self-deleted by its author brush May 2018 #178
This message was self-deleted by its author brush May 2018 #179
No, vigilantism is not calling the cops treestar May 2018 #169
However you define it, she sicced the cops on an innocent black person so that... brush May 2018 #175
that is evil but not vigilantism treestar May 2018 #177
Fuck that shit... Maybe if more of these excitable white folks WERE doxxed Blue_Tires May 2018 #29
Maybe they should just institute sensitivity training for wypipo on campus to help InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #54
Not sure what that would do Blue_Tires May 2018 #57
Oh okay, didn't realize Yale already had such sensitivity training... good for them. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #173
Seriously? Downtown Hound May 2018 #68
Who said sensitivity training is the "magic answer for everything"? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #174
It's increasingly being reported, maybe because more people are aware of it. And cell phone... hunter May 2018 #67
Agree. She knows damn well what happens to black people when you call the police MaryMagdaline May 2018 #130
From what the victim said during the video, this avebury May 2018 #60
When it happens two times it's not a mistake womanofthehills May 2018 #83
I was confident someone would criticize the act of identifying a racist while ignoring the racism. LanternWaste May 2018 #108
Nah, she deserves it. This is the second time Sarah Braasch called cops on innocent black... brush May 2018 #110
Not to mention harassing women about wearing burqas MaryMagdaline May 2018 #136
Yes. And she has nothing to say about nuns wearing habits. brush May 2018 #140
Yep. MaryMagdaline May 2018 #147
I agree I hate the whole Doxing thing TNLib May 2018 #211
Boo fuckin' hoo for her! Maybe that'll teach her a valuable lesson & she'll cut out the wypipo BS! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #256
Hold on Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #19
I'd say its the Dump Effect gyroscope May 2018 #21
I don't think the young Native men were Mohawks geardaddy May 2018 #92
They are Mohawk and moved from New York suffragette May 2018 #150
OK, thanks. geardaddy May 2018 #199
That's what TIME magazine reported. Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #183
OK, thanks for the clarification geardaddy May 2018 #198
When she finishes grad school irisblue May 2018 #24
As progressives, we think progressives are beyond this kind of thing gollygee May 2018 #25
Oh yeah? cagefreesoylentgreen May 2018 #36
Huh? Iggo May 2018 #50
Your post is a lie. Inkfreak May 2018 #61
What she wrote is eight years old RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #125
What makes me think she might consider herself to be a progressive is that she was in the women's gollygee May 2018 #172
Atheist doesn't mean progressive kcr May 2018 #30
I don't think you'll find many women's rights marchers who aren't progressive. nt gollygee May 2018 #31
Many of them are kcr May 2018 #32
Some don't even think into that much gollygee May 2018 #34
But does she self label as such? kcr May 2018 #35
There's always exceptions: Blue_Tires May 2018 #86
I suspect she considers herself a progressive gollygee May 2018 #99
I am morbidly curious to know Blue_Tires May 2018 #134
Oh God it said that too gollygee May 2018 #171
I saw and responded to that in some other thread... Blue_Tires May 2018 #201
Exactly......think Ayn Rand. AJT May 2018 #128
She sounds crazy as hell. Tipperary May 2018 #33
I think a lot of people here didn't really watch this video sarah FAILIN May 2018 #37
I agree Exotica May 2018 #39
Yikes MountCleaners May 2018 #153
Did *you* watch the video? moriah May 2018 #53
Yes I did. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #65
Yeah, and the woman's on tape also saying she "can't sleep there". moriah May 2018 #66
Well no.. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #70
They lived on different floors, watch the video. moriah May 2018 #73
Why did she go to the 12th floor then? sarah FAILIN May 2018 #79
Article mentioned there was no 5th floor common area. womanofthehills May 2018 #84
Don't you think you're trying awfully hard to determine how to blame the victim? happy feet May 2018 #93
I'm trying to point out we don't have all the facts sarah FAILIN May 2018 #96
We have lots of facts, but you're pretending they don't exist. Nt moriah May 2018 #101
We have 1 side sarah FAILIN May 2018 #104
But you keep insisting the verified facts aren't correct. moriah May 2018 #105
No they do not sarah FAILIN May 2018 #119
You can't possibly be serious. You blame the black woman for falling asleep cramming? brush May 2018 #121
You blame the victim...what she has to jump though hoops for this racist scumbag...maybe racist girl Demsrule86 May 2018 #162
I'll just trash the thread so I quit getting notifications sarah FAILIN May 2018 #97
She could have worked by laptop and ambient light, or they could be on a motion sensor timer thing- bettyellen May 2018 #94
Video, which you really obviously didn't watch, explains no 5th floor common area. moriah May 2018 #100
I did watch the video and it is rude of you to say I didn't. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #106
Yours certainly is. LanternWaste May 2018 #109
Jeebus... rusty fender May 2018 #74
The white woman LITERALLY THINKS SOME SLAVES LIKED SLAVERY obamanut2012 May 2018 #103
On the wrong side of literally EVERY issue. Codeine May 2018 #113
It was between neighbors. Should've been handle that way instead of siccing... brush May 2018 #117
She knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she got the cops involved. It's called racist intimidation ecstatic May 2018 #249
She deleted her Twitter account.. HipChick May 2018 #40
Woman's right marcher ? dreamland May 2018 #41
woman's rights marchers don't try to make wearing any garment even a burqa illegal. Demsrule86 May 2018 #163
It may not have been a black/white thing at all. LiberalArkie May 2018 #42
Sounds like a black/white thing to me. kwassa May 2018 #45
Watch the whole video sarah FAILIN May 2018 #47
I still don't understand the poor comment. kwassa May 2018 #48
Idk sarah FAILIN May 2018 #49
But WHY would she think the black woman was homeless ?????!!!!! kwassa May 2018 #55
I'm not meaning the one that called the police sarah FAILIN May 2018 #64
It wasn't in public gollygee May 2018 #71
Who says? sarah FAILIN May 2018 #72
Don't you think any sane person would have noticed all her books and papers? womanofthehills May 2018 #85
The lights were off. How did she see any books? sarah FAILIN May 2018 #95
I think your answers show your prejudice and white privilege. kwassa May 2018 #131
Your comment shows your poor reading comprehension. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #159
Pls stop. You're losing and your privilege is showing. brush May 2018 #123
Really... sarah FAILIN May 2018 #157
You still don't get it. You've been wasting yours. brush May 2018 #158
Goodbye. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #160
A Yale student on twitter noted that a "homeless person" Blue_Tires May 2018 #152
I don't see a lot of homeless people period. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #156
It's *obvious* that's exactly both what chick and police were thinking. moriah May 2018 #59
How the hell are homeless people wandering into Yale dorms? RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #146
No it was a neighbor thing sarah FAILIN May 2018 #46
I have encountered a barefoot white woman sleeping in my stairwell IronLionZion May 2018 #51
Or it may have been exactly what it looks like. Iggo May 2018 #52
Poor? gollygee May 2018 #56
Oh, please. Watch the video. Read the story, google it for God's sake. brush May 2018 #122
No way in hell... Blue_Tires May 2018 #151
But targeted poor 'people' just happened to be Black? Sure............... Demsrule86 May 2018 #164
I am honestly not OK with this sort of thing. Initech May 2018 #43
+1 nt backtoblue May 2018 #44
Same here! regnaD kciN May 2018 #115
Nah, Sarah Braasch is a repeat offender. If you followed the story you know that. brush May 2018 #124
The victims of these sort of things are usually named and face doxing too...so not feeling the Demsrule86 May 2018 #165
Anyone else notice the racist overtones to the title of this thread? Even we on DU are not immune. unitedwethrive May 2018 #58
I noticed that, too. Demit May 2018 #82
I did too...I have been shocked at some of the posts by some involving race. Demsrule86 May 2018 #166
Unnecessarily/inappropriately calling the police gets people killed. RockRaven May 2018 #62
If you watch both videos of the incident, the avebury May 2018 #63
To everyone complaining about this woman being doxxed Downtown Hound May 2018 #69
Innocent people are sometimes mistakenly doxxed, and in cases where the correct individual is... Marengo May 2018 #75
Doxxing white supremacist groups is one of the most effective tools against them Downtown Hound May 2018 #76
It's a dangerous practice which should be criminalized IMO. It's also my opinion that anyone who... Marengo May 2018 #80
I don't really care what you think about my character Downtown Hound May 2018 #81
Maybe you should ask Norma Zahory and Kyle Quinn how they feel about doxxing. Be sure to tell... Marengo May 2018 #88
Maybe you should talk to Heather Heyer's mom Downtown Hound May 2018 #98
James Alex Fields was arrested fleeing the scene after killing Heather Heyer, doxxing didn't help... Marengo May 2018 #118
So after asking several times for an answer as to how to better fight white supremecists Downtown Hound May 2018 #135
You are obviously devoted to this tactic despite acknowledging the potentiality for collateral... Marengo May 2018 #184
Yes, I'm dedicated to tactics that work Downtown Hound May 2018 #213
I had a feeling you would resort to the same unprincipled tactic as other poster. Guess I shouldn't Marengo May 2018 #236
And the self imposed regulator of all things principled Downtown Hound May 2018 #237
Rep. Katherine Clark (D-MA) is sponsoring a bill, the Online Safety Modernization Act of 2017, Marengo May 2018 #238
More like an out of touch, centrist politician Downtown Hound May 2018 #239
She's "out of touch" because she apparently recognizes the potential for harm to innocent persons... Marengo May 2018 #252
Or maybe she just fails to recognize the much greater Downtown Hound May 2018 #257
And again you clearly demonstrate you don't give a shit about those that have been harmed. It's... Marengo May 2018 #260
Oh blah, blah, blah, I've already answered that multiple times Downtown Hound May 2018 #262
You insinuate anyone who doesn't support doxxing to be accepting of racism, yet label me an... Marengo May 2018 #268
Still haven't answered the question Downtown Hound May 2018 #269
Back for more? I thought you were done? Marengo May 2018 #270
Just checking to see if you were going to answer it for once Downtown Hound May 2018 #271
Run along and accuse someone else of being a racist for not buying your bullshit. Marengo May 2018 #272
Downtown Hound, you rock. brush May 2018 #276
Seconded ck4829 May 2018 #279
What gets me in most of these cases are that the racists are so f**king dumb - (hello cellphones) womanofthehills May 2018 #89
A head scratcher for certain, especially considering the RW engages in doxxing as well and one... Marengo May 2018 #91
That's your opinion. I otoh am glad the Charlottesville racists were doxxed... brush May 2018 #154
+1. Best way to avoid publicity: Don't act like a racist asshole in public. dalton99a May 2018 #181
Good advice, and I'd add in private as well. brush May 2018 #182
The potentiality of exposing innocent persons to potential harm by misidentification is acceptable.. Marengo May 2018 #185
Tamir Rice, John Crawford and on and on and on brush May 2018 #204
How is the Tamir Rice case relevant to a discussion on doxxing? Marengo May 2018 #206
Huh? If you don't know why are you even in this discussion? brush May 2018 #208
LOL! Try again with something relevant. The 911 caller in the Rice case clearly stated be believed.. Marengo May 2018 #212
You really are uninformed. Google Tamir Rice and educate yourself. brush May 2018 #215
Nope. You're just spitting out words to see where they splatter, to paraphase The Duke. It's not... Marengo May 2018 #216
You're uninformed and not worth further discussion. brush May 2018 #218
As I expected with you as well. You attempted an unprincipled tactic, got called on it, and are... Marengo May 2018 #221
You declaring it to be always unprincipled does not automatically make it so Downtown Hound May 2018 #225
I most certainly am inhabiting the high ground on this issue, and have considerable company. Your... Marengo May 2018 #228
Fine. Downtown Hound May 2018 #230
I'm "elitist" for believing the rule of law is preferable to vigilantism for the protection of... Marengo May 2018 #234
LOL! Downtown Hound May 2018 #235
If you bothered to research the real-life experiences of mistakenly doxxed persons, you would Marengo May 2018 #240
I wouldn't give a shit about the neo-Nazis Downtown Hound May 2018 #242
Oh, so because you would be okay with being mistakenly doxxed, everyone else should as well? Marengo May 2018 #245
Should minorities have to live with organized, underground, violent opposition against them Downtown Hound May 2018 #246
I wonder what the members of this community might think of your absolute disdain for what... Marengo May 2018 #250
No one is showing them contempt Downtown Hound May 2018 #255
You are showing them contempt. Repeatedly in this discussion. EOD Marengo May 2018 #259
If doxxing was fool proof, Norma Zahory would never have been misidentified. There's absolutely... Marengo May 2018 #248
I never said there was a guarantee Downtown Hound May 2018 #258
When it does happen, it's no dig deal according to you. Collateral damage well worth the cost. Marengo May 2018 #261
Same thing to you with victims of racial profiling and other abuses Downtown Hound May 2018 #263
Your apparent belief that doxxing is the only effective method to counter racial profiling etc.,... Marengo May 2018 #267
If you're asking that question then you're really not paying attention. Downtown Hound May 2018 #219
Oh, I know the answer. It's not relevant, but nice try. Marengo May 2018 #220
Um, actually it is relevant Downtown Hound May 2018 #222
LOL! Again, it's not. As I know you must be aware of this, I must wonder what your intent to... Marengo May 2018 #224
You openly admit you understand how it's relevant Downtown Hound May 2018 #226
LOL! Now I must seriously question your reading comprehension in addition to your intelligence. Marengo May 2018 #229
Question away. Downtown Hound May 2018 #231
Doxxing is one method where black people don't get killed MaryMagdaline May 2018 #138
Indeed. Downtown Hound May 2018 #139
Thank you. Quayblue May 2018 #180
The neo-Nazis engage in doxxing as well. To suggest that only culpable persons can be harmed by... Marengo May 2018 #186
I'm suggesting no such thing MaryMagdaline May 2018 #189
Oh, so you're okay with collateral damage on innocent people. What does that say about your... Marengo May 2018 #191
It says that I'm sick to hell of people violating civil rights of others MaryMagdaline May 2018 #192
Democrats enthusiastically support a tactic widely... Marengo May 2018 #193
You're having a nice debate with yourself MaryMagdaline May 2018 #194
LOL! As I expected, thanks for the confirmation. Marengo May 2018 #197
We lock criminals up in prison Downtown Hound May 2018 #223
Weak ass argument. There is no formal system in place that regulates the practice of doxxing that Marengo May 2018 #232
Hardly. Downtown Hound May 2018 #233
This message was self-deleted by its author MaryMagdaline May 2018 #280
+1 MaryMagdaline May 2018 #281
What was low-life was Sarah Braasch siccing cops on black people... brush May 2018 #126
Someone who doesn't support doxxing is a racist? Marengo May 2018 #187
Where did you read that? brush May 2018 #203
Oh please, try that bullshit with someone else. Marengo May 2018 #205
Speaking of bs, don't make up things. I didn't write that and you know it. brush May 2018 #207
LOL! Transparent pretending is transparent. Save the "who me???" act for someone incapable of... Marengo May 2018 #210
How would you overcome the First Amendment to criminalize it? NutmegYankee May 2018 #155
I don't hold a JD degree, but I can't imagine that would be impossible considering the intent and... Marengo May 2018 #190
It's easy to overcome that bill. NutmegYankee May 2018 #247
You may be right. On the other hand, if it can be proven the doxxer was aware of the potentiality... Marengo May 2018 #251
That very scenario would make the law unconstitutional. NutmegYankee May 2018 #253
All good points, and philosophically I agree. However, having been on the receiving end of vicious, Marengo May 2018 #264
I do understand your valid concerns with our data everywhere modern world. NutmegYankee May 2018 #266
I agree. Demsrule86 May 2018 #167
LOL, you're not going to get a satisfactory answer ck4829 May 2018 #209
Exactly. Downtown Hound May 2018 #214
I'd rather see her fined by the University for fake calls to the police TNLib May 2018 #217
You really think that would happen? LOL. Downtown Hound May 2018 #227
wonder what would happen if that were pullled on white people ?. AllaN01Bear May 2018 #77
so much for the "she was a progressive" talking points Blue_Tires May 2018 #87
Good. She sounds like complete nutjob. geardaddy May 2018 #90
She is also a licensed attorney in NYS obamanut2012 May 2018 #102
It makes sense RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #132
No wonder rockfordfile May 2018 #145
It was a mistake. Leave her alone. IluvPitties May 2018 #112
So she picked up the phone and her fingers slipped on the 9 and the 1 and then the 1 again? nt gollygee May 2018 #114
Bad decision. IluvPitties May 2018 #116
Not her only "mistake." johnp3907 May 2018 #137
Not a mistake. That's how she does. Iggo May 2018 #244
Her actions show the true character rockfordfile May 2018 #143
She's a women's rights marcher? Well the people in charge of it EllieBC May 2018 #170
Wow, this thread speaks volumes about some people here. Tipperary May 2018 #188
Why, what do you mean? betsuni May 2018 #196
Read the damn thread. Tipperary May 2018 #265
The link didn't work catrose May 2018 #202
+1. She was identified, not "doxxed" dalton99a May 2018 #278
White woman, black girl? cyclonefence May 2018 #241
Doxxing sucks. She's an asshole. (n/t) Iggo May 2018 #243
Yale Student Is Demanding The White Woman Who Called The Police On Her Be Expelled Gothmog May 2018 #273

WhiteTara

(29,815 posts)
1. white privilege rears its ugly head again.
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:07 PM
May 2018

Being for women's rights doesn't keep some women from being racists.

Welcome to DU

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
3. I guess if she had been wearing a hijab she would have been left alone
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:08 PM
May 2018

Funny how that works. All sorts of different levels of hypocrisy.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
161. She is a bigot. This was not the first time. I have no use for bigots...they are frauds...yes
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:43 PM
May 2018

there can be grey...but unless she evolves , she might as well be a Trumper.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,833 posts)
5. "she appears to be a woman's right marcher too, which comes as a surprise to me."
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:12 PM
May 2018

Racism among white progressives is definitely a thing.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,368 posts)
78. Much worse and bigger than even I had thought as little as 3 yrs ago.
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:14 PM
May 2018

I have a close friend who is like 3 minority groups herself who lives in a very wealthy city area surrounded by privileged, wealthy non POC progressives. I wont, cant use the W word, gets me way too much unwanted attention.

Anyway, she describes their behavour and attitudes to me over a period of time trying to show me that I dont have as much in common with them as I thought I did.

As a very far left liberal, not far left progressive, my basic purpose politically as well as my friends is civil rights. Rights of minorities. Rights of human beings. My pocketbook is important but NEVER as important as someone's right to life or ability to have basic human and civil rights.

It was shown to me that most of these people we were talking about did NOT value what I valued.


For instance someone should be able to sell a cigarette on a street corner and not be strangled to death, his right to life is more important than my right to a living wage. One of us is losing a right to more money, the other is losing a right to live.

mercuryblues

(14,636 posts)
8. She's a special kind of idiot
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:20 PM
May 2018

believes in separation of church and state, but is more than ok if the government issues a burka/hijab ban.

hates crime legislation but calls the cops because a black student fell asleep in a common area of her dorm.


lunasun

(21,646 posts)
11. Not special they are everywhere So concerned &gonna make everything all right even if it's not wrong
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:31 PM
May 2018
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
20. You misread
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:22 AM
May 2018

She “hates hate-crime legislation”, so it seems to fit her wheelhouse.

Good lord, she is fucking smug about how smart she seems to think she is.

mercuryblues

(14,636 posts)
22. you're right
Thu May 10, 2018, 07:33 AM
May 2018

I did. What she actually wrote is much worse. She hates the burka but is fine with wearing a white sheet on her head.

Crunchy Frog

(26,766 posts)
12. Good. I was just about to write a post suggesting she get doxxed.
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:33 PM
May 2018

I hope she gets the massive public shaming that she deserves.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
13. She felt threatened by a sleeping black woman.
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:33 PM
May 2018

Aside from racist, a tightly wound bundle of self-righteousness.

alarimer

(16,297 posts)
195. Exactly. I HATE internet mob justice.
Fri May 11, 2018, 09:07 AM
May 2018

The very worst aspect of our society now is the way we turn on people (often incorrectly) and justify all manner of abuse, including "doxxing". It is not any sort of justice.

meadowlander

(4,454 posts)
18. Doxxing people sucks.
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:01 PM
May 2018

She made a mistake. We don't know all the details about what happened and I'm sure she's hearing about it in any case. You can post in opposition to what she did - she doesn't need to be cyberstalked as well.

Doxxing people enables bullying and death threats and violates DU terms of service:

"Don't post anyone's private or personal information
Don't post private or personal information about any person (including public figures) even if that information is available elsewhere on the Internet."

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
27. Thanks. I totally agree.
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:34 AM
May 2018

Doxing is a thoroughly nasty practice that ruins lives and it's all the more revolting because it's usually engaged in with an air of virtuous moral superiority. Yuk.

brush

(55,123 posts)
111. Nah, she did it twice to black people in that dorm. Google it. She totally deserves...
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:20 PM
May 2018

suffering consequences for her repeat racism.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
127. That should result in death threats and blacklisting for life should it?
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:04 PM
May 2018

God save me from righteous people and their witch hunts.

brush

(55,123 posts)
129. Not sure from your response what side of the issue you are on but Sarah Braasch...
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:07 PM
May 2018

started the witch hunt with her second call to sic cops on innocent black people.

brush

(55,123 posts)
141. What's your opinion? Racists should be free to sic cops on innocent black people...
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:27 PM
May 2018

Or suffer some consequences for their racism?

I'm guessing Sarah Braasch won't be doing it again.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
168. Don't be foolish.
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:09 PM
May 2018

I’m not here to play your little gotcha games. Of course I’m against her actions. I’m also against her being doxed. If you want to discuss things like a grown-up, I’m here. Otherwise kindly shove off and do me the favor of never having to see a reply from you again.

brush

(55,123 posts)
176. Discuss what should be the penalty for siccing cops on innocent black people then,..
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:59 PM
May 2018

considering what has happened in recent times to 12-year-old Tamir Rice, to John Crawford and countless other unarmed, innocent black people who had the temerity to make a cowardly, racist uncomfortable with their presence and end up dead for it?

How many times do these cowards get to slink away undetected without any punishment for whatever humiliation, injury, jailing or even death of the innocent people they used the cops as a valet for their racism?

Laws to levy punishment against them is in order. What do you suggest? IMO doxxing, double x byw, will put a second thought in their heads before they make their racist call.

And I could give a shit if I never hear from you again either.

Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #168)

Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #168)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
169. No, vigilantism is not calling the cops
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:20 PM
May 2018

and taking on the action yourself. That would be getting some people to help her physically kick the girl out.

brush

(55,123 posts)
175. However you define it, she sicced the cops on an innocent black person so that...
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:49 PM
May 2018

they would do her racist dirty work for her.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
177. that is evil but not vigilantism
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:05 PM
May 2018

and did the cops even go along with it? Sounds like maybe not.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
29. Fuck that shit... Maybe if more of these excitable white folks WERE doxxed
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:39 AM
May 2018

Last edited Thu May 10, 2018, 10:18 AM - Edit history (2)

it might deter them from calling the cops every time they see a scary black person minding their own business??

Because the number of these incidents is increasing by the week...

Nevermind the fact that every time someone calls the cops over "Someone's Existing While Black!!" they are putting that person's life in grave danger...

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,343 posts)
54. Maybe they should just institute sensitivity training for wypipo on campus to help
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:37 AM
May 2018

avoid these incidents.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
57. Not sure what that would do
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:46 AM
May 2018

Since this wasn't an innocent mistake made in good faith, there was actual malicious intent behind it...

Besides, Yale already has sensitivity programs out the wazoo and they didn't prevent this...

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,343 posts)
174. Who said sensitivity training is the "magic answer for everything"?
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:28 PM
May 2018

Of course it's not, but it doesn't have to be to still be useful in helping to at least try to minimize these kind of wypipo incidents.

hunter

(38,565 posts)
67. It's increasingly being reported, maybe because more people are aware of it. And cell phone...
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:39 PM
May 2018

... videos on social media sites document this sort of racism.

There are many communities in the U.S.A. where it's still considered completely normal to call the police whenever "suspicious" black people are about.

I grew up in such a place but I didn't know it at the time because it's not something my parents ever did, and they've always been politically active in their support of civil rights. But I'll bet maybe 30% of the people in my 99% white"home town," the same sorts of people who voted for Trump, felt it their civic duty to protect their fellow white people by calling the police on any black person who looked out of place. And the police didn't treat everyone with equal respect. Any black person who talked back to them risked arrest and violence.







MaryMagdaline

(6,922 posts)
130. Agree. She knows damn well what happens to black people when you call the police
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:07 PM
May 2018

It was an aggressive act. Let her be exposed.

avebury

(10,967 posts)
60. From what the victim said during the video, this
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:56 AM
May 2018

white girl called the University Police on a black male as well in the past. If she has made at least two phone calls about black people then this is not a mistake, it is intentional.

womanofthehills

(8,984 posts)
83. When it happens two times it's not a mistake
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:52 PM
May 2018

The woman who was sleeping told the police (in the video) the same women recently called the police on her male friend who was in the hallway - because he was black.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
108. I was confident someone would criticize the act of identifying a racist while ignoring the racism.
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:11 PM
May 2018

I was confident someone would criticize the act of identifying a racist while wholly and completely ignoring the racism itself.



I'm also confident you'll advertise righteous indignation that it was pointed out.

brush

(55,123 posts)
110. Nah, she deserves it. This is the second time Sarah Braasch called cops on innocent black...
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:16 PM
May 2018

people in that dorm (google it).

Also, there should be laws that levy consequences against racist cowards making calls to sic police on black people and other POCs because their presence makes them uncomfortable.

Are you forgetting already the Starbucks incident and the many incidents at Waffle House—not to mention the late Tamir Rice and John Crawford and on and on and on?

These were black men killed by police because of racist callers.

Doxxing is small potatoes IMO, they should be fined stiffly or jailed if their calls result in injustice, injury or death.

They shouldn't just be able to slink away undetected only to do it again at whim.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
211. I agree I hate the whole Doxing thing
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:57 PM
May 2018

This person sucks and deserves to be fined for a fake call to the campus police or disciplined by the University. But Doxing is nothing but mob justice. It's kind of sickening.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,343 posts)
256. Boo fuckin' hoo for her! Maybe that'll teach her a valuable lesson & she'll cut out the wypipo BS!
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:35 AM
May 2018

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
19. Hold on
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:32 PM
May 2018

This woman is a lawyer ? Then certainly she must know what it is that LEOs do, and that does not include being called because you felt threatened by a Black woman, a graduate student, no less, sleeping ? Exactly how was this woman threatening her ? Was she snoring ? Talking in her sleep ?

What is happening to white people ?

Last week, two young Mohawks were taking a tour of a Colorado college, which they had driven seven hours to see, and arrived shortly after the official tour had begun. One white woman walked up to them and started harassing them because THEY didn't talk to HER when she started pressing questions upon them. "They were too quiet." And they had made the mistake of wearing black T-shirts (They were concert souvenirs). THEY made HER nervous, so what did she do ? Why she called 911 of course.

Is it in the water ? People, get a grip.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
21. I'd say its the Dump Effect
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:35 AM
May 2018

Dump openly praises white supremacists as "good people" which emboldens many of them to come out of the closet.

geardaddy

(25,051 posts)
92. I don't think the young Native men were Mohawks
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:13 PM
May 2018

They were from Arizona. But you're right, something bad is definitely happening.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
183. That's what TIME magazine reported.
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:57 PM
May 2018

I had to read it twice, because the Mohawk Nation is back east. But, TIME reported, "The family is Mohawk and lived in upstate New York before moving to New Mexico." Lord, I hope they got it right.

By the way, "Bydd y ddraig Gymreig yn codi eto."

(Dad's a welshman: Twll din pob Sais was his motto.)

geardaddy

(25,051 posts)
198. OK, thanks for the clarification
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:06 AM
May 2018

I say twll din bob Sais all the time!

Dach chi'n siarad Cymraeg? O le ydy dy dad di'n dŵad?

irisblue

(33,149 posts)
24. When she finishes grad school
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:12 AM
May 2018

A reputable (law?) firm googles her, this comes up. Forever. Racism had a cosy now a days, maybe

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
25. As progressives, we think progressives are beyond this kind of thing
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:29 AM
May 2018

but no we aren't. We have our own mess to clean up. We need to hold ourselves accountable too. Racism is systemic - it isn't just a problem for conservatives or people in one or two parts of the country or one age group.

36. Oh yeah?
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:58 AM
May 2018

One of DU’s own made a racist implication right here by deliberately conflating someone’s Asian heritage with another. An “All Asians are the same” assertion.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181078130

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
125. What she wrote is eight years old
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:00 PM
May 2018

I guarantee she’s now a full blown Trumper, IF she ever was a legitimate progressive. Nothing in what she wrote in that blog indicates that she knows what a liberal is.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
172. What makes me think she might consider herself to be a progressive is that she was in the women's
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:07 PM
May 2018

march.

kcr

(15,396 posts)
30. Atheist doesn't mean progressive
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:44 AM
May 2018

Some of the most vocal atheists I've known have been the least progressive. Of course, progressive doesn't mean not racist.

kcr

(15,396 posts)
32. Many of them are
Thu May 10, 2018, 08:59 AM
May 2018

But I don't think people who are against hate crime legislation are all that progressive. I'm just not that impressed with her. There are some white women who are all about their own rights, but fuck everyone else.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
34. Some don't even think into that much
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:09 AM
May 2018

She might not even realize what she's doing, but that's a big issue. And whether she actually is progressive is different from whether she thinks of herself that way. I think she probably self-labels herself as progressive, and saying she isn't really is the no-true-scotsman fallacy.

kcr

(15,396 posts)
35. But does she self label as such?
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:21 AM
May 2018

All I've seen are others labeling her as a progressive. I'm saying I see no evidence that she is. Therefore I don't see how the NTS applies, here.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
99. I suspect she considers herself a progressive
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:45 PM
May 2018

We've had people on DU argue a lot of that, and I read about the slavery argument and she was assigned that side of the argument - she didn't argue it by choice. That article is about how it's possible to argue for slavery just like it's possible to argue that women should be able to wear burqas if they choose, but in both cases that's wrong

She's an extreme free-speech type, which a lot of people here are. She is against Islamic women wearing head covering if they want, which I've read here. She opposed the concept of hate crimes calling it "thought policing" which I've read here.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
134. I am morbidly curious to know
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:10 PM
May 2018

what is considered a "winning argument in favor of slavery" by a schoolteacher...

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
171. Oh God it said that too
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:06 PM
May 2018

She argued that some enslaved person somewhere might have liked being enslaved, therefore it was a choice for someone anyway, therefore it was ok. How that got a passing grade, let alone won, is beyond me. I'd love to talk to the teacher and get the whole story because I sensed some grandiosity behind her writing.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
201. I saw and responded to that in some other thread...
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:20 AM
May 2018

I'm saddened that the other side of the argument wasn't able to properly counter...

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
37. I think a lot of people here didn't really watch this video
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:19 AM
May 2018

The women were neighbors.
Campus security was called because the white woman walked into the common room and turned on the light which woke up the black woman sleeping there and an argument occurred. According to what the black woman said, the white one told her she wasn't supposed to sleep in the common room which I can understand having a rule like that. This is not some white woman happening on an unknown black woman and trying to cause problems for her, This is more of a suite mate argument.

As for what the woman's other views are, I don't have time to look at her posts.bim just talking about this one incident between the neighbors.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
39. I agree
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:43 AM
May 2018

I also think that Sarah Braasch seems to have a history of this, and regardless of her many degrees, she seems, prima facie a bit unstable.

Here is her Yale page.

https://philosophy.yale.edu/people/sarah-braasch

Finally, I do not think one can call this a "doxxing" so to speak, as it was live-streamed on Facebook real time, so all the people involved had their names immediately out there.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/09/us/yale-student-napping-black-trnd/index.html

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
153. Yikes
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:05 PM
May 2018
"address the sub-human legal status of the world’s women at the source"

While denying a black woman her rights....

moriah

(8,312 posts)
53. Did *you* watch the video?
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:35 AM
May 2018

Or see the YGS RAs who have confirmed the victim's story this chick used the YPD as her racism valet before with a guy?

There's no mention of a rule about not sleeping in common areas, and the cops treated her as though the issue was not studying or sleeping in common areas, but that this woman thought the victim here was some homeless person who was not a student.

If it was just a spat, why all the long detention waiting for her ID to come back, or the condescending officer saying she only "felt" she had a right to be in the educational institution she's probably mortgaging her soul to pay for?

He's lucky she merely responded with "Continue. I hope this makes you feel powerful" rather than "I more than feel my student loans, officer. They pay your salary."

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
65. Yes I did.
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:15 PM
May 2018

The long wait with the id was because it was spelled differently and something about the date confused them.

I listened to the black woman. She is the one that said the white one told her she wasn't supposed to be sleeping there. Who knows if that is a real rule, but that seems to have started the argument.

moriah

(8,312 posts)
66. Yeah, and the woman's on tape also saying she "can't sleep there".
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

But at 1:30 AM you would think that a person wouldn't call the police on another student who fell asleep mid-cram.

The only sane reason was assuming she wasn't a student.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
70. Well no..
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:36 PM
May 2018

The story posted here didn't say this happened at 1:30 in the morning. It also didn't say they lived right next to each other. I had to figure that out myself by watching the video.

I think this story was pushed out with a lot of facts left out on purpose to let our imaginations go wild. My imagination filled in the empty spots so that I thought the sleeping woman was a stranger off the street till I watched the video That sells papers. A couple of suite mates getting into an argument does not.

moriah

(8,312 posts)
73. They lived on different floors, watch the video.
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:46 PM
May 2018

... victim on the 5th floor, the white chick on the 12th.

Edit to clarify evidence: Beginning of first video where white chick is saying she has the right to call police, she's standing in her own doorway. Video shows that's the 12th floor.

At the end of the second video, you hear them finally confirm the victim's identity. Fifth floor.

Link to 1:30 AM assertion:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/05/10/a-black-student-at-yale-was-napping-in-her-dorms-common-area-and-someone-called-the-police.html

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
79. Why did she go to the 12th floor then?
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:22 PM
May 2018

Did she not have a 5th floor common area of her own?

This whole mess is twisted up. The walls and doors looked alike, so I thought they were close neighbors. Sorry.

If she were there to study, why did she turn the lights off?

happy feet

(955 posts)
93. Don't you think you're trying awfully hard to determine how to blame the victim?
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:18 PM
May 2018

That she had no business as a student cramming for exams falling asleep in a common area? Really?

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
96. I'm trying to point out we don't have all the facts
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:26 PM
May 2018

I blame both of them, not the victim alone

Everyone seems happy to only have bits and pieces of facts though.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
104. We have 1 side
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:56 PM
May 2018

We don't know what happened when that light switch was flipped except what 1 person said.

There are 3 sides to anything. The version you hear from each participant and the 3rd which is in the middle and usually is the most truthful.

moriah

(8,312 posts)
105. But you keep insisting the verified facts aren't correct.
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:03 PM
May 2018

You say they were suitemates, the video clearly has people say multiple times they live on different floors.

You ask why she wasn't in the 5th floor common area -- so did the female cop in the video, when it comes as explained there was no 5th floor common area.

You are looking for every reason to excuse this woman calling the race valets not once but twice when Yale itself has said that they have reprimanded the woman person who involved campus security and that the victim had every right to be where she was.

And the second incident has been documented and admitted to by Yale as well, that it was the same woman both times freaked out about people who happened to be black in her building.

The known facts speak for themselves.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
119. No they do not
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:44 PM
May 2018

As much anger as was being shown to the cops, we do not know what happened before they were called.

I have already apologized for thinking they were neighbors. I think i have also apologized in one of the many posts you made to me for thinking she should have been in the 5th floor common room and not knowing there wasn't one. There really isn't anything I can say to satisfy you, and it looks like trashing the whole thread doesn't work when you keep replying to me so I'm putting you on ignore. Goodbye.

brush

(55,123 posts)
121. You can't possibly be serious. You blame the black woman for falling asleep cramming?
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:47 PM
May 2018

Un-fucking-belvable.

That whole incident should've been handled as adults who both lived in a the dorm—no police—I repeat, no police should have been called by Sarah Braasch to sic on a black woman.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
162. You blame the victim...what she has to jump though hoops for this racist scumbag...maybe racist girl
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:48 PM
May 2018

should be shown the door...racism can't be tolerated. Why shouldn't the victim of this nonsense nap in her dorm building...why is it this racist brat's business?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
94. She could have worked by laptop and ambient light, or they could be on a motion sensor timer thing-
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:20 PM
May 2018

Super common these days. In the end, there was no reason to assume someone w a laptop and books wasn’t a student cramming who fell asleep. They’re all over campuses and no one calls the cops.

moriah

(8,312 posts)
100. Video, which you really obviously didn't watch, explains no 5th floor common area.
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:50 PM
May 2018

Maybe she fell asleep studying and someone turned off the lights on her, she was zonked and didn't notice until the person turned them on and woke her?

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
106. I did watch the video and it is rude of you to say I didn't.
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:04 PM
May 2018

I may have missed that during the cross talk around me and on the video, but I'm the one pointing out that I think a lot of people failed to watch it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
109. Yours certainly is.
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:14 PM
May 2018

"to let our imaginations go wild..."

Yours certainly is. As is your narrative also.

brush

(55,123 posts)
117. It was between neighbors. Should've been handle that way instead of siccing...
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:39 PM
May 2018

cops on a black person again.

That's right. Again. She called cops on ablack Yale student before.

ecstatic

(33,168 posts)
249. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she got the cops involved. It's called racist intimidation
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:53 PM
May 2018

and it's the first thing racists threaten black people with when they can't get their way. It's even more disgusting because, as a Yale student (and an activist?) she KNEW that getting the cops involved could lead to an innocent woman dying over something super petty. Disgusting POS! F*ck her, I have zero pity for her at this point!

dreamland

(964 posts)
41. Woman's right marcher ?
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:47 AM
May 2018

It seems to me she is in the march to benefit herself rather than for all women. Lovely thing to do and looks great on a CV to show progressive views but that doesn't mean she's not racist.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
163. woman's rights marchers don't try to make wearing any garment even a burqa illegal.
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:50 PM
May 2018

She is a fraud...and seems smug to me.

LiberalArkie

(15,862 posts)
42. It may not have been a black/white thing at all.
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:53 AM
May 2018

It may have been "There is a poor person sleeping in the common area" thing.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
49. Idk
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:27 AM
May 2018

Maybe they were thinking to woman called security thinking this mystery person sleeping there was homeless. The whole dynamic changes once you realize they were neighbors that shared that room.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
55. But WHY would she think the black woman was homeless ?????!!!!!
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:37 AM
May 2018

a lot of stereotyping going on here.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
64. I'm not meaning the one that called the police
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:11 PM
May 2018

I mean the poster here. A lot of us posting here, myself included, were assuming the sleeping woman was a stranger. The first thing I think of when I see someone sleeping in public is that they don't have anywhere else to sleep. Nothing to do with skin color, just the fact someone is sleeping in public.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
72. Who says?
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:43 PM
May 2018

My dorm common area was open to anyone from 7 am to 10pm. They had a reception desk and would call girls down if they had a visitor if the desk was being manned. That is my perception of a late 80s common area so I thought of that openness, but I know others are more private these days. It would have been much worse if a stranger had made their way into a private common area.
At no point in this story were we told the 2 women were suite mates. You have to figure that out by watching the video.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
95. The lights were off. How did she see any books?
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:20 PM
May 2018

I don't know that she had any books and papers at all since most papers are written on the computer.

The white woman turning on the light and waking up the black woman started this arguement but I think she had every right to use her own common room with the lights on. If someone wants to sleep it should be done in their own room if they don't want to be disturbed.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
131. I think your answers show your prejudice and white privilege.
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:08 PM
May 2018

Particularly your comment about this woman being homeless, simply because she is black.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
159. Your comment shows your poor reading comprehension.
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:38 PM
May 2018

I never EVER said I thought she was homeless because she is black. This is what I said.

The first thing I think of when I see someone sleeping in public is that they don't have anywhere else to sleep. Nothing to do with skin color, just the fact someone is sleeping in public

Not one time did I say anything was because she is black. You lied and expect your little group to pile on because of you pathetic lie. Hit the ignore button.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
157. Really...
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:32 PM
May 2018

Hit that ignore button then. It makes my life so much easier.
Your "privilege is showing" is the stupid word of the day to let you join in and feel like you're part of the group. Don't waste my time.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
152. A Yale student on twitter noted that a "homeless person"
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:02 PM
May 2018

would have needed to get past THREE layers of security to reach that room...

While it is possible, do you see a lot of homeless people willing to take that great a risk?

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
156. I don't see a lot of homeless people period.
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:20 PM
May 2018

I also don't see a lot of people sleeping in public.

That being the experience point I'm coming from, I can see others that don't know the full story and don't know the security there could think the same.

moriah

(8,312 posts)
59. It's *obvious* that's exactly both what chick and police were thinking.
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:53 AM
May 2018

The officers treated her as though the issue was her right to be in the dorm room she had a key for, etc.

Even the "supervisor" who heard the white woman's story first. He's the one that got condescending when she said she had the right to be in the building, saying that it didn't matter if she "felt" she had the right to be in her own dorm room instead of be detained by four officers while they investigated her ID.

And they did not give her ID back, de facto detention, until the University had confirmed its validity.

There's no mention of any rules the victim allegedly "broke", by sleeping or studying in a common area. In our dorm that was common. Yes, you're correct in hearing the "supervisor" say that the white woman claimed they got into a verbal altercation after she found her asleep, but then he tells the victim that there *was* no altercation so there was no harassment, even by their prolonged and unnecessary detention.

At no time do any of the officers, besides the female cop, act like it's obvious she's a student, and her reasoning doesn't seem to come from the off-camera interview with the other person, but that she has the key to her room, her ID, and had left her study materials upstairs. She seems to be the only one who sees through the BS.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
146. How the hell are homeless people wandering into Yale dorms?
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:32 PM
May 2018

That wasn't happening 20 years ago in the dorms I lived in, how the hell is it happening now????

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
46. No it was a neighbor thing
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:10 AM
May 2018

They lived next door to each other and had history.
They shared a common room and one got mad the other one woke her up by turning on the shared room light. The other was mad since you aren't supposed to sleep in the common room.
2 people that have to share space don't always get along.

IronLionZion

(45,992 posts)
51. I have encountered a barefoot white woman sleeping in my stairwell
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:27 AM
May 2018

and my initial reaction is that she must have gotten drunk, passed out, and is sleeping it off. Who knows for sure. White people are not generally assumed to be homeless.

Black people are often assumed to be impoverished and trespassing.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
56. Poor?
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:39 AM
May 2018

Where did that come up? I haven't read anything about her being poor and I doubt many Yale students are.

Dorms aren't open to the public. It would have to be someone with the ability to get in there.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
151. No way in hell...
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:58 PM
May 2018

If you want to say MAYBE it was a personal beef instead of a black/white thing, that is at least slightly plausible...

Initech

(100,559 posts)
43. I am honestly not OK with this sort of thing.
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:55 AM
May 2018

Yes what this woman did was completely wrong on every level. But doxxing opens not only people like this up to the worst kind of hate and harassment that the internet has to offer, but their families as well who have nothing to do with this. It's wrong on every level and we should not encourage or endorse this kind of behavior.

regnaD kciN

(26,186 posts)
115. Same here!
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:33 PM
May 2018

And doxxing is a two-edged sword. We may LUUUUUV it when it happens to someone we dislike, but how would you like it if alt-righties were to hack DU and post your personal information on a local Stormfront-type board?

brush

(55,123 posts)
124. Nah, Sarah Braasch is a repeat offender. If you followed the story you know that.
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:58 PM
May 2018

She excercised white privilege—again.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
165. The victims of these sort of things are usually named and face doxing too...so not feeling the
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:54 PM
May 2018

person who started this thing's pain.

unitedwethrive

(1,998 posts)
58. Anyone else notice the racist overtones to the title of this thread? Even we on DU are not immune.
Thu May 10, 2018, 11:49 AM
May 2018

A white woman and a black girl. Are they not both college students, so approximately the same age?

avebury

(10,967 posts)
63. If you watch both videos of the incident, the
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:06 PM
May 2018

victim indicates that the white girl called the University police on a black male friend not that long ago. It sure looks like the white girl has called the police on black people at least twice. One call could be a mistake, two calls would indicate otherwise.

The victim indicated that the University had been notified of the white woman's behavior in the past. I am listening to the longer video with the police and the victim indicated that this was the second time that she has experienced problems with the white girl.

It would be interesting if the victim submitted an Open Records Request to find out how many phone calls the white woman has made to University Police.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
69. To everyone complaining about this woman being doxxed
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:57 PM
May 2018

When one of you offers a satisfactory answer on how to stop this kind of behavior, then we're all ears. Until then, get over it. If you had to deal with this kind of dangerous harassment and societal double standards on a regular basis, you'd be ready to deliver a public shaming or two as well.

And as far as I'm concerned this was is well deserved.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
75. Innocent people are sometimes mistakenly doxxed, and in cases where the correct individual is...
Thu May 10, 2018, 01:55 PM
May 2018

Identified, innocent related or associated persons can be exposed to potential harm. It’s a low-life tactic regardless of whether the source is left or right wing, and I’d like to see it prosecuted as a crime.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
76. Doxxing white supremacist groups is one of the most effective tools against them
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:03 PM
May 2018

It's the reason why they went underground again and are having problems paying their bills to keep their hate sites open. Again, if you have better solution as to how to stop them or this kind of blatant racism that has no place in modern society, I'm all ears.

Waiting for your ideas...

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
80. It's a dangerous practice which should be criminalized IMO. It's also my opinion that anyone who...
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:28 PM
May 2018

Engages in or supports doxxing is of questionable character.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
81. I don't really care what you think about my character
Thu May 10, 2018, 02:32 PM
May 2018

Anybody that feels more sorry for racists getting called out than for their victims are not people who's opinions I really care about.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
88. Maybe you should ask Norma Zahory and Kyle Quinn how they feel about doxxing. Be sure to tell...
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:04 PM
May 2018

Them the collateral damage they experienced was well worth the effectiveness of the tactic when the correct target is identified.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
98. Maybe you should talk to Heather Heyer's mom
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:35 PM
May 2018

about how she feels about all the racists who caused her daughter to be run over by a car in an act of right wing terrorism, how she feels about all those Nazis who participated in Charlottesville being doxxed and publicly shamed.

Still waiting on you to come up with a better way to fight white supremacy.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
118. James Alex Fields was arrested fleeing the scene after killing Heather Heyer, doxxing didn't help...
Thu May 10, 2018, 04:44 PM
May 2018

Her in any way. Whatever her mother may feel about doxxing is irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that it has caused harm to people misidentified and innocent. It’s unethical, and so is anyone practicing or supporting the tactic IMO.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
135. So after asking several times for an answer as to how to better fight white supremecists
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:10 PM
May 2018

your big answer is to essentially let the police handle it after they kill somebody. Sorry, not good enough. Those same police pretty much stood back the entire time in Charlottesville and did nothing to intervene.

If you've forgotten already, in the aftermath of the Charlottesville riots the Nazis we're all full of bravado and claiming that they were going to start doing this everywhere. That all changed when they started getting doxxed.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/white-supremacists-from-charlottesville-rally-being-outed-on-social-media

They started getting fired from their jobs, they started getting shunned in their communities, they started getting ostracized socially. Today, they are in hiding, the alt right is practically non-existent, and they're even having trouble getting enough money to keep their website open.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/white-supremacist-website-stormfront-is-running-out-of-money.html

I'm not even going to sit here and try and tell you that it's not a tragedy when it happens to an innocent person. But ultimately, those people were cleared in the end and had their names restored. If I have to choose between that and allowing fascism and white supremacy to flourish and thrive under the guise of being anonymous, I'm afraid I'll have to choose the former. There's about 10 million victims of the Nazis and countless victims of lynchings and KKK terrorism in the United States that if I had to wager, I'd wager they'd see it my way.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
184. You are obviously devoted to this tactic despite acknowledging the potentiality for collateral...
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:55 AM
May 2018

Damage. As I stated earlier, I consider doxxing unethical at best and think the same of any tireless defender. If you honestly believe a misidentified target’s life can be fully restored to it’s pre-doxxing state as simply and easily as you suggest, I question your intelligence as well.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
213. Yes, I'm dedicated to tactics that work
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:03 PM
May 2018

And a few mistakes by idiots who don't know how to do it correctly doesn't change that, and neither do people that don't recognize what the greater threat is.

And I can't help but notice that in all your self righteousness about a few cases of mistaken identity which were later rectified, you show no concern about the victims of racism and white supremacy.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
236. I had a feeling you would resort to the same unprincipled tactic as other poster. Guess I shouldn't
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:30 PM
May 2018

Be surprised.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
237. And the self imposed regulator of all things principled
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:35 PM
May 2018

speaks again. Doesn't actually say anything, mind you, just speaks the same thing that has already been spoken many times.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
238. Rep. Katherine Clark (D-MA) is sponsoring a bill, the Online Safety Modernization Act of 2017,
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:45 PM
May 2018

Which would effectively criminalize doxxing. Is she an elitist who doesn’t care about the struggles of minorities?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
239. More like an out of touch, centrist politician
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:48 PM
May 2018

who focuses on a few sensationalist cases and fails to either see the big picture or does see but refuses to abide by it for fear of alienating voters. There's a lot of those in the Democratic Party.

Oh and I forgot to add, also fairly wealthy and white, and probably has never been the victim of much discrimination even though she probably thinks she has.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
252. She's "out of touch" because she apparently recognizes the potential for harm to innocent persons...
Sat May 12, 2018, 12:25 AM
May 2018

That can (and has) result from doxxing and wants to make an effort to minimize that? Are you woke because you don’t give a shit and want it done anyway?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
257. Or maybe she just fails to recognize the much greater
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:42 AM
May 2018

That comes to innocent people that comes from allowing Nazis, racists, and hate mongers free reign to never be publicly called out. How many unarmed black people were killed by cops last year because racists like this sicced the police on them? How many people were killed by false doxxing? I still have yet to hear you express anything even approaching concern for the countless innocent victims of racism.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
260. And again you clearly demonstrate you don't give a shit about those that have been harmed. It's...
Sat May 12, 2018, 12:29 PM
May 2018

Okay with you so long as no one is killed. You don’t think this can ever happen?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
262. Oh blah, blah, blah, I've already answered that multiple times
Sat May 12, 2018, 12:43 PM
May 2018

You've grown boring and repetitive.

Answer one of my questions for a change if you want me to answer any more of yours. Until then, I'm done with you.

Ah what the hell, I'll answer it one more time. YES. I'm willing to accept a small amount of collateral. It's called war. I didn't start it. I don't want it. They started it. But call it for what it is. War. There hasn't been a war in history that hasn't resulted in collateral.

This difference between you and me is I'm not a cowardly hypocrite who denies that there will be a tiny amount of collateral from doxxing racists. But you are too much of an intellectual coward to admit that you are willing to accept a lot of collteral as well, even more than I am, by allowing racism to go unchallenged, and giving those who engage in it legal cover behind a shield of anonymity. Try pointing that judgy finger at yourself once in awhile and ask yourself how many victims of racism there have to be before you are willing to take a stand against those who perpetuate it?

How many? Don't even bother asking me another question until you answer that one. How many victims are you willing to tolerate?

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
268. You insinuate anyone who doesn't support doxxing to be accepting of racism, yet label me an...
Sun May 13, 2018, 12:41 AM
May 2018

Intellectual coward? What you have resorted to in defense of your immoral position is the apex of intellectual cowardice. If that’s all you have, discussion over. You’re a waste of my time.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
269. Still haven't answered the question
Sun May 13, 2018, 08:02 AM
May 2018

You're an intellectual coward because you refuse to despite me asking multiple times. I am not going to answer anything else from you until you do.

How many?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
271. Just checking to see if you were going to answer it for once
Sun May 13, 2018, 11:25 AM
May 2018

I can see now you're not. So, peace out.

womanofthehills

(8,984 posts)
89. What gets me in most of these cases are that the racists are so f**king dumb - (hello cellphones)
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:06 PM
May 2018

If you are dumb enough to act or speak in a racist manner while being videotaped, you should expect to be doxxed. If you don't expect to, I guess you have never watched the news or have no idea about cause and effect.

Does racist hate overtake rationality? Hello, you might end up on the news - all your neighbors will see you including some that might be unstable.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
91. A head scratcher for certain, especially considering the RW engages in doxxing as well and one...
Thu May 10, 2018, 03:12 PM
May 2018

Would assume the morons are aware of this. But, as you say, it would seem the hate overwhelms rationality.

brush

(55,123 posts)
154. That's your opinion. I otoh am glad the Charlottesville racists were doxxed...
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:17 PM
May 2018

and glad that this woman's name was made public. She sicced cops twice on innocent black people in that dorm so it was no mistake.

There should be consequences to racists using police as their valets because the presence of black people make them uncomfortable.

I question the character of anyone who doesn't get that?

That has the potential of more Tamir Rices, John Crawfords and on and on and on. It's a roll of the dice as to whether you get a reasonable cop or a racist cop eager to shoot a black person.

She should have worked the situation as an adult with another adult who both live in that dorm. No cops were necessary, but having done it before, that was her way of ridding her presence of black people.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
185. The potentiality of exposing innocent persons to potential harm by misidentification is acceptable..
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:59 AM
May 2018

To you?

brush

(55,123 posts)
204. Tamir Rice, John Crawford and on and on and on
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:06 PM
May 2018

Are those deaths acceptable to you and the racist caller just slinks away with no consequences levied?

Until false complaint laws are in place and enforced making these callers know that their names may be made public will make them think twice about calling to complain that a black person's presence made them un-fucking-comfortable.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
212. LOL! Try again with something relevant. The 911 caller in the Rice case clearly stated be believed..
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:01 PM
May 2018

The weapon to be a fake. The call to 911 was entirely appropriate considering the behavior of Rice as described.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
216. Nope. You're just spitting out words to see where they splatter, to paraphase The Duke. It's not...
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:15 PM
May 2018

Relevant, and you know it.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
221. As I expected with you as well. You attempted an unprincipled tactic, got called on it, and are...
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:24 PM
May 2018

Now bailing.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
225. You declaring it to be always unprincipled does not automatically make it so
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:38 PM
May 2018

Sorry, but you are not the high ruler of all moral authority. Sorry to break it to you.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
228. I most certainly am inhabiting the high ground on this issue, and have considerable company. Your...
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:50 PM
May 2018

Position on this practice, to be frank, is immoral IMO. That’s not likely to be changed by you or any other advocate of doxxing.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
230. Fine.
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:58 PM
May 2018

As I've now stated several times. I don't really care what your opinion is. Those who doxxed the Charlottesville Nazis stopped a budding fascist movement in it's infancy before it could gain any traction and cause even more death. That's something that I KNOW FOR CERTAIN you will never do or ever even attempt to do, much less succeed at, while you're sitting comfortably in your home typing on your computer hiding in your self-created bubble of moral high ground.

Personally, I don't see anything moral about that. More intellectual and elitist snobbery backed up by weak and token activism that will never really accomplish much but at the end of the day will make you feel good about yourself which you can then brag about online to anybody that will listen.

The moral ones, the truly moral ones, are the ones who dedicated their time and energy to fighting these fascists that turned one city into a war zone and would have done the same to many others if they hadn't been stopped. I thank them for being true heroes, not you.

Have a nice day.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
234. I'm "elitist" for believing the rule of law is preferable to vigilantism for the protection of...
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:20 PM
May 2018

The innocent? I find this conversation has led my mind to a rather dark place, a place where I’m hoping you will be mistakenly doxxed. After all, the RW does as well.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
235. LOL!
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:26 PM
May 2018

So now you wish upon me what I have never wished on somebody else, to be mistakenly doxxed.

You sound like a vigilante.

And where do you stand on protecting minorities from racism since you're so concerned about the innocent? Oh I forgot, call the police after one of them is dead and just hope they don't botch the case like they did with Trayvon Martin. I'm still waiting for you to come up with an idea on how to combat this that doesn't require a dead body.

Plus I can also tell you this, if I ever was mistakenly doxxed, the very first thing I would do is go on every social media account in existence and declare my innocence and explain why they have the wrong person. If I had to wager, I'd bet I'd could have it cleared up within a few days at the most.

And I would consider it time well spent, if, in the greater scheme of things, it caused a whole movement of racists to be driven underground. Yes, I would consider that worth it.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
240. If you bothered to research the real-life experiences of mistakenly doxxed persons, you would
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:55 PM
May 2018

Discover that wager would be lost. You seem to be making the truly bizarre assumption that everyone who would have access to your doxxed info is a sane, rational person. Would you go onto the sites inhabited by neo-Nazis to plead your case? Do you actually expect to be warmly received?
The consequences may be acceptable to YOU, but you don’t get to decide that for others.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
242. I wouldn't give a shit about the neo-Nazis
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:25 PM
May 2018

If they were doxxing me it WOULD NOT, I repeat, WOULD NOT be a case of mistaken identity. I oppose them with every blood fiber in my being, so if I was being doxxed by them it would be because I did something that got their attention and they found out about it and doxxed me. In which case I would not plead my innocence, I would confess my guilt, tell them to go fuck themselves, and state that I would do it again in heartbeat.

The hypothetical scenario you keep sounding the air raid siren over would be something in which I was accused of being or doing something I wasn't or I didn't, say for example, falsely being accused of being a neo-Nazi. In this case, it would be fairly easy for me to prove my innocence. First of all, if they started calling my job to get me fired, well, I work for a very enlightened company with good progressive values, and I have a good relationship with my supervisors. They would believe me if I told them that it was a case of mistaken identity and they would stand by me. Plus, they'd probably secretly be proud of me for being the progressive that I am.

Second, I have a long history of activism, including arrests on my record, for acts of civil disobedience for left wing causes, including one against California's prop 8, which made gay marriage illegal. It would be pretty easy for me to prove that I am not, in fact, a Nazi, and most of the people who know me would laugh at the idea, so I doubt I would lose many friends. I have more than 10,000 posts on DU, as well as facebook and other sites, all of which would show a strong commitment to progressive ideals and anti-racism.

I don't call the cops on people of color for merely being in a certain place, So I don't think I have to worry about being doxxed for that. In fact, I go out of my way to avoid calling the cops at all unless its absolutely necessary. In other words, yes, I do think it would be pretty easy for me to prove my innocence to those who matter. If it was Nazis, LOL. They can go to hell. No need to prove my innocence with them except to prove I wasn't one of them.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
246. Should minorities have to live with organized, underground, violent opposition against them
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:45 PM
May 2018

or have police constantly harass them because there have been a few times in the past where some idiots didn't take the time to make sure they did it correctly?

You keep sensationalizing this as if it's likely to happen at any moment. You do realize that your chances of it ever happening to you or somebody you know are virtually none to very, very very, very very very very very, small? And if it ever has happened to you, you are a member of a very, very very, very ,very, small community?

By contrast, what are the odds that any African American has at some point in their lives had the police called on them? Been singled out in a store by security? Been the victim of overt racism? Been assaulted for his race? Been marginalized at work?

Yet, you seem to think all of that is less important than the literally one in millions chance that you or anybody you know will ever be the victim of a mistaken doxxing.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
250. I wonder what the members of this community might think of your absolute disdain for what...
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:56 PM
May 2018

has been described by several of its members as a nightmarish experience. What does this disdain reveal about your character? In another post, you boast about how allegedly effective your creds would be in shielding you from the collateral damage of misidentification without any apparent acknowledgement or concern that not everyone has such resources or support. That, along with all of the self congratulatory celebration of your alleged progressiveness, revealed to me absolute selfishness of your position on this matter. You simply don’t give a shit, so long as your malformed concept of justice is served.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
255. No one is showing them contempt
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:35 AM
May 2018

Last edited Sat May 12, 2018, 11:48 AM - Edit history (1)

That's just you trying to play up the victimhood angle you're so fond of.

I could just as easily say you are the selfish one for expecting minorities to tolerate organized racism by trying to take away one of the most effective tools for fighting it and punishing it because you want to focus on a few regrettable incidents (which I am not and have never made excuses for. Those that were responsible for that should be held accountable) and ignore the fact that doxxing racists works. You say I'm willing to tolerate collateral for my idea of justice. I say you're willing to tolerate far more collateral than I ever would just so you can hold everybody to your idea of "principled action." At least my way racism gets outed and exposed. Your way allows it to hide under anonymity and protection and get stronger, causing more and more collateral all the time.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
248. If doxxing was fool proof, Norma Zahory would never have been misidentified. There's absolutely...
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:19 PM
May 2018

No guarantee that you cannot be doxxed for something you didn’t do. There is no guarantee you cannot yourself be subjected to the collateral damage you find acceptable and apparently expect others to accept.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
258. I never said there was a guarantee
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:47 AM
May 2018

I said it was highly unlikely to happen to you, as in you probably have a greater statistical chance of winning the lottery three times than of getting wrongfully doxxed.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
267. Your apparent belief that doxxing is the only effective method to counter racial profiling etc.,...
Sun May 13, 2018, 12:08 AM
May 2018

Is truly bizarre and your absolute lack of concern for the collateral damage that it has caused, and will continue to cause, is an indicator of a malignant character. That now fully revealed, we are indeed done. At least until it happens again, then perhaps I’ll encourage you to reach out to the victim to let that person know that no matter how horrifying the experience, it’s an acceptable price to pay. If are you indeed the courageous warrior you present yourself as.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
219. If you're asking that question then you're really not paying attention.
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:18 PM
May 2018

Take a wild guess as to why Tamir Rice might be relevant. iIm guessing you can figure it out.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
224. LOL! Again, it's not. As I know you must be aware of this, I must wonder what your intent to...
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:38 PM
May 2018

Insist otherwise is? Am I to draw the same conclusion on you as with the other poster?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
226. You openly admit you understand how it's relevant
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:42 PM
May 2018

but that you're not going to admit that it is, and then you go on to try and say it's not relevant.

And you say I should question my intelligence?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
231. Question away.
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:59 PM
May 2018

It changes nothing about how you repeatedly dodge the question. In fact at this point you're pretty much running circles around it.

MaryMagdaline

(6,922 posts)
138. Doxxing is one method where black people don't get killed
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:19 PM
May 2018

It's a valuable and warranted defense mechanism to fight white supremacy.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
186. The neo-Nazis engage in doxxing as well. To suggest that only culpable persons can be harmed by...
Fri May 11, 2018, 07:22 AM
May 2018

It is absurd.

MaryMagdaline

(6,922 posts)
189. I'm suggesting no such thing
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:10 AM
May 2018

I am suggesting that it is a valuable weapon and black people do not need to unilaterally disarm.

Calling the police with false reports is a public act which violates the civil rights of innocent people. If the police are not issuing citations for false reporting, doxxing is an appropriate response.

Innocent people are harmed by all sorts of things. Does not mean we cannot use a successful tactic against bad people.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
191. Oh, so you're okay with collateral damage on innocent people. What does that say about your...
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:21 AM
May 2018

Character?

MaryMagdaline

(6,922 posts)
192. It says that I'm sick to hell of people violating civil rights of others
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:35 AM
May 2018

I'm a Democrat, not a passivist. Black people brought about civil rights revolution by engaging in brilliant, tactical, disciplined non-violent social and legal strategy. I don't need to question their right to expose racists and I don't need to micromanage their ability to fight a moral, nonviolent battle against white supremacy. So far, they've done well without my input.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
193. Democrats enthusiastically support a tactic widely...
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:41 AM
May 2018

Regarded as dangerous and unethical? A practice which has demonstrably harmed innocent persons? A Congressional Democrat has sponsored a bill which would effectively render doxxing illegal, is she not a proper Democrat?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
223. We lock criminals up in prison
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:36 PM
May 2018

Sometimes, we make mistakes and put the wrong person in there. It doesn't mean we stop putting criminals in prison. It means we strive to make a better system for doing so so that incidents like that are kept to a minimum. Are you going to go around and demand we demolish all prisons because of the danger of collateral and say no one should ever be arrested again because sometimes people are unjustly arrested??

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
232. Weak ass argument. There is no formal system in place that regulates the practice of doxxing that
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:10 PM
May 2018

Would be comparable to the code of law. It’s vigilantism. Your argument could be used to justify lynching. If they get right person most of the time, it might just be worth it.

Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #223)

brush

(55,123 posts)
126. What was low-life was Sarah Braasch siccing cops on black people...
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:02 PM
May 2018

again. That's right, if you followed the story you know this was no mistake. Brasssch called the cops before on a black Yale student in that dorm.

Time to break the habit of these closet, white racists calling the cops on innocent black people becaus their presence makes them feel "uncomfortable".

What, no mention of the racism by you?

Come on, we're on DU, allegedly all progressives.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
210. LOL! Transparent pretending is transparent. Save the "who me???" act for someone incapable of...
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:52 PM
May 2018

Recognizing what you are attempting.

NutmegYankee

(16,266 posts)
155. How would you overcome the First Amendment to criminalize it?
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:19 PM
May 2018

Posting someone’s name is completely protected speech.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
190. I don't hold a JD degree, but I can't imagine that would be impossible considering the intent and...
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:13 AM
May 2018

Knowledge of the potentiality of illegal consequences. I believe the Online Safety Modernization Act of 2017 addresses this issue.

NutmegYankee

(16,266 posts)
247. It's easy to overcome that bill.
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:59 PM
May 2018

The person just has to say they didn’t intend it for harassment, or threatening and only to make others aware of the person for their own protection.

In other words, the intent part is extremely hard to prove in court. But cops would love to abuse it to silence those who call out racists. It’s a handy tool of oppression. Thankfully the ACLU would destroy it quickly in court.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
251. You may be right. On the other hand, if it can be proven the doxxer was aware of the potentiality...
Sat May 12, 2018, 12:18 AM
May 2018

Of harassment, harm, etc. to the target, I wonder if that would be sufficient to secure a conviction. At any rate, I’d like to see doxxers relentlessly pursued and subjected to the tender mercies of the Federal criminal justice system. Even if conviction were to be rare, runnig enough of them through that painful and protracted process may serve as a deterrent to doxxers of all political affiliations.


NutmegYankee

(16,266 posts)
253. That very scenario would make the law unconstitutional.
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:27 AM
May 2018

Courts look specifically to strike down vague and overly broad laws. When it comes to an enumerated right, like speech, the compelling governmental interest must be specific and clear and the law narrowly tailored to address that need.

This leads to another interesting discussion - what under the law is personally identifiable info.
I mean, if it’s name, address, and phone number, then any phone book publisher should get the death penalty or something. But in a serious note, this is already public info and preventing someone from pointing it out is flat out unconstitutional. This law might have a chilling effect on otherwise normal behavior like identifying people in yearbook photos or in old photos taken of public events, which again, is death (strike down) in the courts.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
264. All good points, and philosophically I agree. However, having been on the receiving end of vicious,
Sat May 12, 2018, 12:53 PM
May 2018

Prolonged harassment spanning several states which required law enforcement intervention, I’m fairly prickly about casual attitudes towards the availability of personal info in the public sphere. Having experienced considerable mental strain in the process, I’ve adopted a lock-it-all-down attitude. I know you’re right of course, but unfortunately I exist in a state of mind where I trust no one (outside my immediate family) with ANY personal info.

NutmegYankee

(16,266 posts)
266. I do understand your valid concerns with our data everywhere modern world.
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:06 PM
May 2018

It's getting hard to drop off the grid is you want to. I've helped family friends escape abusive spouses/boyfriends and it's hard to hide their location with the endless array of systems everywhere seeking to collect info. One abuser asked the front desk of a grocery store to replace a store card his girlfriend "lost". They happily confirmed the address with him, causing her even more terror now that he had found her location.

And of course our treatment of this issue is very situational:
About 6 years ago I remember an incident that demonstrated this situational approval (or blatant hypocrisy) of doxing. A newspaper in New York published a google map of everyone who had a pistol permit in two counties. The map resulted in exposing department of corrections employees addresses as well as dozens of women who were escaping domestic abusers. Here on DU many people reacted to this doxing with delight. When one of those doxed responded by doxing the staff of the newspaper in retaliation, those same people were angry. But the actions were the same.