Morning Joe implicates vice president in Mueller probe:

[deminks]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/morning-joe-implicates-vice-president-mueller-probe-mike-pence-want-kill-investigation/

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough implicated Vice President Mike Pence in the coverup of potential Russia collusion by the Trump campaign.

The vice president told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell that special counsel Robert Mueller should end his yearlong investigation into President Donald Trump and his associates that has resulted in five guilty pleas and 19 indictments.

“Our administration has been fully cooperating with the special counsel, and we’ll continue to,” Pence told Mitchell. “What I think is that it’s been about a year since this investigation began. Our administration has provided more than a million documents. We’ve fully cooperated in it, and in the interest of the country, I think it’s time to wrap it up.”

“I would very respectfully encourage the special counsel and his team to bring their work to completion,” the vice president added.

The “Morning Joe” host said Pence’s comments raised serious questions about his own potential legal jeopardy in the probe.

“I think it is a fair time to start asking this question: What did Mike Pence know and when did he know it?” Scarborough said. “Mike Pence is an honorable man, Mike Pence says that Gen. (Michael) Flynn lied to him. Really? Did he? Is this the way Mike Pence wants this investigation to begin and then end prematurely before we get the truth to all the questions?”

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Funny that Mueller has not interviewed Pence to my knowledge.

[ffr]

1. Loyalty to party over country. That's what a traitorous republican is.

Pence has his own set of legal & criminal issues he doesn't want discovered.

Time to put some heat on our elected representatives to make that choice too. Which is it, loyalty or country?

[peggysue2]

2. Yup, Scarborough went there referring to Pence as a . . .

Spiro Agnew replicant. Then George Will's Op-Ed in WAPO eviscerated Pence for his hypocrisy and obsequiousness on all things Trumpster.

Getting ugly out there. What's a poor Born Again to do?

[Iliyah]

3. Ya think they would be on his Pence's side.

Pence is an evangelist to the fullest. There's something else afoot here.

[lapfog_1]

26. yes, but how many of the "true believers" turn out to be money grubbing hypocrits?

"I have sinned against you, my lord!" Swaggart...

And Jim Bakker... and so many others.

Add Pence to the pile of fake evangelists.

[Cracklin Charlie]

30. Did he shed any tears?

That’s usually at the end stage of the scandal, but we haven’t even gotten to Mikey yet.

I have a feeling it’s gonna get a LOT uglier. Keep your head down, peggysue.

[Cha]

38. lol.. "what's a poor born again to do?"

Like they always do.. support the biggest perverts on the Planet.

peggysue

[NeoGreen]

4. Someone with the proper skills...

...should take the GIF on the bottom of your page and superimpose Mueller's face over Snape's.

Just sayin'.

[PearliePoo2]

5. Scar has suggested twice before on his show that he isn't buying any Pence bullshit.

On previous shows Scar said: "Mike Pence SAYS he was lied to. He SAYS because he was lied to, that's why Flynn was fired.'
Joe put much emphasis on the word "SAYS". So today, he's openly questioning his story. GOOD!

[Cha]

39. I'm not buying what pence is selling, either..

and Scar knows a lot more about it than I do.

Mahlao, Pearlie

[barbtries]

6. Mike Pence is NOT an honorable man. nt

[LiberalLovinLug]

9. He's a self-professed born again fundie Christian who calls his wife "mother"

And yet he agreed to run and serve under a liar, an adulterer, a women abuser, a cheat, a racist, a pervert, and someone that claimed he didn't need forgiveness from God.

Sure, he's "honorable".

[mr_lebowski]

27. My grandpa, the sweetest man that ever lived called my grandma 'mom' or 'mama'

Very regularly, esp. when referring to her indirectly. And my grandma referred to him as 'dad' or 'daddy' as well.

It's not imho strange for married couples to start referring to each other that way after years and years of saying 'go ask your mom' and that sort of thing when speaking to the kids. Eventually it just kinda becomes 'their name'.

Just sayin' ... pretty low on my list of 'why I can't stand Pence', put it like that

[RestoreAmerica2020]

7. So Scarborough states Pence is an honorable man, then questions his ethics. Which is it joe?

[ashtonelijah]

8. I think Joe was using "Mike Pence is an honorable man" in the sense of "Brutus is an honorable man"

In Julius Caesar, Brutus tries to depict his murder of Caesar as a noble act done out of love for country – placing himself on a pedestal as if he only had honorable intentions. Mike Pence always tries to put himself on a similar pedestal.

When Marc Antony speaks to the crowd, he describes Brutus’ crimes and always follows up with “But Brutus is an honorable man.” He uses the “honorable man” line to enrage the crowd and inspire mutiny that ultimately leads to Brutus’ death.

This is the speech:

The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest–
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men–
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

[renate]

14. I wish I had the kind of brain that could go from Morning Joe to Shakespeare!

Well done!

[RestoreAmerica2020]

20. Perhaps...Et tu brute? Scarborough is a typical right wing republican, will cover for all

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...things repub, yet he poses as a 'reformed repub and or never trumper, and or newly converted independent aka repub,' as we've seen gop and political pundits take same stance, Yet, are they really never trumpers?

For years Scarborough that lauded his buddy trumpf....now suddenly he's anti- trumpf, quasi anti-repub? Nah just don't buy it --given that his daily comment smacks of republican so called values and policies that target non-white, non-christians, lgbt, immigrants and refugees, women. Scarborough's morning program is an extension of Fox news with a smattering of subtle racial bias, bigoted undertones that appeals to republican base. Of course, that's my opinion.

As for Scarborough referencing Cesar, perhaps --is Pence the loyal Brutus who stands for love of country at all cost. or is he the coniving opportunist we find in marc antony...yet both conspired to kill Julius..as you know, Brutus and Senators stab him to death ..shocked at his disloyal friend, Ceasar says to Brutus, you too? Et tu brute? I see Pence as a coward, lacking integrity a man who stands for nothing, like his boss. "A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."

[DownriverDem]

10. Have kept pence hiding

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pence has been hiding so that he can take over. I bet there's more there and I hope it comes out.

[Uncle Joe]

11. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, deminks

[pecosbob]

12. How many indictments, now?

[C Moon]

13. The GOP is not American. The GOP is dedicated only to money and power--however they can get it.

The GOP is currently the party of traitors.
They are doing NOTHING to stop Russia from interfering with the U.S. elections. And appear to actually be helping Russia to interfere.

[NewJeffCT]

15. If Pence has not been questioned yet

is it possible that he is a target as well as Trump, Stone, Kushner and the Trump boys?

[TalenaGor]

16. I think Pence is looking forward to being president

he knows when Meuller 'wraps it up' he will be....

[Hekate]

17. YES! yesyesyesyes Please get Pence

[sandensea]

19. +1

The worst thing that could happen, is to have Cheeto impeached or resign - but be left with Dense Pence.

He's just as complicit in Trussiagate (hand-picked by Putin), and even more extreme.

[sandensea]

18. I'll say. He was hand-picked by Putin himself.

Pence's brother Ed is a Russian asset, through his ties to the Russian machinery giant Kamaz.

[BigmanPigman]

21. I knew that and when I heard that a Pence brother just won a political seat

I googled him to see if it is the same sibling but it is a different one (apparently he has 5 or 6).

[sandensea]

23. I'm sure they toast with a lot of VODKA in that family.

They owe Uncle Vlad so much.

[Ligyron]

22. I think they all find common cause in white supremacy informed by religion.

To them, this transcends country.

[sandensea]

24. Absolutely. That as well.

They're using Putin, just as he's using them.

[dmr]

28. I think so, too.

Remember he was in on Manafort's ruse. When Manafort told Trump his airplane needed to be serviced overnight ... that was to convince Trump to choose Pence as his running mate.

Pence (and Mother) were ready and waiting for the "impromotu" meet up, and I think breakfast the next morning. Yeah, I believe he was hand picked. He came out of nowhere, just as Manafort came out of nowhere.

At the time, Pence, was trying for a second term as Indiana's governor. But he was intensely disliked, and pretty much unelectable.

His bad baggage was a perk up from Trump's rotten baggage, so he became somewhat of an asset in the race. Makes me, literally, sick.

Now, supposedly, he's seen as a God fearing, salt of the earth, honorable man.

I can't stand to even think about this pious asshole.

It troubles me that no one bothers to investigate Pence. If they have, I haven't heard anything.

It's painful to know that every time we turn around there's a Russian lurking in the shadows, and the balance of powers (Congress) do nothing -- except to demonize and de-legitamize those (DOJ, FBI, journalists) who are trying to protect us from this gutter government.

At least with George W, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, I knew we'd be able to regroup and be okay once they left office. These days, however, I've lost that optimism. That breaks my heart.

[sandensea]

29. What I'd like to know is:

Where the HELL are our intelligence agencies?

I mean, we give them the power to know what color underwear we're wearing - but they can't do anything about a Russian (and possibly Isreali) takeover of the White House!?!

Our country needs you gentlemen, now more than ever.

[Duppers]

31. 👍

The FBI are already currently being accused of framing Trump.


You're right. The press and intelligence agencies had dirt on Trump during the campaign that wasn't released. Could the case possibly be that they were as surprised as we were that the psychopathic son of a bitch was elected?

[sandensea]

33. If this took them by surprise, they need new advisers - pronto.

I've often read that what really bogs down the intelligence community, is the thousands of entrenched Cold War dinosaurs whose opinions basically determine their agencies' course of action.

The problem there is that a lot of them still have a left-right obsession that effectively acts as blinders against today's far more nuanced threats - such as flag-waving, easily-bribed moles in high places.

[Duppers]

34. But wouldn't those "Cold War dinosaurs"

Be the very ones who are most suspicious of the Russians??

[sandensea]

35. That's what's so amazing about this nonchalant reaction of theirs.

My understanding, such at it is, is that there are so many partisan Republicans in the CIA and ONI especially (and some of the other agencies as well), that they have an almost default reaction of friendly permissiveness toward GOP corruption - but feel deep suspicion, alarm, and even hostility toward any Democrat making even small waves (as Jimmy Carter could attest to - but of course wouldn't).

Republicans were clever to hijack the intelligence agencies in the early (Eisenhower) years, during which anyone seen as "soft" (i.e. Democrats or non-partisan) were basically pushed out by Dulles.

They had two more such purges during the Reagan and Dubya years, you'll recall. I don't think they've still recovered.

They would have never allowed such a character into the White House otherwise, I'm sure.

[Duppers]

36. Very good points and you've condensed...

The major one:
"

...default reaction of friendly permissiveness toward GOP corruption - but feel deep suspicion, alarm, and even hostility toward any Democrat making even small waves..."

[neohippie]

25. Wasn't it Manafort that wanted Pence as VP pick

Why would Manafort insist that Trump choose Pence as his Vice President?

http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412


And

https://www.thenation.com/article/manafort-monday-turns-into-a-very-bad-day-for-trump-and-mike-pence/

But the Manafort-Pence connection ought not be underestimated. Indeed, when CNN reported in December that Manafort had“reemerged as a player in the fight to shape the new administration,” the network explained that “with Pence firmly entrenched in Trump’s inner circle…Manafort—who keeps a home in Trump Tower—has a direct line to top decision-makers.”

Pence ran the transition team, which populated the Trump administration with scandalous figures who have been accused of serious wrongdoing, including ousted White House national-security adviser Mike Flynn. After Flynn exited the administration under a cloud, Pence adopted his own “I-know-nothing” stance. But then it was revealed that Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, had informed Pence in a November 18, 2016, letter that he was concerned about ethical issues that could arise from “Lt. Gen. Flynn’s involvement in advising Mr. Trump on matters relating to Turkey or Russia—including attending classified briefings on those matters…”

Cummings said Pence and the transition team had “17 or 20 red lights” regarding Flynn, yet Flynn got security post.

There is a fantasy that suggests that Mike Pence is a mere spectator—and an ignorant one, at that—when it comes to the scandals associated with the Trump campaign, the Trump transition, and the Trump administration. That has never been true. Pence has often been at or near the center of things. And, as attention turns toward Manafort, it must also turn toward Pence.

[Duppers]

32. +100

For months this is what I've been telling people who take the "but-Trump-is-not-as-bad-as-Pence-would-be" stance.

Pence should also go down! Does the Republican Party even have a bottom?!

[Cha]

37. mike pence is not an honorable man and he

wants the investigation to end before it takes all the Russian mole, sewerats down.. including him.