'Cause I've seen regulation, and this ain't it.

[mac56]

[Hoyt]

1. As long as our government feels it must coddle the racist, gun-stroking militia, never.

[ProfessorGAC]

3. That Guy Front And Center. . .

. . .looks to be carrying enough ammunition to start WWIII.

Must really be afraid of something!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

7. Here's yer parade, Mr. Trump:

[Hoyt]

9. LMAO. Yep, it would be a lot cheaper than the parade he's planning -- couple of buckets of chicken,

cigarettes, beer, and red hats for everyone.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

19. "Pass these out to the boys in lieu of pay"

[mac56]

15. They like to stroke and finger long hard things until they discharge.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

26. I think this guy was in the parade as well

[BSdetect]

2. Where's them doughnut shops?

[lapfog_1]

4. The National Guard is well regulated

and is led by professional military... under the command of the state governors.

Perhaps they should be the only ones to have actual, you know, military grade weapons?

[hack89]

5. 2A has nothing to do with the militia

at least according to the law, custom, the Democratic party, President Obama and both Bernie and Hillary.

And even so, the 2A allows strict regulation of guns. Go read Heller. AWBs, UBCs, registration, licensing, training requirements, magazine size limits all perfectly legal and constitutional.

Gun control's problem is lack of broad and deep public support, not the 2A.

[Hoyt]

6. Well, the NRA's interpretation of Heller is not exactly correct. AWBs are fine under Heller, even

old Tony Scalia said so.

The "militia" is part of the 2nd Amendment, especially if you don't subscribe to the NRA and white wing American gun-fanciers' interpretation of the Amendment.

Personally, I'll take the 4 Justices' Dissent, and precedent up to Heller, to the the 5 right winger Majority in the Court's suck up to white wing America and the NRA.

[hack89]

8. Heller is the only definition that matters

correct?

What is this fixation on the 2A? What laws do you want that Heller prevents?

[Hoyt]

10. Nope. Now, if we needed a green light for more gun control, it is quite helpful.

[hack89]

12. So what laws do you want that Heller prevents?

simple question.

[Hoyt]

21. AWB, severe restrictions on public toting, registration, psychological evaluations,

remove restrictions on studying gun violence, remove stand your ground laws, restrictions on number of weapons one can own, magazine restrictions, restrictions on semi-auto pistols, allow manufacturers and dealers to be sued beyond malfunction of their weapons, participation in racist organizations like 3%ers is enough to deny gun ownership beyond varmit rifles, ammo regulation, background check through FFL, on every transfer, safe gun designs that prevent unauthorized use, etc.

Simple answer.

How will those impact your guns?

[hack89]

28. Heller allows all of those.

most are pure fantasy that will never pass but it won't be because of Heller.

Haven't you noticed that many states have AWBs, registration, UBCs?

[aikoaiko]

23. That's not exactly what Scalia said, but it is possible given what Scalia said.

[Hoyt]

24. He said reasonable gun restrictions are fine, if you pro-gunners want to be picky.

[aikoaiko]

25. The law is a picky thing. The debate is about what is reasonable, effective, and needed.

And debate we do.

[mac56]

11. "Preventing mass slaughter's problem is lack of broad and deep public support, not the 2A."

There. Fixed it for you.

[hack89]

13. So you agree that the 2A is not the obstacle?

good.

[mac56]

14. The amendment itself? Probably not.

The current interpretation of the amendment? Damn skippy it's the obstacle.

[hack89]

16. What law do you want that Heller prevents? Nt

[mac56]

17. Why are you so possessed with Heller?

[hack89]

18. "The current interpretation of the amendment"

your words.

Heller is the current interpretation of the 2A. So what gun control laws do you want that Heller prevents from becoming law?

[mac56]

20. Well, I for one don't live and breathe boom boom sticks.

So I'll have to do some research, professor.

[Hoyt]

22. [phone]

[hack89]

27. Why are gun control advocates so uniformly ignorant of gun laws?

honest question. It is almost like you take pride in not knowing the details of a subject you say is critically important for America.

[Decoy of Fenris]

29. Generalizing, they're cut from the same cloth as anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers.

They rely on emotional but otherwise meaningless arguments that tend to bypass technical or manufacturing details. In doing so, they pass off the responsibility of critical thinking to those who -do- know better. The problem they run into is that the more you understand what you're talking about, the less likely you are to support their argument.

In an interesting twist, their situation can be summed up in three little words:

Ignorance is strength.

[mac56]

30. I'm guessing it's because we have lives.

We don't have a copy of the Heller decision under our pillow, all moist from kisses.

I'd call you "gun nerds," but I have too much respect for REAL nerds.

[Decoy of Fenris]

31. Then leave the advocacy for legislation to those who understand it.

We don't allow garbagemen to design jet engines, nor do we allow grade-schoolers to construct skyscrapers, for good reason.

Ignorance is never an excuse for mediocrity in legislation or governance (or most other things, now that I think about it.)

[hack89]

32. So saving lives is not worth any of your precious time?

Isn't that what gun control is all about? How does that work - you provide the moral outrage and someone else does the intellectual heavy lifting?

[Decoy of Fenris]

33. "If it saves one life and I don't have to do anything." Got it in one. n/t

[mac56]

34. Good God, get over yourselves.

It's your fucking hobby. Like collecting toxic postage stamps.

[hack89]

35. You are the one who brought mass murder into the conversation

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If gun control is nothing more to you than a chance for snappy one liners then perhaps you should stay away from serious discussions. Serious issues are solved by serious people. You are clearly not serious.

Ignorance in a good cause is still ignorance.