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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:51 PM May 2018

Isn't almost every single Senator on record as approving Jerusalem...

As not only the capital of Israel, but that it should also be where our embassy is at?

I'm seeing some politicians rail against Trumps move here when it seems to me they supported it just a short year ago.

Here is a portion of the text from the summary of S Res 176 which passed last year.

"Reaffirms the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 as U.S. law, and calls upon the President and all U.S. officials to abide by its provisions."

Here is the full summary.

Passed Senate without amendment (06/05/2017)
(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

Recognizes the 50th anniversary of Jerusalem's reunification and extends the Senate's friendship and hopes for peace to Jerusalem's residents and Israel's people.

Reaffirms support for Israel's commitment to religious freedom and administration of holy sites in Jerusalem.

Supports strengthening the mutually beneficial American-Israeli relationship.

Commends Egypt and Jordan, former combatant states of the Six Day War, for embracing a vision of peace and coexistence with Israel and continuing to uphold their respective peace agreements.

Reaffirms: (1) that it is long-standing U.S. bipartisan policy that the permanent status of Jerusalem remains a matter to be decided between the parties through final status negotiations towards a two-state solution; and (2) the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 as U.S. law, and calls upon the President and all U.S. officials to abide by its provisions.


And the Yeah votes

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Baldwin (D-WI), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Bennet (D-CO), Not Voting
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Yea
Booker (D-NJ), Not Voting
Boozman (R-AR), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Capito (R-WV), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Cassidy (R-LA), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Cortez Masto (D-NV), Yea
Cotton (R-AR), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Cruz (R-TX), Yea
Daines (R-MT), Yea
Donnelly (D-IN), Yea
Duckworth (D-IL), Not Voting
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Ernst (R-IA), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fischer (R-NE), Yea
Flake (R-AZ), Not Voting
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gardner (R-CO), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Harris (D-CA), Yea
Hassan (D-NH), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Heinrich (D-NM), Yea
Heitkamp (D-ND), Yea
Heller (R-NV), Yea
Hirono (D-HI), Yea
Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Yea
Kaine (D-VA), Yea
Kennedy (R-LA), Yea
King (I-ME), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Lankford (R-OK), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Yea
Manchin (D-WV), Yea
Markey (D-MA), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Not Voting
Merkley (D-OR), Not Voting
Moran (R-KS), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Not Voting
Murphy (D-CT), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Paul (R-KY), Yea
Perdue (R-GA), Yea
Peters (D-MI), Yea
Portman (R-OH), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rounds (R-SD), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Sasse (R-NE), Yea
Schatz (D-HI), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Scott (R-SC), Yea
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Strange (R-AL), Yea
Sullivan (R-AK), Not Voting
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tillis (R-NC), Not Voting
Toomey (R-PA), Not Voting
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Van Hollen (D-MD), Yea
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Warren (D-MA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Young (R-IN), Yea

Ten Senators did not vote.

Bennet (D-CO)
Booker (D-NJ)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Flake (R-AZ)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Sullivan (R-AK)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-resolution/176 <- Quoted info above and vote can be found at this link.



This is the first sentence in the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995.

To provide for the relocation of the United States Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and for other purposes.


https://www.congress.gov/104/plaws/publ45/PLAW-104publ45.pdf

Here is more info about the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/senate-bill/1322

I understand I'm missing something. It just seems straight forward.




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louis c

(8,652 posts)
1. Jerulsalem being the capital is not the point
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:59 PM
May 2018

The point is when. As part of a deal for a two state solution, West Jerusalem being the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem being the capital of Palestine is the last piece of the peace puzzle.

But putting it up front, there is little, if any incentive for Israel to move toward resolution.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. My main question was clearly about the embassy.
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:01 PM
May 2018

I do not see where the solution had to come before the moving of the embassy in these pieces of legislation.

former9thward

(32,146 posts)
6. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and has been since day one.
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:17 PM
May 2018

The "when" is clearly never going to happen. The Palestinians were offered everything they wanted in the 2000 negotiations with Clinton and still Arafat found a way to demand more and say No. Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump all said they would move the embassy to Jerusalem while running for office. Senators voted 90-0 to do so. To criticize politicians for keeping their promises seems the ultimate in cynicism.

tavernier

(12,416 posts)
12. Thanks - it is all very complicated,
Mon May 14, 2018, 05:09 PM
May 2018

and I appreciate the explanation. I figured it wasn’t as cut and dried as a whole roster of yes votes, since that’s where it all stopped.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
13. The Palestinians could do what the Israelis did.
Mon May 14, 2018, 06:59 PM
May 2018

Most of Jerusalem was under Arab control and ethnically cleansed; the Jordanians welched on the armistice agreement and didn't allow Jews in to visit holy sites; Jewish property was confiscated and turned over to Arabs.

And the Israelis declared the western suburbs not under Jordanian control, not ethnically cleansed, to be their capital.

It's been suggested that the PA move its headquarters from Ramallah south to the outskirts of Jerusalem, as the Israelis did previously. Instead the assumption is that they get the old part of the city, the "real" Jerusalem with the holy sites of their choice.

If both have their capitals on the outskirts of the city, then the city is reduced from the political hot potato to the religious and iconic excuse of supremacy that it is. That kind of politics is likely to be more widely rejected, of course, which is one reason that the utterly humiliating "we can't get what we want so we'll sit in the mud and daub ourselves with decorative cow pies" is so alluring.

unblock

(52,494 posts)
2. i think it was "good politics" to call for the move to jerusalem when every president had the wisdom
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:00 PM
May 2018

to not actually do it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. As unblock said
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:06 PM
May 2018

Throwing an Obamacare repeal bill around was pretty simple when they knew Obama wasn't going to sign it. Then, when they got Trump, they couldn't get it done.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. How many times did the house and Senate successfully vote to repeal...
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:12 PM
May 2018

The ACA before Trump took office?

IOW, how many times did it make it to Obama’s desk?

Faulty analogy.

This was written after passage of what’s listed in the op.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/gop-health-care-bill-repeal-and-replace-70-failed-attempts-643832%3famp=1

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. Why did so many Democrats vote in favor of this?
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:40 PM
May 2018

Was their ever any question that this move would just create more turmoil? I'm not sure I understand the reasons for this move other than to please Netanyahu, hard-right politicians in the US and Israel, nut-job evangelicals and to stick it to the Palestinians? Is there something I am missing?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. I don't see anything you are missing.
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:45 PM
May 2018

I read a lot of information before posting this and could not come up with a reason outside of what you outlined.

I'm all about party but I don't get those on this list who are now out there railing against it.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
18. The Israel lobby in the US (ie. AIPAC, etc) is both bi-partisan
Mon May 14, 2018, 08:35 PM
May 2018

and extraordinarily powerful. Most politicians are terrified of crossing swords with them.

mcar

(42,467 posts)
11. They are for it, as the vote shows
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:47 PM
May 2018

Most wanted Dotard to continue the long practice of putting the move off. The death toll today is the reason why.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
14. It seems really simple. It was a matter of diplomacy
Mon May 14, 2018, 07:15 PM
May 2018

Support the bill to keep Israel happy, but put it off every six months for two decades so as not to piss off Palestine. Dumbshit Fuckwad came along and upset the equilibrium. Now there is chaos and killing. Thus proving once and for all that you don't let someone whose idea of "diplomacy" is throwing a tantrum on Twitter call the shots when it comes to Middle East diplomacy. SMH

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. "to appease Palestine."
Mon May 14, 2018, 07:31 PM
May 2018

Nothing about that aspect was to please Palestine. It pleased them to hear it about as much as it pleases them it happened. Looking at that aspect, it is instigation.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
17. I agree with you
Mon May 14, 2018, 07:38 PM
May 2018

I changed the wording a little, but there really is no way to put it delicately.

This just goes to show we have been wrong for a long, long time. And on that point, we are in complete agreement.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. Thanks for following up.
Mon May 14, 2018, 08:45 PM
May 2018

The depths of the complicity for a long time is there for anyone to see. Many of these things don’t even register in our news while they are used as propoganda in their region.

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