Which do you believe?

[Uncle Joe]

I'm heading back to work but will return later today.

Peace to you all

Joe

8 votes, 3 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	On balance humans have more good in them than bad
	7 (88%)
	On balance humans have more bad in them than good
	1 (13%)
	3 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[NRaleighLiberal]

1. Way too complex to be a two choice response.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Can be no peace as long as fascists are in control and the only party that can oppose

the fascists are not united.

UNITE 100% behind the LEADERS of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY or perish.

[MineralMan]

3. Not a binary question at all.

Which humans?

[Uncle Joe]

15. All of humanity

[Decoy of Fenris]

4. Morality is arbitrarily assigned by a society. "Good" and "Bad" are meaningless. n/t

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

12. Not all that arbitrary. Do you really think a mass murder is on par with Mother Teresa?

Good and bad aren't meaningless and if you really feel that way, then I don't understand what motivates you to be a Democrat in the first place.

[Decoy of Fenris]

13. Of course, absent a society that says otherwise.

Society dictates that Mother Theresa's acts were "good". In a (fake) society where pain, suffering and death are considered either sacrosanct or otherwise desirable, she'd be considered a monster, possibly on par with our Hitler. She'd be as "evil" to that society as she was "good" to ours.

Were the Aztecs "Evil" to other Aztecs for their routine sacrifices? Were cannibal societies "evil" for their murder and cannibalism in their own society? To make it more contemporary, do the Taliban/ISIS see themselves as "Evil" for their suicide bombers and wholesale mass slaughters? Morality only goes as far as society remains capable of enforcing it, and a sudden shift in society can change "Good" and "Evil" in a heartbeat.


My motivations in regards to being a Democrat are simple, the same as anyone; greed. I want to see science advance and to see mankind spread through the stars like a plague. Conservative views and ideology are fairly at odds with that, so I align myself with the Democratic party until such a time that it fails to support my agenda or a more suitable alternative replaces them.

[Uncle Joe]

16. That's not "greed" Decoy of Fenris you won't be around to

reap the benefits should humankind spread through the stars.

Perhaps it's something else?

[Decoy of Fenris]

17. Of course it's greed. It's a personal desire. "I want" is about as close to greed as you can get.

The personal benefits (or drawbacks) are irrelevant, so long as the deed is done. If I, or my children, or my children's children never take to the stars, but -their- children do, then that is satisfactory.

And it's not "Greed" on a biological or material level necessarily, but a desire to see humanity succeed on a far grander scale than myself or anyone alive today. Man as an animal needs to propagate to survive; we have only two viable options. Either we curtail said propagation (in which case we end up crowded out or exterminated by a species that doesn't share the same compunction) or we embrace it, burn this rock and in the process, spread far beyond both this planet and solar system.

I suppose in a way it may be called biological imperative, but that's less to do with biology and more an understanding of the savagery of nature, I think.

[Uncle Joe]

18. No matter

how you label it that's thinking of others.

[zipplewrath]

5. Our own definition

Good and Bad are concepts created by humans so I'm fairly sure that in that case we would come out on the plus side.

[Odoreida]

6. Pass. From my persective it is not even a meaningful question. n/t

[maveric]

7. 50/50

Like it’s always been.

[IronLionZion]

8. Who decides what's good and bad?

For example, Trump probably believes he's good

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

10. We do for this particular polling.

Use your own judgement

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

9. More good people than bad, but we are disproportionately represented by the bad ones

In government and industry.

[Hamlette]

11. Classic liberal vs conservative argument

[el_bryanto]

14. Sometimes I believe the one and sometimes the other. nt