Hamas official: 50 of the 62 Gazans killed in border violence were our members

[Mosby]

A Hamas official on Wednesday acknowledged that 50 of the 62 Palestinians reported killed during Gaza border riots on Monday and Tuesday were members of the Islamist terrorist group, bringing the total number of known members of terror groups among the fatalities up to 53.

“In the last rounds of confrontations, if 62 people were martyred, 50 of them were Hamas,” said Hamas official Salah Bardawil in a television interview.

The Iran-backed Palestinian Islamic Jihad had said on Tuesday that three members of its Saraya al-Quds military wing were killed by Israeli forces in Khan Younis.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-50-of-the-people-killed-in-gaza-riots-were-members/

[Squinch]

1. As reported by the country that did the shooting.

[Mosby]

2. as reported by a HAMAS OFFICIAL

The Israelis put the number lower:

The Israel Defense Forces on Tuesday had said that at least 24 members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad were killed in day-long clashes Monday.

[oberliner]

3. Associated Press

JERUSALEM — The Latest on the Israel-Palestinian conflict (all times local):

6:10 p.m.

A senior Hamas official says the vast majority of protesters killed by Israeli fire during protests on the Gaza border this week were members of the Islamic militant group.

Salah Bardawil says 50 of the nearly 60 protesters killed by Israeli fire were members of the group that rules the Gaza Strip. He spoke in an interview Wednesday to Baladna TV, a private Palestinian news outlet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-latest-israeli-military-sends-aid-to-gaza/2018/05/15/745fb82a-58a2-11e8-9889-07bcc1327f4b_story.html?utm_term=.6f62cc4b89ba

You can watch the video on Baladna TV and hear it yourself if you understand Arabic.

[leftynyc]

5. You wont even believe hamas

when it's coming from one of their own officials. That's pathetic.

[B2G]

12. Lol. Whoops. nt

[leftynyc]

15. You find humor in this? (n/t)

[B2G]

16. I find humor in blind, willful denial of the facts.

Which is in abundance on DU regarding Hamas and their terrorism.

[LanternWaste]

19. Which is then often rationalized by using the phrase...

"I find humor in blind, willful denial of the facts...."

Which is then often rationalized by using the phrase "I googled it. But couldn't find anything. lol."

[Orsino]

4. Any numbers on how many of these were armed?

How many were Dawah?
How many had ever committed violence?

No-angeling is not likely to sway me without more details.

[leftynyc]

6. By all means

give the benefit of the doubt to the terrorists.

[Orsino]

7. As opposed to giving the death penalty to the innocent and possibly-guilty, yes. n/t

[leftynyc]

8. Your choice

I'm guessing the VAST majority of Americans will disagree with giving terrorist the benefit of the doubt.

[Orsino]

9. What is 62 minus 50? n/t

[leftynyc]

10. No idea what you're referring to

and have lost interest in conversing with someone who will believe anything that comes out of the terrorist hamas mouth. As will the vast majority of Americans when given a choice between hamas and Israel.

[Orsino]

11. The OP title. The answer is 12, by the way. Twelve people.

Even if we grant that 50 of the 62 were definitely terrorists, and not an inflated number capitalizing on martyrdom, do we grant immunity for troops that executed a dozen others? Do we accept this as "collateral damage"? Do we pretend they don't exist because their presence among the dea was inconvenient?

Someone decided that their presence among the living was even more inconvenient.

Should we lose interest?

[leftynyc]

13. Take it up with their leaders

who sent women and kids to the front lines - just like all other terrorists do.

[Orsino]

17. This is sadly all too common an excuse.

If we write off as terrorists everyone claimed by Hamas, do we hand-wave those who were not? Should we spare no thought for those among the fifty or the twelve who may have committed no act of violence?

[leftynyc]

20. I do feel sorry for the innocents

I just put the blame for their deaths where it belongs.

[Orsino]

21. Do the ones who pulled the triggers earn a share of the blame?

If these victims really were innocents, do we only blame rioters nearby?

[leftynyc]

22. No - I blame the people

who purposefully put them on the front line so they would die and the leaders would not. That's hamas' MO since forever. I guess the Israeli's could have tried stopping them with water pistols.

[Orsino]

23. The shooters are innocent, too? n/t

[leftynyc]

24. If you can prove

they deliberately targeted women and children and not terrorists, they would be criminals.

[Orsino]

25. Until that far-off time, you are presuming them innocent? n/t

[leftynyc]

26. I'm an American

Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

[Orsino]

28. Except for those you presume to have been terrorists, or they wouldn't be dead? n/t

[leftynyc]

29. Hamas who is terrorist organization

has already claimed 50 of the dead as theirs. I have zero sympathy for them. Zero. The others I have sympathy for but put the blame on those that put them on the front line. Whoever THOSE people are should be punished.

[Orsino]

30. See, I could sort of work with that.

You're acknowledging at least the possibility that some of those present didn't deserve to be killed. However, you're reflexively absolving those who killed them, and I cannot see sense in that part.

I regret this.

[leftynyc]

31. Not reflexively

Intent is everything when it comes to being responsible for a death. I think it was hamas' INTENTION to get as many dead bodies as they could. They've proven over and over again that's all they want and have even staged things for cameras. The Israeli soldiers - and I've met and spoken to many - regret the loss of life but feel they are defending their country. Those soldiers that "enjoy" this - and there are some as there are here in the US, they should be outed, drummed out of the service and even jailed.

[B2G]

14. Since you're talking math,

that can be extrapolated to at least 80% of the crowd being Hamas.

Protesting peacefully.

[Orsino]

18. Is being posthumously claimed by Hamas justification for a death penalty?

And if so, does being nearby also indeminfy the killers?

[Nanjeanne]

27. Saw interview with emergency dr volunteering

to treat the wounded today on Democracy Now. He was shot in both legs. Unfortunately the doctor who treated him on the field went back to help others and was killed. They were very obviously treating wounded. Still targeted. Don’t think either of these two brave doctors were Hamas.

His interview was very interesting. It can probably be viewed on Democracy Now website or their repeats throughout the day.