Mueller will get Trump. Only question is .."when"..not "if"

[Stuart G]

..I got to thinking about a doctor who is being charged with crimes of taking advantage of patience and the insurance companies to the tune of millions. The "feds" got him. You can see the story in Latest News Forum. The doctor who treated arthritis thought he could "get away with it" Bought a plane and drove a Rolls Royce. But the "feds".." got him. "
Mueller and his team are among the best investigators in the entire country. The team has specialties in all areas of this investigation. That team, like the team on the doctor, will get "them"...It isn't him, it is "them" Muller is not new. He and the people he consults and works with have been doing this for many years.

We are all impatient. That is how we are. This Trump is an awful crook. But Mueller and his team will get him. Why so sure? Trump doesn't seem to care about "the law." It appears that many in Trumps gang have "broken the law"...
..."Mueller and his team are experts at catching people like Trump. In all areas that Trump and his gang may have "broken the law." It will take time. One person agreeing to cooperate with Mueller accusing another for a shorter sentence. It will go up the line. It will take some time. Mueller and his team want to get the crooks. Mueller's team will get them. All of them..

[DonViejo]

1. Next month (June) at least four charges related to obstructing justice will be announced...

Effectively, Mueller will be throwing red meat into the public discussion and, while everyone is gnawing on it, the Russia investigation will continue. Several analysts have reported this while appearing on MSNBC programs; the program Hosts never picked up on the egg dropped in front of them, e.g. Chris Matthews

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Havent had time to watch lately, so I am sure you are right.

The question then is who, did they even remotely point the fingers?

[Stuart G]

3. Yes,..thank you for posting this. I had not heard or seen this. (4 charges in June)

..Mueller knows. your 5 words, "..the Russia investigation will continue..." are so important.

I believe that Mueller knows that the Trump gang have broken the law. The question is "proving beyond doubt" Beyond "all doubt." I also believe that Mueller and his team are better at uncovering crime, and charging and convicting those....who do so... than Trump and his gang are at covering up crime.

[lame54]

4. On paper...

But who will drag him out of the whitehouse

He's not leaving on his own

Nobody has explained - or is even talking about- the end game

[Stuart G]

8. We ain't there yet. The "end game" will play out on its own...

No one needs to explain, it just plays out. It happened with Nixon. It happened with many governors over the years...other elected officials who got "caught", and it will happen with Trump. Why do I think so?..Because it seems to me that Trump has broken the law...but Mueller will find out for sure....

....When it is all "exposed" it will play out..There was a guy running for president in 2007. Looked like he had a chance..but............................
..... He got caught cheating on his wife..(I forgot his name) It "Played Out" ..he ain't a public figure no more..not in the news..ain't running for nothing...gone..good-by..etc.

[lame54]

11. More denial...

Trump ain't Nixon
Trump ain't nobody but Trump
"The end game will play out on it's own" is another way to avoid talking about it
Trump is not leaving on his own volition
We are in uncharted territory and nobody is discussing what it is going to take to actually get him out of there

[pangaia]

13. THIS is what I wish people would truly wake up to ! You are absolutely 100% right.

WHO will arrest him/them?
Who will prosecute?
Who will be the presiding judge?

WHO will hang the bell around the cat's neck

I have no confidence whatsoever.

[lunasun]

28. ++++me neither . If something does happen that's good but hardly expecting it

[Kirk Lover]

34. The American People will do it. Even his own fool followers don't want Mueller fired because

I believe deep down a lot of them KNOW. It's either sooner or later but the bottom line is he shall not survive this.

[pangaia]

37. I wish I could agree with you. But I fear not.

AlthoughI hope you are right.

[Kirk Lover]

43. Don't worry.... we all can't be "optimists". I got you. Whenever I see some lamenting

I try to infuse some hope. I have slept well because I KNOW he is going down and in addition history is going to eviscerate this man. Good times are ahead.

[pangaia]

48. Thanks for letting me be a pessimist on this. I have seen too much to be otherwise.

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But we DO need optimists to balance us pessimists.

I surely hope you optimists are right.

[cynatnite]

47. This is why the Dems have to win the house...

That's the only way to get the ball rolling on ridding the WH of tRump and his cohorts.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

32. Can't we

all make a citizens arrest?

[lame54]

35. Ask the secret service

[pangaia]

14. THAT is the real issue!

Somebody will have to go in there and drag him out.


WHO?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

33. If he's breaking the law...

I'll take one for the team and make the entry and arrest.

[pangaia]

36. I'm in......

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

39. Pangaia

'we could be heroes. If just for one day.'

[pangaia]

42. Are you really on crutches, though?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

44. Yes.

I'll still go in first. That's how I got them.

[pangaia]

49. Haha, i think,....That made my day.

In that case i must go first.

Hell, I'm 74, madly in love with a 50 year old woman in Japan and don't think i stand a chance with her.
Maybee if i help save the world.....

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

51. Keep the faith.

Keep your powder dry.
We're all listening for the whistle to go over the top of the trench, be prepared.
Women seem to love heroes though. See you round.

[Thunderbeast]

22. Federal Marshalls and the Secret Service

If, and this is a big IF, 67 Senators act like Patriots and convict after impeachment, David Dennison will no longer be President. The football moves to the new President's office. I don't think his "Second Ammendment" friends can save his ass.

While the criminal process will move against other players (including possibly Pence, Ryan, McConnel) Dennison himself will be referred to the political impeachment process for accountability.

Mueller will have a tight case; Impossible to ignore. The cynical traitors that make up the GOPolitbureau may still let him skate citing the impeachment, but not conviction of Bill Clinton on his charge of lying to the FBI. Their calculus will be based on their re-election chances after joining this conspiracy.

[lame54]

23. Do you really see that happening?...

Seriously
Do you see that happening?

[bearsfootball516]

29. If he's convicted and refuses to leave on his own, yes.

[pangaia]

40. After impeachment? WHO will impeach him? Ain't going to happen.

[lame54]

41. To take him out of there...

They would have to get past the secret service
I don't think they will arrest him while he is still president

[basta]

5. I sure hope you're right

The damage he's doing on a daily basis is almost too much to comprehend we really need to get this moron out of office..

[Stuart G]

25. Yes, you are also right...this moron is "doing damage on a daily basis"& "hard to comprehend." nt.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

6. And when the indictments come down........

There will be the evidence to present a rock solid case that will result in a conviction beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The threat of a Presidential pardon for any of these criminals wil not save them against Civil or State charges.

[Stuart G]

10. I agree...."a rock sold case"... .."beyond a shadow of doubt"..tht is what is coming...

[shanny]

7. I think that is true.

What I am waiting to see is if his investigation is deep and wide enough to expose the bone-deep corruption in this country. It is not just tRump! Many / most? of the business elites are in bed with foreign interests for their own greedy reasons, particularly in tRump's case with the Russian mafia/government/oligarchs, which are synonymous terms. It seems to me the choice we face is to go the way of Russia or to revive our democratic republic, politically and economically.

This isn't just about tRump. Getting him out of office will not fix the problem. The rot has been present for decades, or we wouldn't have ended up here.

[pangaia]

50. Yup.... nt

[lapfog_1]

9. Going to have to wait until January 2019.

When the Democrats retake the House and can pass Impeachment.

Yet to be seen if the Senate will convict and remove OR if Trump would be convinced to resign... along with Pence...

[wiggs]

12. I like your optimism. But I think this matter is still an 'if.' I'm confident Mueller has the

goods, will present a rock solid case, and that it will point to criminal guilt AND impeachable offenses.

But if that happens we will be in uncharted territory. Not only will Trump bring the full power of the presidency to bear (lies from WH, pardons, instructions to DOJ, firings, etc)...but the weight of crime family oligarchs from all over the world (and the media they own) and the weight of a complicit congress (investigations of FBI, clinton, fake investigations of Trump, etc) will also contribute.

It will be a close contest...a shitshow...a crisis. Unless Trump cuts a profitable deal to leave, it will have to go through several courts and end up several times in front of SCOTUS. We may never hear of all the evidence...evidence which goes more toward the impeachable offenses territory rather than the legal. And we may never even hear of the all the sensitive legal stuff either.

Mueller will have the evidence and it will be obvious to most of the country. How it ends is questionable IMO.

[Xolodno]

15. ...and meanwhile this week....

...the US Embassy moved on an obviously timed day to cause the most trouble and make us look like shit to the rest of the world.

...Putin drove a truck full of goods over a bridge into Crimea as its "grand opening".

...Europe is trying to salvage the Iran deal.

...Mid-East is closer to all out war.

...Kim Jon Un is probably going to dangle a deal to the UN that makes US look bad again.

...the tax cuts they enacted are going to increase the deficits.

...its going to take at least a decade or more to repair the State Department and regain some clout in the world, since electing Dump proves the US and its populace can't be trusted.

Dump is gonna go alright...but sadly, he is leaving a legacy.

[kentuck]

16. I thought Mueller did not believe a sitting President could be indicted??

How else could he get him??

[byronius]

27. That's a Guliani statement, I believe.

Rudy's making that up. I don't buy it for a second. Mueller would never say such a thing to a subject's attorney.

And Rudy knows that Mueller will never publicly deny it.

Tricksters, through and through.

[OliverQ]

17. The issue is that there is no way to remove him.

One of the fatal flaws of the Founders is they made it too hard to remove a president.

[Va Lefty]

18. The Founders did not conceive of a political party complicit in the commission of Treason

That is where we are at.

[OliverQ]

19. Yup, between that and the pardon power

we're in such a difficult spot. I don't know how we're going to get rid of these people with an entire party being complicit.

[nature-lover]

26. Both need to be addressed by laws when this is finished. Can't happen again!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

31. So true.

so true. Money corrupts....absolutely...as well.

[Faux pas]

20. Kickin' for the truth!

[get the red out]

21. I sure hope you are correct

The survival of our democracy depends on it.

[malaise]

24. +1,000

Lock them up!!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

30. Gosh

I sure hope your'e right. Some exceptional friday news would be nice.

[oberliner]

38. Nothing will happen if the Republicans won't impeach him, which they won't

[Kirk Lover]

45. They will be forced to once this report and evidence is brought forth. BESIDES, it's

what they've been waiting for themselves! They fucking hate this man and this report provides them cover to rid themselves and the country....Cover which I don't think they are even gonna need because most of the American populace is going to be thoroughly disgusted.

Also maybe the Republicans won't even be IN CONTROL come report time.

[oberliner]

46. Hope you are right

Optimism can be a good thing!

[Cicada]

52. Justice Dept rules prohibit indicting the president

Mueller is a justice department employee, he must obey

[Oneironaut]

53. Sorry, but I disagree.

I do not think Mueller will "get" Trump at all, and anyone who is waiting for him to will be disappointed. There is very little chance he will try to bring actual charges against Trump. In the event that he does, there is virtually no chance Republicans will impeach him. Even if they do, there's an even smaller chance he will be removed from office.

Sorry, but imo, the cold dose of reality in this situation is that Trump will serve out his entire term with no consequences for past and future crimes. He could do virtually anything right now without any recourse. Imo, his associates (like Cohen) will not face any punishment either, as Trump will pardon them all (including, eventually, everybody who was indicted by Mueller). I'm convinced that, even if presented with obvious crimes done by Trump, Republicans would ignore them and refuse to act. They would rather have a traitor in the White House than admit a Republican did something wrong. In the present environment, holding Trump responsible for even the worst, most obvious crimes would be impossible.

The best thing we can do right now is try to retake the House and Senate. Without a blue wave in 2018, we will be virtually powerless.

[Sunlei]

54. Manafort will go down first, Mueller just took out 70 subpoenas for that trial.

Unless Manafort manages to 'fall' off a tall building or down his mansion stairs accidentally