This photo is not from 1939 Germany...it's right here in the US!

[cynatnite]

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[struggle4progress]

1. It is acceptable to hold neo-nazi/white-supremacist views? (August 2017)

no opinion 8%
acceptable 9%
not acceptable 83%

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-aug-16-20-2017/2235/

[Initech]

24. NEVER!!!!!! Fuck Nazis!!!!

My grandparents signed up to fight these fucking assholes in World War 2 and if I have to I will follow their footsteps! Really, fuck Nazis!

[RVN VET71]

25. Of course it's "acceptable"

Who phrased the question? America does not -- yet -- probe a citizen's thoughts to seek out "thought crimes." The First Amendment has not - yet - been repealed.

Change the first 3 words of the question to "Is it abhorrent" or "Is it repulsive" or "Is it a sign of moral degeneration" and I will agree wholeheartedly. But if I am asked to complete a questionnaire with the question as you quote it above, I'm checking "acceptable." (Having checked the link, I'd still say "acceptable," because the question is phrased as if I should take action against a person because of his "views." The guy is welcome to his own views, simple as that. Actions based on those views, however, present a completely different question.)

[Oneironaut]

56. Yup. That's the problem with this type of wording.

"Acceptable" is an ambiguous term when it comes to polling. Acceptable to whom? "Acceptable" could mean anything from "Is it morally acceptable" to "Should they be arrested?"

I would assume it meant "morally acceptable" and vote that it is unacceptable, but then some right wing think-tank would probably use my vote as an example of how Liberals want to implement thought-crime, or something like that.

[Mariana]

38. It is legal to hold those views, and to express them. It should remain legal.

it should be socially unacceptable, though. Those who are discovered to hold those views should be shunned by decent people.

[Snackshack]

42. Right.

Free Speech goes both ways. Personally I think it is abhorrent and detestable but my defense of Democracy includes them being able to be...abhorrent and detestable.

[olegramps]

52. Let them speak and they will be known for their ignorance and blind hatred.

[Eko]

2. When I see that.

My breathing slows down, my emotions clamp up and I become serious eko, and I dont like serious eko.

[RKP5637]

3. Link to more about it.

Rural Georgia bar hosts neo-Nazis for swastika-burning after rally

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/rural-georgia-bar-hosts-neo-nazis-for-swastika-burning-after-rally/RN4nfTteOVl3rxZqG9ufeO/

While they managed to only scrape together two dozen or so supporters for a neo-Nazi rally in Newnan, the National Socialist Movement apparently attracted a few more folks in a remote field under the cover of darkness to burn symbols of its group.

The Georgia Peach Oyster Bar, which sits just off a rural highway in Draketown, played host to the combined group of white nationalists after its members traveled 40 miles north from Saturday’s rally site in downtown Newnan. Images captured by Getty photographer Spencer Platt show the group giving Nazi salutes while burning large effigies of a swastika and an othala rune — a pagan symbol associated with Aryanism — in the field behind the bar.

[Doodley]

4. They are of low intelligence, the lot of them, just like Trump. They have no grasp of

the horrors of Nazi Germany.

[cynatnite]

5. It'd be horrific if they did grasp it. n/t

[plimsoll]

9. I think we are indulging in our own confirmation bias when we say that.

From the time Trump began his run for the presidency I have been worried about the people who would follow him. It’s quite easy to say things like “They don’t understand,” or “They continue to like him in spite of his behavior.” This is a liberal confirmation bias in action. We need to acknowledge that they do understand and they like him because of behavior.

We are engaging in our own brand of American exceptionally when we try to maintain that this strong undercurrent of racism, tribalism and brutality is not only present but nearly as prevalent as the enlightenment values that helped found the country. I don’t say, “The country was founded on,” because that is clearly a liberal trope. Enlightenment values played a part, but slavery was not prohibited, ownership of property and males only franchise was cooked into the country at the inception.

For as much as I dislike Kevin Phillips for what he helped perpetrate on the country, his views on the fundamental divide between “Roundhead and Cavalier” is both a verifiable historic thread, and an ongoing division in our society.

[OneBro]

22. Well said.

[dalton99a]

6. The non-racist owner of Georgia Peach Oyster Bar:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/patrick-lanzo-georgia-bar-n-word-sign_n_1475288.html
05/03/2012 04:39 pm ET Updated May 03, 2012
Patrick Lanzo, Georgia Bar Owner, Calls Obama ‘N*****’ On Road Sign Again

Georgia bar owner Patrick Lanzo of Paulding County has made habit of claiming he’s not racist, an argument that becomes harder to make each time he decides to display the n-word on a large roadside sign outside his establishment, the Georgia Peach Oyster Bar.

Lanzo’s latest message reads, “I do not support the n***** in the White House.” He recently told a local reporter that the offensive wording was not meant to be racist.

“I say just because you’re offended by it doesn’t mean you don’t have the right to say something just the opposite,” Lanzo said, according to a report from Atlanta’s Fox 5. “I don’t feel bad about anything whatsoever. Therefore, they can go out and put their own sign in their own yard and I will not be offended.”

In 2009, Lanzo drew outrage with a sign that read, “Obama’s plan for health-care: n***** rig it.” Again Lanzo maintained it was just a simple health care protest and not racist, a strange claim considering he advertises his establishment as a “Klan Bar” and has a rich history of catering to some of the nation’s most notorious racist groups.

More signs at
http://www.timesatlanta.com/news/paulding-county-restaurant-serving-up-the-racism/

[Hoyt]

7. Learned my lesson growing up in 1950/60s Georgia. This guy used to run for governor and claimed

he wasn't a racist too, even when they were locking him up for bombing a Black church in Birmingham.

[BamaRefugee]

8. Not to mention that BEACON OF EQUALITY Lester Maddox

[Hoyt]

11. Oh yeah. I worked for state government when he was still influential, although out of office.

They had these humongous restrooms, built back in the depression era with marble and a bunch of stalls and urinals. Much bigger than what you find at big movie complexes nowadays. Maddox used to walk around with an entourage of sycophants shaking everyone's hand in the Capitol and state office building.

One day I was standing at said urinals and Maddox walked in and wanted to shake everyone's hand in the restroom. To this day, I wish I had just turned around an relieved myself on him. My big chance to make a statement. But instead I said, "Can you wait just a minute. . . . . . ."

[BamaRefugee]

13. I was alternating between college in Alabama (George Wallace wall to wall)

and going home to Atlanta (Lester Maddox wall to wall). Still, my favorite place to eat was the infamous Ollie's Barbecue in Birmingham, damn that was the best barbecue ever
https://news.wbhm.org/feature/2014/ollies-barbecue-the-case-that-integrated-restaurants/

[Hoyt]

18. That was a weird time. If I hear one more white winger tell me how Lester Maddox doubled the

number of Blacks working for state government, as if it was a big accomplishment, I will punch them. Yeah, he might have done that. It went from 2 to 4 during his terms and then only because of the Civil Rights Act. That fool was a racist to the core. Last time I saw him, not long before he died, he was wondering around in a mall parking lot I guess looking for change on the ground.

He's another one who said he was not a racist

This junk was only about 50 years ago --

[BamaRefugee]

20. Pretty sure he counted blacks on the chain gangs as "working for state government".

[Hoyt]

21. LMAO. Well, yeah. It's really not funny because it's true, but I can't quit laughing.

[BamaRefugee]

23. Southerners have long lived with a deep appreciation for Gallows Humor.

[keithbvadu2]

32. Early Larry Craig?

[RVN VET71]

28. The man wants to act like a fool, he's courting serious reaction

If he wants to let the little dried up and shriveled sack of tissue that used to be his heart continue to mummify itself with racism until he finally is deposited in a hole in unhallowed ground, that's his business. But when he puts up a sign deliberately insulting his neighbors in a very visceral and hateful way, he's left the neutral zone of his tiny hollow mind and invited well-deserved comeuppance from any and all decent people who live in the world outside.

[jmowreader]

10. You've got to see his website. It's really bad.

For him, that is.

http://gapeachoysterbar.com

[colsohlibgal]

12. Getting Scary

Collective memory of WWll is for the most part gone so here we go again.

I donate enough to the SPLC that I get their intelligence reports on the myriad hate groups operating in most states.

Racism, Ant Semitism, Sexism, it is all out in open again, these losers are feeling frisky again with that creep in he White House.

They are operating right out in the open now.

[Rural_Progressive]

14. There are many days when I miss my father

today is not one of them.

Today I am grateful that my father, who was awarded the Silver Star in WWII, is not alive to see this sort of obscenity.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

17. I hear you, Rural Progressive

I was just thinking the same thing about my dad. This would just sicken him.

These people have no idea the evil they are invoking. And that sickens me.

[keithbvadu2]

35. America fought a war against the Nazis and supposedly won.

Trump "emboldened" the Nazis

America fought a war against the Nazis and supposedly won.

Yet here they are marching to "take back America".

" Michael Von Kotch, a Pennsylvania resident who called himself a Nazi, said the rally made him "proud to be white."

He said that he's long held white supremacist views and that Trump's election has "emboldened" him and the members of his own Nazi group. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.b54a0162fe07

[bdamomma]

54. I feel the same way

if my father or my uncles saw this...…….this is not America, we have a lot of hateful people in this country. tRump unleashed it.

[luc mont]

15. They wanna think that way? Hey, First Amendment

But when a sitting shitting president thinks that way, other Amendments must be considered.

[Sam McGee]

16. Apparently we did kill enough of those bastards.

[smirkymonkey]

19. Those were the days.

What a sad nation we have become.

[keithbvadu2]

33. Anti-fa holding a flag they captured.

[malchickiwick]

26. Goddam those are some tiny little hands!!

Jeez, just like their Fuhrer.

[sinkingfeeling]

27. Makes me sick to look at it and also, extremely angry. My young uncle

died fighting Nazis in France. I will not live in a country that tolerates these fascist fools.

[RVN VET71]

29. Will Trump tell us which of these are the good people?

[mucifer]

30. I am proud to say I am Jewish and I want to show you what 1939 in New York City

Last edited Sat May 19, 2018, 11:23 PM - Edit history (1)

looked like at a rally: No swastika visible in the photo. But look at the banner on the right. "Stop Jewish Domination of Christian America" The nazi rally filled Madison Square Garden. (Just a little perspective).


?w=1200

[Hoyt]

37. Very sad.

[Westcoast52]

31. This Is The Disease Behind Gun Violence

Like malaria relapses, this country goes through these spiritual meltdowns. In the 20s, public lynchings were a family event. In the 60s, the Civil Rights movement brought forth all the stored hatred of a hundred years. A common denominator in these recent events is "There's a new sheriff in town". Trump has issued these psychopaths a hunting license with his rhetoric and example. Tell the truth, I thought the photo was Friday night in San Bernadino. California has a much more comprehensive racist history than Georgia (Asians/Indians/Mexicans/African-Americans). Today, Nazism is more entrenched than in Germany. Their society confronts its own evil and has de-programmed its citizenry of Nazi ideology. America never 'faces facts' about itself. What is Trump thinking when the people he panders to consider Ivanka a race traitor for marrying a Jew? Sam McGee has it right. My father was a POW in Germany and certainly did not suffer for the cause of evil.

[Still In Wisconsin]

34. There are several holes in my family tree because of people exactly like these.

I am a Jew of Eastern European and Russian ancestry. It pains me that there is even such a thing as the Nazi Party in 2018.

It pains me that people such as these helped elect our current President. I pray that we as a people never head down the path of 1930's Germany. With the election of Trump and the actions of his administration over his first year-plus in office we have clearly taken many steps down that path.

[Wabbajack_]

36. What's up with the diamond shape?

[stevenleser]

39. Top of an Othala Rune

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/othala-rune

?itok=f7fVzJXY

The othala rune is part of the runic alphabet system, a system of writing used (with many variations) across pre-Roman Europe. In the 20th century, Nazis in Germany adopted the othal rune, among many other similar symbols, as part of their attempt to reconstruct a mythic "Aryan" past. Nazi uses of the symbol included the divisional insignia of two Waffen SS divisions during World War II. Following World War II, white supremacists in Europe, North America, and elsewhere began using the othala rune. Today, it is commonly seen in tattoo form, on flags or banners, as part of group logos, and elsewhere.

However, because it is part of the runic alphabet, the symbol can also be found in non-extremist contexts as well, especially runic writing and runestones used by non-racist pagans. Consequently, care should be taken to evaluate the symbol in the context in which it appears.

[Wabbajack_]

45. Nazis are so weird

[stevenleser]

47. Well, they are already determined to have an irrational hatred of various groups of people

Most people recognize that hating people you have never met and whose character you know nothing about is weird. Nazis have obviously not figured that out.

[Mariana]

40. Might be this:

Othala Rune



https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/othala-rune

[oberliner]

41. Didn't Prince Harry wear a Nazi armband as a costume once?

[cynatnite]

44. Yes, and he got in a load of trouble over it...

The media backlash was terrible for one. His father made him go through a holocaust museum as well. Don't know what else went on at home...hard to say, but it seemed to me that he learned his lesson well. He wasn't that old at the time...a teenager, I think.

[magicarpet]

46. Prince Harry is not a Nazi... What he did was yield to peer...

.... pressure and dressed as a Nazi. Sometimes (often) young men think Fascism (Nazi uniforms) denote hyper masculinity. Nazis hate fags - conversely Nazis are hyper sexual young males and their libido is on hyper-drive looking to connect with hyper-sexualized females.

But if a Nazi crosses the path of a homo fag the fag should be shunned and ridiculed in a very boisterous way and humiliated in public. If the fag is too careless and found confronted by a gang of young Nazi men the Nazi wolf pack might well inflict physical harm, permanent injury, or even death to the fag.

Nazi gangs are notoriously ruthless - if the alpha males of the Nazi wolf pack emphasize hatred of anything considered different or outside a narrowly defined norm then all hell will pour down on those considered different and outside the norm.

White, blonde, blue eyed, "Aryan", HETEROSEXUAL, and Protestant Christian are the building blocks of a white supremacists pure society.

Anything that deviates from that norm should be crushed and eliminated because they contaminate the pure white heterosexual male dominated race, threaten it's preservation and infect the pure and ideal and perfect gene pool.

Talk about mindless narrow mindedness.Dumb-ing down of the male society until we regress backwards to where Neanderthal Man is considered our best and brightest Mensa scholars among us.

May I introduce to you presi-Dunce Mr. Donald John Trump, the very best Conservative (Nazi) America has to offer.

Trump is a sad example of a stable and physically and mentally healthy man. He is a Nazi to the core and an embarrassment to humanity. He has a narrow and limited grasp of anything of importance.

Prince Harry is on the world stage. Was caught acting out a youthful indiscretion and testing the waters to prove his masculine bonafides. Was caught dressed as a Nazi for a costume party. He was reprimanded and seems to have recognized and mended his ways. To become a fine young man the world can be proud of.

Keep an eye on (King) William and Prince Harry as they grow and mature. They are destined and were groomed to be world leaders on the world stage. Their mother Dianne speaks to the world through the actions of these young men. She taught them to take their obligations to humanity seriously.

There is no such hope for white trash trump, he is ir-redeemable, a total lost cause, and an utter embarrassment. America is much to blame for having inflicted this shame upon itself.

Hopefully this is a learning moment for generations to come that we carefully reflect upon - as to how a government should never be operated and/or run. Using much more care in who we select to put at the helm of our fragile and evolving Democracy.

Prince Harry is not a threat to all that - but "The Donald" brings great risk and peril to a Republic/Union of representative Democratic form of governance and leaves the back door ajar for Fascism to enter the premises and run rampant.

How could/did this happen ? More importantly - we should never allow it to happen again.

Learning the error of our ways and developing plan for long-term corrective action is our only hope to escape this nightmare of a creeping Fascist State, creeping Criminal Oligarchy, and finally creeping Re-construction of our society into a Strict Fundamentalist Dominionist Christian Theological State.

VOTE - transform society and our form of governance into something that evokes pride rather than shame. Your children and grandchildren will honor you for having made the effort and handed off the baton of Democracy so they have their chance to tweak and refine it and make it evolve even further to the ultimate betterment of humankind.

That is a legacy and gift with no price tag attached. That is a very altruistic act certainly well within our grasp - to preserve and protect our Democracy for future generations to come after us. That should be job # 1 and our task at hand on a daily basis.

Working together and in unison we can once again slay the fire breathing dragon of Fascism and preserve this Democracy, if we could only muster the will to do so.

[stevenleser]

48. I thought it was simpler than that, it was a costume party and he chose poorly. nt

[Doreen]

49. All I can say is "holy fuck"

[Uncle Joe]

50. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread cynatnite

[Stonepounder]

51. ACLU HISTORY: TAKING A STAND FOR FREE SPEECH IN SKOKIE

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie , where many Holocaust survivors lived. The notoriety of the case caused some ACLU members to resign, but to many others the case has come to represent the ACLU's unwavering commitment to principle.

(Full article at link.)

Voltaire: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Personally, I believe they have the right to their beliefs. However, and this is the important part, they do not have the right to practice those beliefs on others who do not agree with them. I would absolutely not allow a self-professed Nazi in my home or on my property and I would demand prosecution for Criminal Trespass if they did not leave immediately.

[Honeycombe8]

53. No! We'll revolt before we allow this to take over the country. nt

[magicarpet]

55. Lexington/Concord redux.

Do not fire your musket until you can clearly see the whites of their eyes. Then blast away at them Red Coats.

[Honeycombe8]

57. LOL. nt