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boston bean

(36,186 posts)
Sun May 20, 2018, 06:28 PM May 2018

Oh my. Some of those shot in Santa Fe may have been shot in crossfire by police!!



Seems like every shooting is an argument against the NRA.

More guns in school. nOPE.

More cops to keep our precious children safe. nOPe.

Tell someone about odd dangerous behavior. nOPE.

Bullying is the issue. nOPE.

Damn less guns is the answer. And NO civilian should own semi auto’s. End of story!!
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Oh my. Some of those shot in Santa Fe may have been shot in crossfire by police!! (Original Post) boston bean May 2018 OP
Teachers will be better shots. rzemanfl May 2018 #1
Source? oberliner May 2018 #2
CNN TV. boston bean May 2018 #3
Which show? oberliner May 2018 #5
I've seen it on Ana's show about 5x now. boston bean May 2018 #19
Good guys with guns blur256 May 2018 #4
That'll always be a possibility Igel May 2018 #6
Apparently he was after a girl who had turned him down. He shot her first. SharonAnn May 2018 #12
That "philosopher" Jordan Peterson seems to think that women turning angry young men down-- dawg day May 2018 #21
That is not an accurate report based on what others are reporting. LisaL May 2018 #16
There is one certain way to avoid crossfire shootings in the future. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #7
I'd wait for full confirmation on this before making a big thing about it. jimlup May 2018 #8
How many years will it take to ban civilian ownership of semiautomatic... spin May 2018 #9
If so they would keep in quite... BlueJac May 2018 #10
They will just have to keep inventing reasons Turbineguy May 2018 #11
It this is true then how B2G May 2018 #13
Seems like media is just wildly speculating and it's not helpful at this time. LisaL May 2018 #18
Good guys with guns! What could possibly go wrong? VOX May 2018 #14
Until all the autopsies are done Raine May 2018 #15
Yea, that's just a wild speculation right now. LisaL May 2018 #17
Should be easy; shotguns fire round balls of buckshot NickB79 May 2018 #20
Police were shot in the crossfire Nevernose May 2018 #22
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Which show?
Sun May 20, 2018, 06:41 PM
May 2018

Every time I have turned on CNN this afternoon/evening they have been covering the wedding.

Was there coverage of the shooting on Ana's show or Fredricka's?

Igel

(35,199 posts)
6. That'll always be a possibility
Sun May 20, 2018, 06:59 PM
May 2018

when the kids are in the hall or behind thin walls.

On the other hand, the reports I've seen have said the police fired one round and the guy surrendered, so I assume the shot wasn't fired at the shooter ... that strikes me as odd. Or maybe the cop's bullet went wide. In any event, it means any "crossfire" is pretty much ruled out; plural victims of that one round are unlikely (but possible). The cop was hit by a shotgun blast (I assume the shooter was using buckshot and not a deer slug) and depending on the spread the shot (from the shooter) may have hit some students.

The police stopped this kid.

Reports are also that the shooter spared kids he liked and aimed for those he didn't like. It follows the "he was bullied" narrative, which was denied by various and sundry. Victims must always be pure and innocent, victimizers must have no redeeming traits or mitigating circumstances in a purely binary, polarized, black-and-white zero-tolerance world. It cuts down on thinking and calories expended.

Note that the event of a lockdown, kids are safer than if they're flooding the halls thinking there's a fire drill. In the event of a shooter, kids are safer if the administrators know it's an active shooter they're against and not a fire alarm. The first person I heard described as a "hero" probably wasn't. The first person I heard described as "useless" was. Because that's what was needed for the pre-set conclusion of a predetermined argument.

SharonAnn

(13,767 posts)
12. Apparently he was after a girl who had turned him down. He shot her first.
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:03 PM
May 2018

What is with these young men/boys who think they're entitled to kill people because a girl/woman doesn't want to engage with them?

I'm really serious here.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
21. That "philosopher" Jordan Peterson seems to think that women turning angry young men down--
Mon May 21, 2018, 12:11 AM
May 2018

is unfair. "Enforced monogamy" is his solution. He shares it with Boko Haram.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
8. I'd wait for full confirmation on this before making a big thing about it.
Sun May 20, 2018, 07:16 PM
May 2018

Let's think and act unlike the opposition that doesn't bother to because they know the media will give them a free pass for stupidity.

spin

(17,493 posts)
9. How many years will it take to ban civilian ownership of semiautomatic...
Sun May 20, 2018, 07:28 PM
May 2018

firearms if it ever happens?

How many school shootings will occur between now and then?

Even if semiautomatic firearms are banned and confiscated a shooter could use a book bag full of revolvers to murder a lot of people. With practice and the use of speed loaders a revolver can be reloaded quickly. Pump action shotguns also can be fired and reloaded quickly.

On scene well trained armed security can stop a shooter faster then police summoned to the scene. Physically hardening our schools may prevent many shootings from happening. We must take measures now to reduce school shootings and argue about gun bans at some time in the future.





VOX

(22,976 posts)
14. Good guys with guns! What could possibly go wrong?
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:42 PM
May 2018

How did so many “American conservatives” get so completely unhinged simultaneously?

Raine

(30,540 posts)
15. Until all the autopsies are done
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:44 PM
May 2018

there is no way to know, it will take retrieving the bullets and seeing whose gun they were fired from.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
22. Police were shot in the crossfire
Mon May 21, 2018, 12:33 AM
May 2018
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/santa-fe-high-school-shooting-school-resource-officer-john-barnes-shot-update-today-2018-05-18/

This was a “hardened target,” at least according to the State of Texas. The cops in charge of protecting children got shot, too. Just like the dead children got shot. It’s not the schools that are killing people: it’s the guns.

Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. I learned that on October 1st, 2017, when a person with a gun in my hometown shot 600 people and killed 60 more in six minutes. People I know were killed, and people I know committed suicide afterwards. What the 82nd Airborne took on D-Day? That’s what people going to a country music concert on vacation have to worry about, and that’s mostly because of the NRA.
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