30 year old legally evicted by parents for not doing chores or paying rent

[Demovictory9]

His parents,Christina and Mark Rotondo, are pictured on the right. They say they have been trying to kick him out of their house for months

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Get out! Judge sides with parents trying to evict their unemployed millennial 30-year-old son from their family home after he refused to pay rent or do chores
New York State Supreme Court Judge Donald Greenwood ordered Michael Rotondo, 30, to move out of his parents' Camillus home on Tuesday
Christina and Mark Rotondo have been trying to evict their only son for months
They wrote him five written notices, when he failed to pay rent or contribute in the household, but he refused to move
Michael claimed his parents had not given him enough time to move out, despite their multiple notices and offers of money to help him get a new place
He is unemployed and is locked in a legal battle with Best Buy who he says fired him for not being able to work Saturdays



A New York judge has ordered a 30-year-old man to move out of his parents' home - after the couple tried and failed for months to get their deadbeat son to fly the coop.

At a Tuesday hearing, which lasted about 30 minutes, New York State Supreme Court Judge Donald Greenwood sided with Mark and Christina Rotondo of Camillus, New York.

The couple have been trying to evict their unemployed only-son Michael for months because he refuses to pay rent or contribute in any way around the house.

Michael argued in court on Tuesday that legal precedent allowed him six months notice before his parents could kick him out. The judge pointed out another case that nullified that previous decision, and called six months an 'outrageous' amount of time to ask for. Michael responded that it was 'outrageous' to evict him.



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[mikeysnot]

1. What basis did he argue?

Now I have heard it all.

[DrDan]

63. the only defense i heard was that he argued he did his own laundry and it was not costing them

anything for him to live there.

Pretty lame.

[mikeysnot]

67. way lame.

After grad school I lived with my folks for three months while I found work. I painted every room in the house, fixed the garage window, finished the bay window and walls and did all the chores they asked of me.

The look on his face reminds me of the look Skerelli had when he increased prices on the epi pen by 700%.

[DrDan]

68. they even offered to give him $1100 to get started - I think he is scared to death to be

on his own and have to grow up

[Drunken Irishman]

78. He also took the money and still didn't move out.

[DrDan]

88. he was just on CNN - apparently he is going to send a letter asking for 3 months to move out

what a leech

and he has a son . . .

[NCTraveler]

71. Time-Frame.

Most states are very clear in this area. Seems he argued on a past case when there was a more recent one setting new precedence.

[B2G]

2. He has an extremely smackable face. nt

[MariaCSR]

62. Yeah he looks like a smug jerk. How much u wanna bet he's a deplorable?

[John Fante]

3. The article had to throw in that he is a millennial, huh? WTF is up with that?

Funny, whenever a miserable old right-winger goes on a racist rant in a supermarket, nobody feels compelled to point out that they're a baby boomer.

[canetoad]

7. It's the daily mail

Did they mention how much their house cost? They usually do.

[Demovictory9]

9. nice house. pic at link

[MineralMan]

12. Is he not a millennial?

[John Fante]

20. It was a cheap way to shit on the millennial generation.

It's like saying "the 31-year-old atheist" of the "31-year-old liberal". It's pointless to the story.

[MineralMan]

21. His age is relevant.

He is an adult living rent-free in his parents home. There are many news stories about Millennials freeloading in that way. So, the millennial tag is also relevant. Parents have no legal duty to support their adult offspring. Many do, but there is no legal reason that they must.

My parents told me I was on my own when I was 19, since I had dropped out of college, so I made my own way. I thank them for that.

Perhaps this story bothers you for some reason. I don't know...

[John Fante]

32. His age is relevant. The generation he is a part of isn't.

No matter how you spin it.

Aaron M. Schlossberg (AKA: the racist lawyer) is a Gen-Xer. Have you seen any articles pointing that out?

"There are many news stories about Millennials freeloading in that way."

Anecdotal evidence. Weak.

[catsudon]

53. I do think it is just a silly label but justified in its use

i do remember gen-x being crapped on all the time before millennials (x were called slackers and mtv-generations). and then before that, it was the baby boomers. don't worry, it will move on to gen z soon when they grow up and become infamous for something new, perhaps for mass shooting.

btw:
Gen Z, iGen, or Centennials: Born 1996 and later.
Millennials or Gen Y: Born 1977 to 1995.
Generation X: Born 1965 to 1976.
Baby Boomers: Born 1946 to 1964.
Traditionalists or Silent Generation: Born 1945 and before.

[Tipperary]

77. This.

[appalachiablue]

43. I'm sick of the millennial smack downs as well. It's been going on

for a while now with the sweeping negative generalizations. Enough, already!

Some say there are also attempts to divide generations, pit one against another for gain. I see evidence of that too.

Boomer here

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To add, just finished this story, wow. He is one stubborn pest to his parents.

[brush]

26. Ahhh...isn't the racist rant lawyer in NY a millennial?

[liberalhistorian]

29. No, he's in his

early forties. Not sure what that would make him generation-name-wise, but it does put him beyond the millennials.

[John Fante]

76. He's 42, that makes him Gen-X.

[NCTraveler]

72. I don't mind that they mentioned "millennial".

"millennial 30-year-old son"

That said, this is a bit redundant.

[leftynyc]

4. Couldn't they have just changed the locks?

It's their home, his name is not on the title. Not seeing why they went this far more expensive route.

[MosheFeingold]

6. He probably has legal rights

As person staying in the house for a period of time.

So changing the locks would have probably been some sort of crime.

His smackable face informs me he is the type to have learned this law and how to abuse it.

Probably a gifted student who never learned how to work.

[leftynyc]

17. Only if he had a lease

Otherwise, parents throw their kids out of the house all the time. If he was a minor, I'd understand the problem.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

22. A lot of states have tenant rights that don't require a lease or even rent.

If you live somewhere for a certain amount of time, often 30 days, that place becomes your principal residence. Unlike a short term residence like a hotel that can evict you without much notice (or change the locks).


Seems fair. A thirty day notice should be given. The courts don’t want people made suddenly homeless without warning.

Just because parents do it all the time that doesn’t mean it would stand up to legal review if it made it to court.

[Lee-Lee]

24. Not true

In most cases a lease isn’t required for a person to have to be evicted.

If they have at any point provided and money or labor in in exchange for staying or paid any bills of the household it establishes residency, regardless of the cost existence of a lease.

[leftynyc]

45. That's unbelievable

So anyone I invite for the weekend who helps with the dishes can park their ass on my sofa and force me to court? I Amy never allow
anyone to stay with me ever again. You think you're doing something nice and it turns out you can be horribly taken advantage of.

[Lee-Lee]

50. That's an example that pushes the line, but in some states yes

One we saw all the time was “this person was down on their luck so I let them crash here for a few weeks and they gave me a few bucks, but now I want them gone.” Or “this is my boyfriend he’s been sleeping here and paid some bills but we broke up and I want him gone”.

In NC staying a weekend wouldn’t be enough, but in some states it may.

Don’t ever let a “guest” have mail sent to your address while they stay there. That’s one standard used by most states. Some also look at the degree of control over the space, if they had a key, if they had access to cooking space, etc.

Bottom line is be cautious if offering someone space to crash for a while and know where your state draws that line.

[leftynyc]

56. VERY good advice

On the mail and key thing. I swear none of this ever occurred to me. NY is a notoriously tenant friendly state - it often takes up to a year to evict someone even if they're not paying rent but the thought that someone not on the lease has this kind of power is unnerving.

[Lee-Lee]

58. Yeah, the worst cases I've seen

Were cases where it was a couple that split, and the one not on the lease or deep refused to leave out of spite.

Staying just enough in their face to be a total annoyance, but not doing anything that rises to the level to be able to get a restraining order and kick them out.

I’ve seen more than one jilted ex stay in a home the 30-90 days it took to evict them.

[Lee-Lee]

13. Not that easy. If he has ever paid any rent or contributed at all it requires court ordered eviction

If someone is staying in your home even a night and they gave you any money or did any work in exchange for that they are at that point a tenant in most states.

Once they are a tenant then a full legal eviction is required.

Let your cousin crash on your couch for a few weeks and he gave you $20? Gotta evict him now.

Let your boyfriend crash at your place and he paid a power bill for you? Gotta do a full eviction now.

It varies in detail by state, but most follow that formula.

One of the most common situations I dealt with as a deputy, the “I want him/her gone from my house/trailer/apartment” and people didn’t like when they learned it wasn’t that easy.

[ooky]

25. I threw one of my sons out the door one night, along with his girlfriend, and their two big dogs.

They weren't working, weren't cleaning up after themselves, or their dogs. They hadn't asked me if she could sleep over. They watched TV all day, ate my food, and left their dishes in my sink and on my side tables. Then one night as I was clearing their dishes from my living room he told me I was in the way of his view of the TV and asked if I could do that later. And that did it, they were on the street with their dogs 10 minutes later.

Didn't cost me a dime of court cost, and yeah, I probably violated some of their "rights". Somehow in the moment that didn't seem important to me.

Of course, I also knew they would go to his mother's house.

[Mariana]

28. So, they left when you told them to.

That is not what happened in this story.

[ooky]

38. Yes, different ending. Apparently his parents weren't convincing enough with their written

communications and offers of grace periods and cash assistance.

[liberalhistorian]

30. It's perfectly understandable

why you did that and it was the right thing to do. But it's not the same as what happened here, they kept trying to get him to leave and he refused to do so, for months.

[ooky]

39. Thanks, guess my thoughts were confusing so I will try to clarify that

I was actually responding to a post that questioned why they couldn't just change the locks instead of taking their son to court. I was agreeing taking their son to court seemed a bit over the top, but at the same time acknowledging the frustration of those parents as I have experienced a similar situation (lazy adult kids at home). Hopefully that makes more sense, as I was not trying to equivocate their experience with my own, although apparently came across that way.

[tblue37]

47. They had to take him to court because, unlike your son, he refused to leave, so they

had to get the court behind them to make him do so.

He will undoubtedly drag this out through appeals, though, while he extends his freelancing career.

[leftynyc]

44. I don't blame you for

kicking them out. You didn't mention their ages but this ADULT was clearly taking advantage of his parents and if he had the coin to go to court, he could take care of himself. Honestly, forcing your parents to court because you're a lazy slug only makes him look worse.

[gay texan]

52. Did your son sort himself out after That? N/t

[ooky]

69. Yes, he has matured a lot since then.

Finished college, has a job, bought a home, and raising his own daughter. He's doing very well now. We are very proud of him.

[rurallib]

5. And why couldn't he work on Saturdays?

Last year, he filed a lawsuit against a local Best Buy for discrimination, saying he was fired because he couldn't work Saturdays due to a court visitation schedule.

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So apparently he must have a kid somewhere?

[RhodeIslandOne]

18. Saturday is Shomer Shabbos!!!! n/m

[GulfCoast66]

37. He doesn't fucking roll either! You win! nt.

[mr_lebowski]

84. He doesn't ride in cars, he doesn't pick up the phone ...

And he SURE AS SHIT DOESN'T FUCKING ROLL!!!

Get that Kraut Burckhalter on the Phone!!!

[Demovictory9]

8. more - they sure want him gone. future thankgivings will be awkward

[LisaM]

10. Whoa, number 2?

He has weapons???

[hunter]

35. That caught my eye too.

I wonder if he's one of these guys:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181082311 (Warning: Guns and nudity.)

[tblue37]

48. The judge also ordered an elder abuse investigation. nt

[Blue_Tires]

64. Money for guns, bad suits, probably video games, etc...

and he can't kick a little back to mom and dad??

[lpbk2713]

11. Cancel his World of Warcraft account.

He'll go psycho.

[dhill926]

14. this guy is giving slackers a bad name....

[Scurrilous]

15. In every dream home a heartache...

[BannonsLiver]

16. Beck, the musician had a comment on this case

[MariaCSR]

65. LMAO!!

[oberliner]

19. The Daily Mail is a right-wing British tabloid

The reason they publish a local interest Syracuse, NY story like this is because they think it makes liberals look bad.

[smirkymonkey]

40. This story is in many publications, both right and left wing.

It's even in the UK Guardian.

[Agschmid]

86. ...

No they made a 30 y/o squater look bad, that’s about it.

[backtoblue]

23. "Failure to Launch" nt

[Demovictory9]

27. another news source for this story

http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2018/05/judge_praises_adult_sons_legal_research_boots_him_from_parents_house_anyway.html

Judge praises 30-year-old son's legal research, boots him from parents' house anyway

Syracuse, NY -- State Supreme Court Justice Donald Greenwood tried everything he could today to convince a 30-year-old man to move out of his parents' Camillus house on his own.

But after half an hour of back-and-forth, primarily between the son, Michael Rotondo, and the judge, the judge had had enough:

Rotondo would have to move out, the judge ruled. He also ordered adult protective services to investigate, expressing concern about what was going on.

That order capped a surreal 30-minute court appearance in which Rotondo didn't deny that his parents had given him multiple orders to leave their 408 Weatheridge Drive home. But Rotondo wasn't going to leave without a legal battle.

Since the story was first reported on Syracuse.com, it's captured attention both nationally and internationally, with outlets such as the New York Post, Fox News and the BBC covering the case. The court fight made the Late Late Show with James Corden. A half-dozen camera crews covered today's court appearance.

[IluvPitties]

31. LOL!

His grin made me laugh my butt off!

[ProudLib72]

33. Does this remind anyone else of...

Damn hippies!

[justgamma]

34. Wonder why this is such a big deal.

Dr. Phil has been having the same cases on his show for years.

[left-of-center2012]

36. "He also said his parents don't provide food or do his laundry for him."

From the linked article:

"... he couldn't work Saturdays due to a court visitation schedule."

Guessing he doesn't pay child support,
due to being unemployed.

[smirkymonkey]

41. I'm sorry, but this lazy, entitled slob needs to get off his ass and start supporting

himself. It sounds like he hasn't even made an effort and is an enormous burden on his parents. What a pathetic loser! He probably spends all his time playing video games and on alt-right/MRA websites. Blaming everyone but himself for his predicament.

[Oneironaut]

42. Alan from the Hangover

[leftyladyfrommo]

46. Same smug smile as that drug company guy

who was just sent to jail for fraud.
They look alike.

[tblue37]

49. Martin Shkreli.

[no_hypocrisy]

51. As my mother would confidently point out: Your name is not on the title to this house or the

property. End of argument.

[Miles Archer]

54. Some DUers might have followed the saga of my girlfriend's 39 year old son (we evicted him)

1). Got evicted, came here with the sad story, we took him (plus his girlfriend and her 4 year old daughter) in, under the agreement that it was temporary, and that he would pay $100 a week plus half the electric bill.

2). He got into conflict with me in the first month, telling me I needed to "get a real job" (I have a real job, I am a Web Designer) and that this was "my MUTHA'S house," not OUR home.

3). Three months in, he skipped paying us, and one week's worth of the money went to his girlfriend bailing him out of jail due to assault charges that were filed at a party he attended.

4). By the end of the third month, it was clear that the new job he'd been talking about since moving in was never going to happen.

5). At the start of the fourth month, he was working two days a week. The rest of his time was spent on the sofa watching TV and drinking beer. He informed my girlfriend he would not be paying her any more money and that she should go fuck herself.

6). Because she is his mother, it was like pulling teeth, but I convinced her to evict him. He taunted us, saying "Go ahead and try. It will take you three months and I won't pay a penny."

7). It actually took ONE month. We sat there...my girlfriend and I, the son and his girlfriend, and the judge asked him how long he needed to move out. He said "Six weeks." The judge gave him ONE week.

8). His final words to his mother before moving out were "Go fuck yourself and die alone."

[Blue_Tires]

59. I hope someday he grows the fuck up

and tries to atone and rebuild the relationships of the people he's hurt... If he never sees or hears from his mother again that's a horrible final note to leave on...

[Miles Archer]

81. He showed up here a month or so ago.

He got arrested a second time for assault. They got into a drunken punching match while driving.

You can see the status of people who have been arrested online. We saw that he had gotten out on bail. I immediately called the cops and said "He's coming here."

The cop showed up. We showed him a photo. He said "I think I saw a guy who looks like this at the end of your street."

The cop filled out a "no trespassing" order and sure enough, down the road comes the prodigal son. The girlfriend had knocked out 6 of his front teeth during the fight.

The cop handed the order to him and told him that if he set foot on the property he would be arrested, and that the order does not expire.

He was actually here to see some friends of ours who are staying with us, but he stood at the edge of the driveway.

He came back one more time after that. We threw a fit and told our friends that if they need to see him, go meet him somewhere else.

[MariaCSR]

60. How long ago was this? Where is he now?

I'm interested in an update lol

[Miles Archer]

82. Left 20 minutes before the Sheriff was due to arrive, on December 20th.

See above for an update. He's working with a bail bondsman and supposedly is "going into a program." He is living in a house three miles away, which made me throw up in my mouth a little when I found out about it.

[MariaCSR]

87. So sorry, man.

I hope he keeps his distance.

[Hortensis]

80. Poor parents.

[dembotoz]

55. can understand that happening...kids are blood but sometimes also real shits

wife went thru this with abusive brother who lived with his grandparents.

[elocs]

57. On the lighter side, "Scenes From a Pull-out Couch":

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These Spectrum monster commercials are great.

[Blue_Tires]

61. Motherfucker is 30 and doesn't work?

Regardless of whether the dude has always lived there, or just moved back "temporarily" a couple years ago, the parents also need to have their asses kicked for enabling this little shit for so long...

[ismnotwasm]

66. Hmm

My Mom puts up with my 56 year old meth addicted sister—she lives in a mother in law behind my Moms house. I’ve tried telling her to leave a couple of times, because she’s a giant asshole. My Mom doesn’t want to go through the eviction process—even though she wasn’t supposed to move in in the first place, but she also doesn’t want to see her daughter on the street.

This Dude looks like he suffers from Libertarianism and a keyboard warrior addiction. Probably an incel MRA.

[mainer]

70. He may be a gun nut, too

I noticed this in the article:

The couple wrote a third letter five days later, offering Michael $1,100 to find a new place to stay and some advice on how to get a new apartment - such as selling 'any weapons you may have' for rent money.

Guessing he's not only a gun collector, he's also an incel.

[Paladin]

73. I was prepared to side with the guy....until I saw that smarmy expression on his face.

Way to go, parents.

[hunter]

74. What happens if he's unemployable?

Does he end up sleeping in doorways and pissing in the stairwells of parking structures?

There are few safety nets in the U.S.A..

That's one thing that makes parents reluctant to evict grown children. You can throw a kid in the river to "teach" them how to swim, but there's a risk they'll drown.

My wife and I are blessed that our kids didn't bounce back home after they graduated from college. They wanted to be off and on their own.

We're also blessed our kids didn't live my reckless version of being "on my own" as a young man, at least so far as I know.

It took me nine years to graduate from college and I was "asked" to take time off twice for mental health issues. There were times I lived in my car, squatted in empty apartments ready to jump out the window if I heard a key in the front door lock, lived in the garden shed of a PTSD Vietnam war vet, and survived a David Lynch version of My Big Fat Greek Wedding, thankfully without the wedding because we broke up for good when I jumped out of her moving car in Berkeley.

But I did have a safety net. A couple of times I crashed hard, hard enough to end up back with my parents or sleeping on my brother's sofa, but I always knew it was temporary.

My own thought experiment about this story is "What would happen to a guy like this on Star Trek Next Generation earth?"

He'd probably end up living in a comfortable little cubicle, eating inexpensive replicated food, being visited by concerned social workers every day until he couldn't stand it anymore and decided to do something else.

And if he didn't, then oh well, society benefits by his minimal presence. It's less expensive to house him than our current system of prisons and street people bouncing in and out of hospital emergency rooms.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

79. We've seen this before

[bitterross]

83. Well, Who raised him to be an asshole with no values or morals? The parents.

I'd feel bad for them but I can't help thinking they are, in the end, responsible for his upbringing and his screwed-up value system.

[nini]

85. Not always

One of brothers turned into a freaking narcissist monster. We were all raised the same. Sometimes people are just assholes.