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Scientists can't explain why diplomats in Cuba are suffering from 'traumatic brain injury' (Original Post) RKP5637 May 2018 OP
On the Origin of the "Influencing Machine" in Schizophrenia ck4829 May 2018 #1
How does that explain the actual damage to their brains? n/t RKP5637 May 2018 #2
Has anyone been shown any photographic evidence of this damage? ck4829 May 2018 #5
These actions by the US and Canada must indicate they feel something is going on? RKP5637 May 2018 #6
Thank you! Phoenix61 May 2018 #7
How is this then explained from the article ... RKP5637 May 2018 #8
Interesting! Thank you, ck4829. Who gains from the accusations? Not "enemy states" Cuba and China. Judi Lynn May 2018 #10
You're welcome and you're right... Who does benefit from this? ck4829 May 2018 #11
Sounds a lot like Operation Northwoods to me. Get the public fired up, then overthrow Cuba Judi Lynn May 2018 #14
That's a VERY INTERESTING perspective. Start to rattle the people incrementally. Cuba and then RKP5637 May 2018 #15
Excellent as always malaise May 2018 #19
Good question. What Judi Lynn posted #14 was also quite interesting! The entire thing RKP5637 May 2018 #16
It's right there in the article kcr May 2018 #12
Very curious malaise May 2018 #13
Did you have a chance to see what Judi Lynn posted #14. It is all getting a bit strange. I don't RKP5637 May 2018 #17
Thanks malaise May 2018 #20
... RKP5637 May 2018 #22
Putin knows. Sneederbunk May 2018 #3
There's something likely going on especially with actual physical evidence of brain damage. n/t RKP5637 May 2018 #4
I think I figured out what the damaging sound was! OhZone May 2018 #9
You nailed it!!! LOL, and Trump singing along!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2018 #18
Seems like mass hysteria, imo Starry Messenger May 2018 #21
It will be interesting when/if it all comes out. The whole thing is pretty strange. Also, see RKP5637 May 2018 #23

ck4829

(35,076 posts)
1. On the Origin of the "Influencing Machine" in Schizophrenia
Wed May 23, 2018, 10:27 AM
May 2018

"On the Origin of the 'Influencing Machine' in Schizophrenia" is an article written by psychoanalyst Viktor Tausk. It was first published in 1919 in the journal Internationale Zeitschrift für Psychoanalyse and then, after translation into English by Dorian Feigenbaum, in the Psychoanalytic Quarterly in 1933.[1]

The paper describes Tausk's observations and psychoanalytic interpretation of paranoid delusion that occurs in patients diagnosed with schizophrenia. The delusion often involves their being influenced by a "diabolical machine", just outside the technical understanding of the victim, that influences them from afar. It is typically believed to be operated by a group of people who are persecuting the individual, whom Tausk suggested were "to the best of my knowledge, almost exclusively of the male sex" and the persecutors "predominantly physicians by whom the patient has been treated".

These delusions are known in contemporary psychiatry as "passivity delusions" or "passivity phenomena" and are listed among Kurt Schneider's 'first rank' symptoms which are thought to be particularly diagnostic of schizophrenia, and still form some of the core diagnostic criteria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_the_%22Influencing_Machine%22_in_Schizophrenia

When I see stories like this, when I see people jumping through mental hoops to say it must be some kind of weapon or technology that violates the laws of physics, I think of this. It's just bizarre.

ck4829

(35,076 posts)
5. Has anyone been shown any photographic evidence of this damage?
Wed May 23, 2018, 10:48 AM
May 2018
https://www.google.com/search?q=cuba+sonic+attacks+brain&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjNrvjQiJzbAhXis1kKHWFeCtoQ_AUICygC

I see this photo being pushed around a lot:


But it's actually a stock photo that is years old. Weird, right?

What is the department of state hiding?

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
6. These actions by the US and Canada must indicate they feel something is going on?
Wed May 23, 2018, 10:57 AM
May 2018

From the articles ...

“Some U.S. officials have speculated that the 'attacks' could have been conducted by 'rogue' elements within the Cuban government or military, or by agents of an unidentified third country,” my colleagues report.

The United States has significantly reduced its staffing in Cuba. Last October, the U.S. State Department trimmed its embassy staff by half.

And this week, Canada decided that its diplomats should no longer bring their families to live with them in the country during their postings. The government said it took this step because of “new information” about the strange symptoms. All current staffers were notified Monday of the decision. Their families will be transported home in the next few weeks.


BEIJING — The State Department issued a health alert to U.S. citizens in China on Wednesday after an American government worker suffered a mild traumatic brain injury following mysterious “sensations of sound and pressure.”

The warning follows the U.S. urging Americans not to visit Cuba following sonic incidents there that sickened 21 embassy staffers and their families, and comes as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo prepares to meet Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Washington later Wednesday to discuss trade.


About the photos and link you posted, I have no idea.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
7. Thank you!
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:50 AM
May 2018

There is no evidence. There's just folks with disparate "symptoms" of "something." Just proves that people are really, truly weird. Put them in a group and there's no telling what they will come up with.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
8. How is this then explained from the article ...
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:14 PM
May 2018
Jinnie Lee, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy in Beijing said the employee reported the symptoms from late 2017 through last month and was eventually taken to the U.S. for further evaluation.

“On May 18, the embassy learned that the clinical findings of this evaluation matched mild traumatic brain injury,” she said. “The department is taking this incident very seriously and is working to determine the cause.”

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
10. Interesting! Thank you, ck4829. Who gains from the accusations? Not "enemy states" Cuba and China.
Wed May 23, 2018, 06:47 PM
May 2018

What would either country have to gain from such silly, sneaky, stupid games?

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
14. Sounds a lot like Operation Northwoods to me. Get the public fired up, then overthrow Cuba
Wed May 23, 2018, 08:28 PM
May 2018

with the full support of the most simple minded among us who can't be bothered to think things through, and ask questions.

Operation Northwoods: US False Flag Attacks to Invade Cuba in 1962
Updated on July 31, 2017

David Hunt

Operation Northwoods

In March 1962 the US Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted preliminary plans to the US Secretary of Defense that included attacking an American military base and launching terrorist attacks in American cities. These and other incidents, under the code name Operation Northwoods, were “False Flag” operations, that is, incidents the US would stage in such a way that blame would fall on Castro's Cuba. In response to Cuba's “aggression”, the United States would then be justified in a massive invasion of Cuba, ridding the Western Hemisphere of a Communist outpost 90 miles off the coast of Florida.



Under the Umbrella of the Cuban Project
After the CIA-supported Bay of Pigs Invasion failed miserably in April 1961, the US started to develop the Cuban Project, an umbrella of covert operations to “help Cuba overthrow the Communist regime” by October 1962. Organized by President Kennedy's brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy and the CIA, the Cuban Project was also known as Operation Mongoose. Operation Northwoods was one of 33 plans that were considered under Operation Mongoose; other plans included tainting Fidel Castro's clothes with thallium salts so his beard would fall out and spraying hallucinogens in the broadcast studio before Castro gave a televised speech.

Operation Northwoods contained nine “pretexts to justify US military intervention in Cuba”.

1. Provoke a Cuban military response
The best outcome would be to harass or trick the Cubans into believing an attack was imminent so they actually attacked US forces first.

2. Stage a Cuban Attack on Guantanamo
Friendly uniformed Cubans could be used to attack the US Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in southeastern Cuba, including actually firing mortars into the base and damaging some infrastructure. Meanwhile, aircraft on the ground inside the base could be sabotaged and burned and a ship sunk in the harbor entrance. “Attacking” Cubans would be captured and mock funerals held for their American victims. The US would respond by attacking Communist Cuban artillery and mortar emplacements near Guantanamo to be followed by large scale military operations.

More:
https://owlcation.com/humanities/Operation-Northwoods-US-False-Flag-Attacks-to-Invade-Cuba-in-1962

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U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
By DAVID RUPPE N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."


More:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

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Operation Northwoods: When the US Joint Chiefs of Staff slid into insanity
BY DOUG POPPA · APRIL 21, 2017 ·

Operation Northwoods: When the US Joint Chiefs of Staff slid into insanity
BY DOUG POPPA · APRIL 21, 2017 · 0 COMMENTS
·


Fifty-five years ago, a top-secret plan was proposed by the United States government to secure support for military intervention against Cuba. A plan that included acts of terrorism, sabotage, murder, treason and other crimes, many of which were proposed to occur on American soil.

I have read plenty of declassified government documents over the years and after reading many of them I found myself screaming out loud, WTF. Operation Northwoods I must tell you, tops them all.

Documents referencing Operation Northwoods surfaced about 20 year ago after being hidden from the American public for almost 40 years.

It is the definitive blueprint for false flag operations. A false flag is a covert operation that is designed to deceive in a way that the activities appear as though they are being carried out by a group or nation other than those who actually planned and executed them.


More:
http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/operation-northwoods-us-joint-chiefs-staff-slid-insanity/2017/04/21

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If you haven't heard of "Operation Mongoose" already, you will perhaps find that material bizarre, and perplexing, and, apparently standard in ways most people have never known!

Operation Mongoose

The Cuban Project, also known as Operation Mongoose, was a covert operation of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that was commissioned in March 1960 during the final year of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's administration. On November 30, 1961, covert operations against Fidel Castro's government in Cuba were officially authorized by President Kennedy and after being given the name Operation Mongoose at a prior White House meeting on November 4, 1961. The operation was led by United States Air Force General Edward Lansdale and went into effect after the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion.

Operation Mongoose was a secret program against Cuba aimed at removing the Communists from power, which was a prime focus of the Kennedy administration.[1] A document from the United States Department of State confirms that the project aimed to "help Cuba overthrow the Communist regime", including its leader Fidel Castro, and it aimed "for a revolt which can take place in Cuba by October 1962". US policymakers also wanted to see "a new government with which the United States can live in peace".[2]

Origins
In 1959, the CIA predicted that Castro would have a difficult time hanging on to the government. The major initial fear was that Castro would demand that a much higher rent be paid by the U.S. for possession of Guantanamo Bay.[3] Early on there was a wait and see approach to judge if Castro was a communist. He was not deemed to be one initially, but his brother Raul was.[4] General C. P. Cabell noted in November 1959 that while Castro was not a communist he allowed free opportunity to the communist party in Cuba to grow and spread its message. Nonetheless, by December plans were already being tossed around between high ranking US Foreign Policy Officials that called for overthrowing the Castro government.[5] An official report from the CIA states that, by March 1960, the United States had already decided that Fidel Castro must be displaced. Due to the United States' fear of repercussions from the United Nations, the plan was kept at the highest level of secrecy, and as thus, "plausible deniability" was made a key focal point in American clandestine service policy.[6]

Formal Authorization for Action

The government formally authorized the operation on March 17, 1960 when President Eisenhower signed off on a CIA paper entitled “A Program of Covert Action Against the Castro Regime.”[7] A declassified report by the Inspector General Lyman Kirkpatrick details the history of the operation, and states that the presidential order gave the agency authorization to create an organization of exiled Cubans to manage opposition programs, begin a “propaganda offensive” to draw support for the movement, create an intelligence gathering network inside Cuba, and to “develop a paramilitary force to be introduced into Cuba to organize, train and lead resistance groups against the Castro regime.[7] The CIA’s budget estimation for this covert operation was approximately $4.4 million.[7] The paper signed by Eisenhower was also the sole report issued by the government throughout the entire project. This highlights the U.S. Government’s secrecy in carrying out the operation as well as its policy of plausible deniability. This program required the agency to work around the clock and collect a large amount of detail-specific information, as well as to cooperate with other agencies.[7] To secure the needed financial backing, the “Bender Group” was developed as an organization that would provide American businessmen a secret avenue through which to trade with Cuban groups.[7] On May 11, 1960, the Bender Group came to an agreement with group called Frente Revolucionario Democratico (FRD).[7] Propaganda activities included using print and radio mediums to broadcast anti-Castro messages. These programs were launched all over Latin America.[7] Large amounts of real estate were purchased by the agency for use in this operation. A base of operations was established in Miami on May 25, by using a “New York career and development firm” and “a Department of Defense contract” as covers.[7] A communications station was also established on June 15 by using an Army operation as a cover.[7] The agency also obtained safe houses all over Miami for different “operational purposes.”[7] The CIA also acquired properties in different US cities and abroad for various reasons.


More:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Project

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JFK Documents Highlight Talks On Clandestine Anti-Cuba Ops
October 27, 20176:25 AM ET

It was the late summer of 1962.

The previous year, the U.S. invasion of the Bay of Pigs, meant to topple the communist regime of Fidel Castro, had been an embarrassing failure.

. . .

Here are some of the possible operations against Cuba. Some are only alluded to, others given a bit more detail. It is not known which, if any, were actually put into practice:

  • An apparent plan to use balloons to drop propaganda leaflets over Cuba: "After considerable discussion, it was agreed that details should be presented to the Group, to include the content of the leaflets which would be dropped, and specifics as to the method and place of launching, the technical details of the release of leaflets, etc., etc."

  • Possible disruption of Cuban radio and TV broadcasts: "Mr. Murrow explained the far-reaching reactions that the Cubans could mount against U.S. radio stations, and said that he felt on balance it would not be profitable to provoke this kind of electronic warfare."


  • More:
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/27/560352638/jfk-documents-highlight-talks-on-clandestine-anti-cuba-ops




    Edward Lansdale, the psy-ops specialist who was active in
    the Phillipines prior to working on Cuba projects, and later
    was involved in the Viet Nam War.

    Any reading about him will be very unpleasantly enlightening.





    Lansdale, middle, with CIA head, Allen Dulles

    PSYWAR in the Philippines | ASWANG of the CIA

    “To the superstitious, the Huk battleground was a haunted place filled with ghosts and eerie creatures.”

    ~Air Force Brigadier General Edward G. Lansdale

    The Hukbalahap Rebellion was a rebellion staged by former Hukbalahap or Hukbo ng Bayan Laban sa Hapon (Anti-Japanese Army) soldiers against the Philippine government. It started during the Japanese occupation of the Philippines in 1942 and continued during the presidency of Manuel Roxas, and ended in 1954 under the presidency of Ramon Magsaysay. Part of the reason this rebellion was able to be ended was the involvement of a famous clandestine commander, Air Force Brigadier General Edward G. Lansdale. A firm believer in the efficacy of “psychological operations” (or PSYOP, for short — the military’s term for propaganda), Lansdale was a pioneering psywarrior.

    Lansdale believed that to successfully implement psychological warfare, you needed a firm understanding of the socio-cultural beliefs and myths of the target. He believed that an exploitation of these mores and beliefs would result in a successfull campaign. Nowhere did Lansdale implement these tactics more ruthlessly than in the Philippines, where he served as the CIA’s chief operative during the early 1950s counterinsurgency campaign against the country’s Huk rebels.

    I’ve heard stories about how Lansdale created “aswang armies”, slaughtered villagers and picked off Huk rebels through vicious attacks. You know how it goes, people love telling stories, and why not add your own spin? I decided to read Lansdale’s memoir, In the Midst of Wars: An American’s Mission to Southeast Asia, and hear his own account of these events.

    Lansdale recalls, “A combat psywar squad was brought in. It planted stories among town residents of an asuang living on the hill where the Huks were based. Two nights later, after giving the stories time to make their way up to the hill camp, the psywar squad set up an ambush along the trail used by the Huks. When a Huk patrol came along the trail, the ambushers silently snatched the last man of the patrol, their move unseen in the dark night. They punctured his neck with two holes, vampire-fashion, held the body up by the heels, drained it of blood, and put the corpse back on the trail. When the Huks returned to look for the missing man and found their bloodless comrade, every member of the patrol believed that the asuang had got him and that one of them would be next if they remained on that hill. When daylight came, the whole Huk squadron moved out of the vicinity.”


    https://www.aswangproject.com/psywar-in-the-philippines-aswang-of-the-cia/

    ~ ~ ~

    Ed Lansdale’s Black Warfare in 1950s Vietnam

    BY MARC D. BERNSTEIN
    2/16/2010



    Colonel Edward Lansdale, chief of the CIA's Saigon Military Mission, meets with Ngo Dinh Diem
    after the CIA entered Vietnam in 1954 to help the pro-Western Vietnamese wage
    political-psychological warfare.
    (Douglas Pike Photo Collection, The Vietnam Archive, Texas Tech Univ.)

    He was, for some, the genius cowboy who sometimes skirts the rules to achieve the just goals of Western democracy; for others, the embodiment of an arrogant foreign policy gone dangerously wrong.


    A bit miffed at his last-minute orders to proceed directly from the Philippines to Vietnam, with no time to return home to Washington to prepare for his new covert mission or visit his family, Colonel Edward Lansdale flew into Saigon in the rattling bucket seat of an amphibian aircraft from the 31st Air-Sea Rescue Squadron. It was the first available flight out of Clark Air Force Base to Saigon, and the crewmen agreed to take him if he didn’t mind the extra flight time while they performed their patrol over the South China Sea. It was June 1, 1954, and as he sipped coffee from a paper cup he thought about what lay ahead. He’d heard about the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu and knew that the French and Viet Minh were working out a peace settlement in Geneva, but beyond that, his knowledge about the country was slim.

    It was at a meeting convened in the Pentagon six months earlier to discuss Vietnam that Secretary of State John Foster Dulles had turned to Lansdale and told him, “We’re going to send you over there,” to which Lansdale replied, “Not to help the French!” No, he was reassured, he would help the Vietnamese put down the Communist-dominated Viet Minh in Indochina. Allen Dulles, director of the Central Intelligence Agency, joined with his brother in backing Lansdale to serve as the founder and chief of the CIA’s Saigon Military Mission (SSM), which was to quietly enter Vietnam and help the pro-Western Vietnamese wage political-psychological warfare.

    The CIA was willing to give Lansdale, a San Francisco advertising executive before World War II, great latitude based on his success in black operations in the Philippines from 1950-53. A U.S. Army officer who transferred his commission to the Air Force after the war, he had helped the Philippine army put down the Hukbalahap (Huk) rebellion. Philippine Communists formed the guerrilla group originally to fight the Japanese in World War II. After Huk efforts to participate in the postwar government were rebuffed and a reportedly fraudulent election took place in 1949, the Huks began their guerrilla war to overthrow the U.S.-backed government. In waging war against the Huks, Lansdale wielded a wide array of counterinsurgency and psywar tools, some playing upon Filipino superstitions. One such successful unconventional tactic exploited villagers’ belief in vampires, another on ghosts of dead Huks. In Lansdale’s “Eye of God” campaign, suspected guerrillas living in a village were targets of psywar teams that surreptitiously painted a menacing eye on a wall facing the suspect’s hut. Although most notorious for these types of psywar operations, it was primarily Lansdale’s application of advertising principles and media manipulation that led to the honest election of Ramon Magsaysay as president in 1953.

    But Vietnam was a different country with much different problems.


    More:
    http://www.historynet.com/ed-lansdales-black-warfare-in-1950s-vietnam.htm

    RKP5637

    (67,108 posts)
    15. That's a VERY INTERESTING perspective. Start to rattle the people incrementally. Cuba and then
    Wed May 23, 2018, 09:05 PM
    May 2018

    China. I would not put anything past the current tRump regime. It could definitely be the beginning of a psywar operation of some nature! Thank you for all of the details!!!

    RKP5637

    (67,108 posts)
    16. Good question. What Judi Lynn posted #14 was also quite interesting! The entire thing
    Wed May 23, 2018, 09:08 PM
    May 2018

    is quite strange.

    kcr

    (15,316 posts)
    12. It's right there in the article
    Wed May 23, 2018, 07:39 PM
    May 2018

    From a link in the article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cuba-mystery-brain-1.4435900

    "Medical testing has revealed the embassy workers developed changes to the white matter tracts that let different parts of the brain communicate, several U.S. officials said, describing a growing consensus held by university and government physicians researching the attacks. White matter acts like information highways between brain cells."

    RKP5637

    (67,108 posts)
    17. Did you have a chance to see what Judi Lynn posted #14. It is all getting a bit strange. I don't
    Wed May 23, 2018, 09:12 PM
    May 2018

    trust this tRump administration one bit. It could be psyops/psywar ... something like that. These are F'en strange times we're living in. So much deceptive sh** all going on at once.

    RKP5637

    (67,108 posts)
    23. It will be interesting when/if it all comes out. The whole thing is pretty strange. Also, see
    Wed May 23, 2018, 09:19 PM
    May 2018

    #14. That is interesting!!! I just do not trust this Trump regime we have in place now at all.

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