Moses Farrow supporting his father Woody Allen

[janterry]

Here's a link to the letter. It's long and powerful. He has spoken out before, but not in this detail. Honestly, I didn't realize the dysfunction in the family had also led to two suicides.

https://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

[aikoaiko]

1. I feel sad for everyone in that family.

I don't know what the truth is and I don't not believe anyone.

[janterry]

3. I think given her history

and what has happened to some of the kids, her relatives, and what has been reported......she's a mess.

Woody Allen was pretty weird for marrying Soon-Yi (okay - way more than weird....that's just hard to even hear about). But, they've been together for many years now - apparently happy.

I wish them all peace.......

[pnwmom]

38. I think given the police reports at the time that he's lying or deluded about his knowledge

of what happened that day.

He wasn't there on the day of the molestation. The police report listed everyone who was there and interviewed them -- including the children.

He wasn't there that afternoon, but now, decades later, he says he was.

[smirkymonkey]

4. I know, I am beginning to think everyone in the family has some degree of mental illness.

I don't know what actually happened, but if you have watched most of Woody's films there is definitely a perviness there that centers around very young girls. I noticed it in almost every single film I watched. It's not always him who is acting it out in the film, many times it is one of his characters, but there is definitely something creepy about him.

[janterry]

7. Sometimes money can get you kids

I wonder about the psychological testing they did on her prior to adoption (or did they do any). There sure are some red flags........and she didn't just adopt a few kids.

I think if it were you or I, they would have scrutinized us a lot more. Her millions made adoption ez.....

[womanofthehills]

17. In the past, I remember Soon-Yi saying she was really mad at Mia for having so many kids

and for not getting much attention from Mia. In total, Mia had 14 kids.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. I'm with you on that.

Profoundly dysfunctional family all around.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Never for one second believed he touched any child in a sexual way.

[janterry]

5. I did in the beginning

but I'm over that. It doesn't make sense.

I think that whole thing with Soon-Yi was pretty awful.....but I've let go of that, too. They've been together a long time.

It's their life.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. I simply looked at the people involved, the fact that NOBODY had EVER

accused Woody of anything REMOTELY like this before was a big part of it.

Kinda like Al Franken who did NOTHING wrong to ANYBODY

[janterry]

8. and why in the middle of a custody battle?

If you're looking for an opportunity - that sure wouldn't have been it......

[mythology]

9. As a reminder, Franken has apologized for how he treated women

Also it's a self-fulfilling prophecy to say that you don't believe the first as that's part of why victims don't come forward.

[Demsrule86]

20. He married his step daughter...he is a POS in my opinion.

And he is most likely the reason for the family dysfunction. It still makes me sick.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

26. She wasn't his stepdaughter

She was Mia and Previn's.

Allen and Mia were never married and he never lived with either of them.

[Crunchy Frog]

43. He was functionally her stepfather.

He and her mother were in a domestic partnership in which they were parenting children together. They operated as a family unit, and she was the sister to children who Woody was father to.

He may not have been legally her stepfather, but in practical terms, he absolutely was. Just plain gross, IMO.

[Demsrule86]

54. Parsing words...he is scum in my opinion.

[Squinch]

27. I'm with you.

[Demsrule86]

56. I love the idea that if you are not 'married' it is ok to screw a person who would be your

step-daughter if you were married. He makes me sick. I have seen the damage sick guys like him cause in families and to children.

[Squinch]

63. How gross is that? Your girlfriend's child. Who you helped raise, who is sister to your children.

That's all pretty gross.

Much MORE gross? The people here who keep defending it.

[Demsrule86]

64. I can't believe people defend this.

It is disgusting.

[pnwmom]

39. I do. And the police report showed that Moses wasn't present in the house that afternooon/evening,

so he doesn't know what happened.

[Demsrule86]

53. It is is sad that he would put this out...Woody Allen is a piece of shit in my opinion. At the least

he destroyed his family by beginning a sexual relationship with his step-daughter.

[Mike Nelson]

10. That was a...

...powerful story. Best wishes to Moses Farrow. Even the most terrible wounds can heal... so, best wishes to all the Farrow family.

[janterry]

11. This is song written by Dory Previn

about Mia -

[Mike Nelson]

15. She has a lovely voice...

… Mia seemed younger even in her 20s... waif-like... and, she was attracted to older men. Andre was also responsible... I wonder if Mia might have a bipolar or alcohol problem; that might explain her tantrums. I imagine she was likely a victim, as a young girl. I hope Moses' story helps bring some healing vibes to the surface.

[karynnj]

19. Thanks for the link - its a beautiful song

[oberliner]

46. Also the author of: "With my Daddy in the Attic"

[janterry]

48. Poor woman, her daddy was mentally ill

Dory Previn was born Dorothy Langan into an Irish-American family in New Jersey in 1925. Her father had been gassed in the Great War and believed himself sterile. As a result, he thought that Dory was not his daughter. His paranoia was so intense that he boarded up the family in the living room for some days and then locked himself in the attic. In her 1970 song, "With My Daddy In The Attic", she wanted to join him: "He wanted me to be a dancer," she told me in 1986, "and he thought it would be amazing if I could do something that nobody else could do. I used to do backbends and pick up handkerchiefs and then one day, he said, 'I have a new idea for the act, you can pick up razor blades.' I always wanted to please him and so I did it. Strange."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/dory-previn-singer-and-songwriter-hailed-for-hersearing-honesty-6945652.html

Such a mess - so many messy families. And they passed on their mess to their children .

Interesting album. I almost think she should have been a poet.

[LisaM]

51. There is another one, too.

It's called "Lemon-Haired Ladies" or something like that.

[lame54]

12. This should be front page news...

I always new it but was not allowed to talk about it

[madaboutharry]

13. What a tragic story.

I don't even know where to begin to process all Moses Farrow wrote in that article.

He seems to be doing fine. I'm sure he has his own family now.

[lame54]

14. I hope Moses reconciles with Woody and Soon Yi...

Who are still together, by the way. Time won out on that one.

[Demsrule86]

21. Well he can't very well divorce her and let her tell her side of the story in my opinion. I dislike

Woody and feel bad for his kids.

[NanceGreggs]

37. Since when does a woman ...

... need to be divorced in order to say anything? She could file for divorce herself - if she wanted to. And she could tell "her side of the story" at any time - if there is one to be told.

Do you always assume that married couples stay together because one of them is trying to prevent the other from "telling their side" of things? Really?

[Demsrule86]

52. She was his step -daughter...I am sorry but that is not a good thing...he is a creep. I have no

doubt he would have dumped her as he did his other wives and girlfriends (of course what he did to Mia Farrow was unconscionable) if she couldn't tell that relations began when she was a minor...that is my opinion. I have no respect and no use for this man. She couldn't tell her side of the story and remain married ...could be money or it could be like many victims...she thinks her self in 'love'. I have seen too much of this...not watching his movies or believing anything he says...he destroyed his family and his kids by his reprehensible behavior. A decent man wouldn't do what he did. I think he is like Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't molest others in that family too.

[grantcart]

16. Wow. Very convincing

[janterry]

34. and he became a therapist

to save the siblings he could not save?
(to save himself?)

[yardwork]

22. Very compelling. I learned a lot I didn't know before.

[janterry]

25. I read through it twice

not just for the information, but for the tone.

So sad - all of it .

[maxsolomon]

23. Where's everyone who was on the Dylan thread months ago?

They should be here arguing against Moses' memories.

Its a clusterfuck, and we will never know the truth of it.

[janterry]

24. It's all pretty terrible

But I guess I'm also surprised that three of her adopted kids are dead.

Bad things happen to everyone, of course. But.......

I can't help but thing she should never have been allowed to adopt that many kids - with as many issues as she seems to have had.

[MaryMagdaline]

29. Still here

Moses left out some very important facts. Woody Allen was undergoing VOLUNTARY therapy before the incident because of "boundary issues" with his 7 year old daughter. Boundary issues. He signed, voluntarily, an agreement that would prevent him from having alone time with Dylan. It was only after the nanny complained to the employer that the whole thing blew up. Allen got a lawyer. The lawyer realized that the signed documents looked like a confession and filed immediately for full custody. In the final opinion, the family court judge ripped Woody because Allen knew absolutely nothing about the children and clearly filed for custody as a legal ploy. It was, in fact, a good legal strategy to defend the potential criminal case. The judge found Mia to be at fault for letting Woody have contact with the children. He was not impressed with the self-imposed therapy to work out boundary issues. He thought Mia should have taken immediate legal action to keep Woody away.

I don't doubt any of moses' abuse accounts. Mia was not a good mother and did not protect her children. One of the things she failed to protect against was the boundary-averse Woody Allen. Likewise, Woody failed to protect Moses. He knew goddamned well his 3 children were hit and punished by Mia, but hay, he brought donuts, right? Not his fault.

The "I would have known if something happened" angle just isn't so. His sister remembers it happening and the nanny remembers it as well. The "my sister would have acted differently if something bad had happened" is also false. One of the worst things about molestation is that the child may not know just how wrong it is when the adult pushes the boundaries bit by bit by bit. Today, Dylan may feel a full-on rage, realizing the violation that had occurred. Her innocence at the time just makes it worse now.

If I were to go up to Moses and say I know damned well your mother never abused you because I saw you laughing and hugging every time I visited the house, that would make me complicit in the abuse.

So Telling his sister she is lying or mis-remembering is not acceptable. I won't say Moses is complicit. He has suffered enough.

[BannonsLiver]

28. I've always thought Mia was a bit of a weirdo

Not really a Woody fan either. Never got the appeal. But it’s interesting to hear another side to the story. The suicides were surprising.

[janterry]

31. we know that if someone in a family

suicides - it increases the risk for other members.

The fact that she discouraged therapy - given her family hx........

and then Moses becomes a therapist. So interesting.

[mcar]

30. I have always been conflicted about this

This letter helps to clarify things. Those poor kids.

[janterry]

32. I really think she shouldn't have been able to adopt like that

they helped her create an image - which is not how it's supposed to work .

Very sad.

[mcar]

33. I knew she had adopted a lot of kids

But that many? Yeah, a red flag to an extent.

[dflprincess]

35. Mia Farrow makes Joan Crawford

sound like Mother of the Year.

[janterry]

45. I never realized how bad she was

but even if you take out the whole Moses thing - she sort of sucked at it

[pnwmom]

40. How come everyone is chiming in supporting him without reading Dylan's response?

There are two sides to this story. And, most important, there is a police report that shows he wasn't present at the house when the molestation was said to have happened. The police listed everyone who was there and interviewed them -- including the children.

Now he claims to have been there. He's imagining he was there, but he wasn't.

Today's article from Vanity Fair gives a very different point of view.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/05/moses-farrow-pens-essay-defending-woody-allen

Though the essay is a lengthy, articulate defense of Allen, it fails to disprove the facts about the sexual-abuse allegation that Vanity Fair contributor Maureen Orth compiled in her two decades of reporting, research, and extensive conversations with family members (including eight Farrow children), as well as authorities with knowledge of the alleged incident and aftermath. Moses does not address, for instance, the fact that “Allen had been in therapy for alleged inappropriate behavior toward Dylan with a child psychologist before the abuse allegation was presented to the authorities or made public.” Per Orth’s 1992 feature, Allen voluntarily sought treatment over two years for his alleged “‘inappropriate’ fatherly behavior toward Dylan”—several disturbing accounts of which are detailed in the report.

Though Moses paints the allegation as a claim manufactured by Mia and drilled into Dylan’s brain out of retribution, Moses does not discuss the fact that Mia never went to the police about the allegation. According to Orth, Mia’s “lawyer told her on August 5, 1992, to take the seven-year-old Dylan to a pediatrician, who was bound by law to report Dylan’s story of sexual violation to law enforcement and did so on August 6.” Even when Allen was in therapy, a family friend told Orth that Mia attempted to keep it out of the media: “She didn’t want Woody’s name tarnished,” the source said.

Moses also does not address the fact that Allen “refused to take a polygraph administered by the Connecticut state police” or explain why Allen instead “took one from someone hired by his legal team.” (Orth reported how the Connecticut state police refused to accept the test as evidence.) Moses claims that the attic—the scene of the alleged assault—was implausible because it was “an unfinished crawl space, under a steeply-angled gabled roof, with exposed nails and floorboards, billows of fiberglass insulation, filled with mousetraps and droppings and stinking of mothballs, and crammed with trunks full of hand-me-down clothes and my mother’s old wardrobes.” He does not explain why, then, according to Orth, “Allen changed his story about the attic where the abuse allegedly took place. First, Allen told investigators he had never been in the attic where the alleged abuse took place. After his hair was found on a painting in the attic, he admitted that he might have stuck his head in once or twice. A top investigator concluded that his account was not credible.”

SNIP

On Wednesday afternoon, Dylan Farrow responded to the essay, tweeting, “As I said when he last made these claims, this is an attempt to deflect from a credible allegation made by an adult woman, by trying to impugn my mother who has only ever been supportive of me and my siblings. It’s easily disproven, contradicts years of his own statements, is beyond hurtful to me personally, and is part of a larger effort to discredit and distract from my assault. My brother is a troubled person. I’m so sorry he’s doing this.”

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

41. So Dylan calls Moses a liar re: abuse by her mom

So much for the "believe every accuser" stance.

[pnwmom]

49. He is using those claims to discredit her accusation against Woody.

It would be different if he weren't taking Woody's side against her, and falsely claiming to have been there that day and to know what happened.

The police report includes interviews of all the adults and children who were there that afternoon, including 2 adult babysitters (one employed by another family). Moses wasn't among them.

Ronan Farrow WAS there that day, and he supports Dylan's account.

[janterry]

44. I have read that

n/t

[pnwmom]

50. Then why did you only post the one side?

[Demsrule86]

57. It is credible that he molested Dylan when you consider his behavior with the other girl.

I have seen abused kids attempt to curry favor with their abusive parents...not uncommon.

[jberryhill]

42. How is Woody's health these days?

[oberliner]

47. Scarlett Johansson dines with Woody Allen

Scarlett Johansson still won’t renounce Woody Allen.

She stood by the Woodman — and caught flak for it — in 2014 when the director’s daughter Dylan claimed in an open letter that he had molested her.

On Friday night, at Come Prima on Madison Avenue, she had dinner with the auteur, who directed her in “Scoop,” “Match Point” and “Vicky Cristina Barcelona.”

Also at the Italian eatery were “The Sopranos” creator David Chase and “Quarter to Three” singer Gary U.S. Bonds.

https://pagesix.com/2018/05/21/scarlett-johansson-dines-with-woody-allen/

[jberryhill]

65. It's never a bad idea to make sure one is in good graces with one's elderly relatives

[MFM008]

55. I have very clear

Memories of being molested at age 7 by a babysitter.
The whole situation in that family is awful.

[MaryMagdaline]

61. So horrible

Peace to you

[MFM008]

62. Ty

[LisaM]

58. The whole menage always seemed sad.

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I remember from when they were together, you'd see them on the news, and the kids always seemed unhappy. In fact, everyone seemed unhappy. The kids didn't like look like kids: they seemed as if they never went outside and played (I don't know that they didn't, they just didn't look as if they had). It reminds me of how Angelina Jolie seems to be addicted to collecting kids. It's not really normal. And look at how unmoored they all are now. Ronan Farrow seems off to me, too, even if he's doing important work.

[janterry]

60. I've always disliked Jolie

I don't like the entitled way they can adopt. I support adoption, of course, and know a lot about it - personally and a bit professionally.

But the way they go about it seems more about them, not the kids.

[MoonRiver]

59. So, is Moses the only one of all those kids who supports Woody?

Seems if the maternal abuse had been that bad, others would have spoken out by now, 25 years later. Also, I read upthread that a police report placed Moses OUT of the house during the alleged molestation. If correct, that destroys his whole argument.