Auto had an entire Nativity scene bolted down to the dashboard. In May.These kooks voted for Trump.

[jodymarie aimee]

I had to go to church this AM to fill up my holywater container...and oh my, there was a brand new gold car covered with abortion stickers...and I mean covered. Bumpers, doors, windows, body...As I got closer, they had an entire Nativity scene bolted down to the dashboard. In May...These kooks voted for Trump...DEMS lost that messaging decades ago...OUR BAD...

[Tipperary]

1. No pic?

[jodymarie aimee]

2. I don't own a cell phone

or camera...maybe I will borrow one, as this was really something to see!!

[BSdetect]

3. What does holywater do for you?

Does it really exist?

[Kirk Lover]

4. That's not nice. nt

[NCTraveler]

6. Yes, it exists.

It's water that has been blessed by a member of the clergy or a religious figure.

I bet you are a blast in the pickle isle.

[BSdetect]

27. It a clergy person was found to have been abusing children for decades would that

invalidate all the holy water he created during that time?

When you believe fairy tales anything is possible.

[NCTraveler]

30. I do not know. I doubt it.

I don’t think there can be a tracking mechanism.

[sarah FAILIN]

31. Really...

Their belief is more important than your disbelief or even the possible sins of a clergy person.

This is what they call thin ice btw..

[BSdetect]

32. Their refusal to question their beliefs is not more important than my right to ask questions.

Don't be absurd. Religion is garbage. God made the devil? Hilarious.

[Drahthaardogs]

41. I bet you're the kind of DUer who is vehemently oppossed

To anti-muslim sentiment.

[IluvPitties]

7. Let religious DUers be happy and believe in whatever they want.

[lunatica]

8. What does getting in someone's face over religion do for you?

It’s none of your business unless someone (which it is none of their business to do) questions your beliefs. Just like you’re doing now.

[jodymarie aimee]

15. Our Dad is a Catholic priest

I was raised very Catholic....12 years of Nuns for teachers....I can take it or leave it...However, I do use holywater every day....when I testified against Walker's 2014 Budget I covertly sprinkled the room. I testified and the entire room gave me a standing ovation. These were the City and County Members who we had to convince to get $10.10 min wage and Badgercare(Medicaid to you) on Nov Referendum. We did it !!! I was in the paper and on TV, too...big hero...

Nobody is offending me...but the POINT of OP is we lost those Catholic voters due to the Rs beating us on messaging RE:Abortion...2 times for Bush and now this pig..

[musette_sf]

17. Your Dad is a Catholic priest??

How does that work? Did he leave the Church to marry?

[jodymarie aimee]

19. He married Mom and had 7 kids..

in the late 70s the young ones weren't going into the priesthood..so bishops opened it up to the laity. Dad was in his 40s and he went back to theology school, and was ordained. He got to keep Mom, as he already had her...But no women after her. He had 2 churches in WI, then retired to AZ and helped at a parish there.

He baptized all his grands, (in addition to regular folks) and married my brother...kind of neat. He hated his jobs until then, went into the clergy.....he really blossomed. Folks loved him, as he could actually counsel folks RE; marriage, etc....he told jokes, Packer shit, etc...his homilies were very real. No fire and brimstone crap. He finally found what he was meant to do.

I myself don't attend church regularly...but when I do, I get into it..

[Volaris]

28. I've heard that that can happen...

Mom always told me that if you were Lutheran clergy (therefore, allowed to marry) and then converted, you could actually be a married Catholic priest.

I won't see it in my lifetime, but opening the RC clergy to married men and WOMEN would be a thing to behold.

[GusBob]

38. That is very interesting

If you don't mind my asking what part of Wisconsin?

I am a fallen Catholic here, but was educated by the Norbertines in Green Bay and Jesuits elsewhere until the age of 21. I went to mass nearly everyday in high school and college. ( the teachers said Mass and for some reason I found myself getting a lot of good grades from the ones who saw me at church all the time)

[jodymarie aimee]

39. Stevens Point

Bishop placed Dad at St. Mary's of Torun, then St. Mary's of Custer. He had to quit his straight job, and sell the house. Mom didn't care for moving out of her dream house to a ratty old church house.

[NCTraveler]

5. That sounds truly amazing.

OUR BAD

[dawg]

9. Are you a ... gulp ...

vampire slayer?

[lunatica]

10. Stupidly unnecessary comment

A person’s religious beliefs are none of your business.

[dawg]

11. It was only a joke.

I was being playful.

I'm religious myself.

If my little joke was disrespectful, then making fun of people who have a car with a nativity scene is also disrespectful.

[lunatica]

12. I believe you

But only after you responded to me. It wasn’t clear at all from your initial response.

I don’t agree with your idea that the OP was making fun of the others’ religious beliefs as much as making fun of the extremely ostentatious display of that belief on every inch of their car. People who decorate their cars in extreme ways want commentary and the attention it generates. The OP did not insult their religion. She indicated she is religious herself. She simply reacted to their display.

[dawg]

13. Oh, I agree about the OP. I don't think the OP was being disrespectful either.

I read the original post as a somewhat playful commentary about someone else's over-the-top car, and I responded with a silly joke of my own.

[jodymarie aimee]

16. I got thicker skin than that

but the point was NOT my errand, it was losing Catholic voters because DEMs lost the messaging....

[dawg]

18. I think I'm technically an evangelical.

And, of course, most of us are fully aboard the Trump Train.

It's frustrating. It's like they think there are only two sins - abortion and being gay.

Nothing else seems to matter to them.

[jodymarie aimee]

20. YUP

like I said DEMs fucked up our message. We are the good guys, we let the Rs paint us as ANTI life and baby killers...and it stuck..1 issue voters...

[dawg]

21. Yeah. I don't know how we get those folks back.

Some of them are surely lost for good.

[mahina]

35. Well said!

I never thought about that. Good point.

[Mariana]

24. What message do you think would attract

Catholics (and Protestants, for that matter) who are rabidly anti-choice to vote for pro-choice Democrats?

[jodymarie aimee]

25. NONE now...

we lost that opportunity with Bush....they beat us at messaging..we wait until the old ones die and hope for sanity with the young ones.

[rusty fender]

33. So tell us,

what should our messaging on abortion have been?

[mahina]

37. You didn't ask me, but if you did,

I think the 'keep the government out of my personal life' argument would be solid.

Since it's such a heartfelt core belief in so many other matters, and thinking otherwise about choice is obviously not consistent.

Consistant?

Also, the stories of so many older women who remember vividly examples such as:
The public health nurse who used to see women come in to the clinic with 5,6,7,more kids trailing behind who tried to self-abort and suffered sepsis and died.

The women who were in no way ready to carry or give birth to a child who then went to an illegal back alley abortionist and died or was permanently sterile.

The idea that we've already learned what happens to women who are prevented from having legal abortions and it ends up with women sick or dead.

Safe, legal and rare is a pretty solid argument. My .02

[rusty fender]

42. Thanks for your reply!

I think your approach would have been very good; unfortunately our politicians were too timid to be honest about abortion, and as another poster remarked, we would never have made inroads with the hardcore anti choice crowd

[Volaris]

29. We lost Catholic voters when our Church stopped preaching Poverty Gospel,

And sided with the loons who thought every other homily should be about how women are property. The gospel of Christ still exists yes, but if I attend mass somewhere and that homily is about guilt instead of redemption, I don't go back.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. OP makes fun of nativity scene. Responders make fun of holy water. Other responders get mad at

those making fun of the holy water. Okay.

And Catholics were losing their shit over abortion before Trump. Not really interested in bending over backward for anti-choice and anti-abortion voters, myself.

[jodymarie aimee]

23. I wasn't making fun of Nativity scene...rather the idiot Catholics who vote Repub...

1 issue voters...and it began with Bush...

man, you guys get stuck on trivia !!!

[Cartoonist]

26. It began with Roe v Wade

And there was nothing the Dems could do about the anti-abortion crowd.

[mahina]

34. I have to agree that we shouldn't have lost that debate. The other guys went so low, and people

got really delicate about discussing issues of womens' health.

I was actually able to change an antichoice ranter's mind, at least while we were sitting together.

What did it was asking about a mother with little children who is carrying a baby who doesn't live, and the laws would force her to carry it till it was born, which would kill her, as happened to that poor woman in Ireland who died.

If I remember all that correctly.

In the mind of the woman I was sitting with, a woman's life was only her own to choose if there would be a loss to the little kids she left behind, not otherwise. Really alarming idea but I stayed on point, for once.

Bet she won't start up an antichoice rant while waiting at the bridal shop again. I hope!

[Tipperary]

36. You really fill up a holy water container?

Or am I missing a joke somehow.

[DFW]

40. A pro-choice friend is running for office in anti-choice Iowa. He found a great argument

He told me that he got confronted by anti-choice voters all the time, and he has an arsenal of biblical quotes (with chapter and verse) that support a valid argument for choice within Christianity. He says he actually turned several hostile voters who came for a confrontation, and got a rational discussion instead (and maybe a few votes in the bargain).

Fair warning--don't EVER use the phony term "pro-life" on me unless you are actively engaged in opposing the death penalty and are vegetarian. Pro-choice does NOT mean "pro-abortion," and "pro-life" does not mean "pro-life."