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demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
Fri May 25, 2018, 03:12 PM May 2018

A songbird and sunshine: Meghan Markle's coat of arms unveiled

Source: CNN



London (CNN)The Duchess of Sussex has been bestowed with a coat of arms, days after her royal wedding to Prince Harry, Kensington Palace announced Friday.

Emblazoned with personal touches like the golden poppies from her home state, California, and wintersweet, which grows at her new residence, Kensington Palace, the coat of arms was designed by the College of Arms and approved by Britain's Queen Elizabeth.

The blue background of the shield itself represents the Pacific Ocean off the Californian coast, while the two golden rays across the shield are symbolic of the Golden State.

A Coat of Arms has been created for The Duchess of Sussex: https://t.co/mJb3mqZfaZ pic.twitter.com/0EgbiS29Rb
— Kensington Palace (@KensingtonRoyal) May 25, 2018

The figures on either side of the shield, known as supporters, are a songbird and a golden lion wearing a crown.

"It is customary for Supporters of the shield to be assigned to Members of the Royal Family, and for wives of Members of the Royal Family to have one of their husband's Supporters and one relating to themselves," Kensington Palace said in a statement. "The Supporter relating to The Duchess of Sussex is a songbird with wings elevated as if flying and an open beak, which with the quill represents the power of communication."


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/europe/duchess-sussex-meghan-markle-coat-of-arms-intl/index.html
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A songbird and sunshine: Meghan Markle's coat of arms unveiled (Original Post) demmiblue May 2018 OP
I yawned at this. Goodheart May 2018 #1
Oh. n/t demmiblue May 2018 #2
I apologize. Goodheart May 2018 #4
You should post it. n/t demmiblue May 2018 #6
I'm not falling for that! LOL Goodheart May 2018 #7
I had no ill intentions. demmiblue May 2018 #8
Here's one I prepared earlier canetoad May 2018 #29
True story. I was admiring "Guernica" in the Museum of Modern Art ... kwassa May 2018 #40
I saw it there too. Breathtaking, and it took a long time to take it all in. brush May 2018 #45
Yep, heard that before canetoad May 2018 #50
Well, I love it. Goodheart May 2018 #61
Interesting. Though I am not sure I like the crown around the songbird's neck lol. Tipperary May 2018 #3
That's because the crown chokes the songbird. Dave Starsky May 2018 #12
Crown around the bird's neck CharleyDog May 2018 #15
Welcome to DU, CharleyDog! calimary May 2018 #19
And a unicorn! catrose May 2018 #24
It probably indicates that she doesn't have a title in her family lunatica May 2018 #28
It's a coronet sarge43 May 2018 #30
Correct! canetoad May 2018 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author hedda_foil May 2018 #60
The lion has something on his neck too. Plus a crown. It does Luz May 2018 #36
It could be to show she isn't from a titled family lunatica May 2018 #27
Exactly. I'm a medievalist and the visual complexity of symbols like this during that period is just anneboleyn May 2018 #38
Out of curiosity can you tell me if lunatica May 2018 #41
Here's an article comparing Catherine's and Meghan's. tammywammy May 2018 #54
Thanks! lunatica May 2018 #56
I saw it as restraint, or deference to the Crown. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #34
House Arryn & House Lannister??? n/t Yavin4 May 2018 #5
or Baelish? eShirl May 2018 #10
No more Baelish (show anyway -- who knows if George ever finishes another book) anneboleyn May 2018 #13
He won't ever finish the books. Yavin4 May 2018 #53
Well, I love it. I study medieval literature so I have always loved the pageantry of coats of arms anneboleyn May 2018 #9
I love all it represents, from traditional to the inclusion of the personal in Markel herself. Wwcd May 2018 #11
That California touch is REALLY nice! calimary May 2018 #20
Heraldry has been called the short hand of history sarge43 May 2018 #31
I'm not against royalty in any way lunatica May 2018 #14
Not that I would know, but I've heard that "royals" have known a bit of debauchery in their lives... erronis May 2018 #16
Yeah, but would they grace the front page of rags and lunatica May 2018 #18
I don't think she is sacrificing anything. Silver Gaia May 2018 #21
Maybe you're right lunatica May 2018 #25
I love it, too! Silver Gaia May 2018 #17
This is really quite charming. Meghan & Harry's wedding has been the one bright spot... Hekate May 2018 #22
Yes. murielm99 May 2018 #37
next she can get a star named after her, registered in the copyright office in msongs May 2018 #23
I see what you did there... GulfCoast66 May 2018 #39
I'm trying to research the bird's crown, but the best I can come up with so far is "dignity" Hekate May 2018 #26
I believe the crown at the neck is a very direct symbol. Lucinda May 2018 #33
Thank you! That makes a lot of sense. nt Hekate May 2018 #42
Good points! Yes, that makes sense. Thank you. Silver Gaia May 2018 #47
The crown at the neck is in all these royal coat of arms tammywammy May 2018 #55
Very nice, I love the references to the Golden State California. appalachiablue May 2018 #32
Me too Raine May 2018 #44
I'm not a native Californian, but I am a Californian by choice. Silver Gaia May 2018 #48
It's so appropriate now with The Golden State in A Golden Age, truly! appalachiablue May 2018 #49
I mentioned in post 33 what I think the crown at the neck means, and I LOVE the wintersweet Lucinda May 2018 #35
Despite my ambivalence to the Royals and all that implies, BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #43
Very cool, beautiful and unlike Raine May 2018 #46
Coat of Arms of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, wife of Charles, Prince of Wales :) Donkees May 2018 #51
Interesting ... very fierce Raine May 2018 #52
The blue boar is taken from her father's coat of arms. n/t tammywammy May 2018 #57
Thanks for that info Raine May 2018 #59

Goodheart

(5,318 posts)
4. I apologize.
Fri May 25, 2018, 03:37 PM
May 2018

I shouldn't have said anything... I find the notion of "royalty" utterly silly so made a bad joke, but I certainly don't fault anybody for taking pleasure in anything harmless in this short and precious life. For example, I just drew a yawn-inducing silly picture of my dog, Picasso style.

canetoad

(17,149 posts)
29. Here's one I prepared earlier
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:27 PM
May 2018

I actually did this a couple of years ago and had it sitting on the computer. Dogs are Nelson, Willie and Rosie.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
40. True story. I was admiring "Guernica" in the Museum of Modern Art ...
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:19 PM
May 2018

A weekday in the 80s. Possibly the most famous painting of the 20th century.

I was alone in the gallery, except for the guard keeping his eye on me.

Then this middle age woman came sweeping around the corner, stopped in front of the painting, and in a thick Bronx accent, which I can barely imitate, said;

"They cawl this AHT? They cawl this AHT? My two year old nephew could do bettah than this!"

The guard and I burst out laughing. She looked indignant and charged away.

canetoad

(17,149 posts)
50. Yep, heard that before
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:31 PM
May 2018

And you don't know whether to laugh or cry. The magnificent Jackson Pollock "Blue Poles" was at our State Gallery and I heard, "A kindergarten kid could do that." Bloody philistines!

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
3. Interesting. Though I am not sure I like the crown around the songbird's neck lol.
Fri May 25, 2018, 03:33 PM
May 2018

Pretty coat of arms though.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
12. That's because the crown chokes the songbird.
Fri May 25, 2018, 03:59 PM
May 2018

I can't think of any other reason why they'd put it there.

CharleyDog

(757 posts)
15. Crown around the bird's neck
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:42 PM
May 2018

I was wondering the same thing. Why the crown around the bird's neck? Guessing... the duchess will never wear the crown, but she is now in the royal family, hence the crown is not on the head (?)

calimary

(81,193 posts)
19. Welcome to DU, CharleyDog!
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:59 PM
May 2018

Not sure what that means. The Middletons got a coat-of-arms, too, for their Duchess Kate. It has acorns on it, reflecting the oak trees on the Middletons' estate. Her parents gave her a wedding gift of earrings with acorns suspended from little oak leaves and studded with little diamonds, reflecting the family's new coat-of-arms. Kinda sweet, I thought. But then again, the whole British royalty thing fascinates me (as do the fascinators!).

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
28. It probably indicates that she doesn't have a title in her family
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:27 PM
May 2018

nothing nefarious is intended. Maybe it’s not on the dove’s head because it is specifically showing she married into royalty but did not come from a family that had a coat of arms.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
30. It's a coronet
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:28 PM
May 2018

Monarchs and queen consorts have crowns on their arms. Children of monarchs, children of the heir apparent and peers have coronets.

I believe you're essentially correct. As she is none of the above in her own right, but as the consort of a h. app the coronet could be displayed. It didn't have to be, but it is a nice touch.

Response to sarge43 (Reply #30)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
27. It could be to show she isn't from a titled family
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:25 PM
May 2018

It would be interesting to see the coat of arms of commoners marrying into royalty or titled families have something similar.

The coat of arms is supposed to tell a story of that person that anyone can “read” and in this case who that person married, by combining features from both families. It has a reason to be created.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
38. Exactly. I'm a medievalist and the visual complexity of symbols like this during that period is just
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:11 PM
May 2018

fascinating. As you said a family had its history encoded in these oats of arms, and it is fascinating to look at major figures from this period, such as the astonishing “she-wolf” of France Eleanor of Aquitaine’s coat of arms and what it says about her history.

As people are saying Meghan herself won’t ever be queen so this representation of the crown is traditional. I love the California references — and a songbird for Meghan is beautiful.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
41. Out of curiosity can you tell me if
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:22 PM
May 2018

there are other coats of arms of similar marriages and how the crown is depicted on the commoner’ side?

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
53. He won't ever finish the books.
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:47 PM
May 2018

The show will do that for him. There will forever be a bitter divide among the fans.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
9. Well, I love it. I study medieval literature so I have always loved the pageantry of coats of arms
Fri May 25, 2018, 03:43 PM
May 2018

— there are fascinating appearances of coats of arms, family sigils, in medieval history and literature. The visual symbolism is very sophisticated.

This is very pretty and the California twist is cool! This (the beautiful wedding) has been about the only thing making me happy recently since the news is so fcking depressing so thank you!

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
11. I love all it represents, from traditional to the inclusion of the personal in Markel herself.
Fri May 25, 2018, 03:48 PM
May 2018

It's honorable, beautiful & just very cool!

Well done Duchess

calimary

(81,193 posts)
20. That California touch is REALLY nice!
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:02 PM
May 2018

I think we ALL needed that pleasant, entertaining, and genuinely happy diversion - from these grim times holding us hostage. It was a real joy watching all those hours of live television - and not a SINGLE mention of donald trump. Can you say "RELIEF!!!!" Not ONE WORD! He probably hated it, especially having not been invited. And that just makes it all the better.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
31. Heraldry has been called the short hand of history
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:36 PM
May 2018

You're right. When you how to read them, arms can tell you a lot. The Spanish royal arms are precis of Spanish history.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
14. I'm not against royalty in any way
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:37 PM
May 2018

But it strikes me as funny in my own twisted way to think that Meghan Merkle is sacrificing a life of possible interesting debauchery for a stiff upper lip future as Princess. Dull Glam or Fabulous Fun?

erronis

(15,222 posts)
16. Not that I would know, but I've heard that "royals" have known a bit of debauchery in their lives...
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:45 PM
May 2018

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. Yeah, but would they grace the front page of rags and
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:56 PM
May 2018

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have the world drag them through every kind of scandal if they could just debauch freely?

Silver Gaia

(4,542 posts)
21. I don't think she is sacrificing anything.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:04 PM
May 2018

Her choices in the wedding ceremony made that clear to me. The Queen obviously accepts her for who she is and seems to adore her (she even let Megan's doggie ride in her car!). I think Megan's role will be not to stiffen her own upper lip, but to soften theirs, and I think the Queen approves. (The young Queen portrayed in "The Crown" often questioned tradition and did her best to toss off its yoke.) And all of that aside, she is truly in love with Harry and he with her. (And that in itself spits in the eye of royal tradition.)

Silver Gaia

(4,542 posts)
17. I love it, too!
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:50 PM
May 2018

I find it interesting that they chose to honor not the country of her birth, but the state she is from. The touches this choice lends are bright and pretty, like the woman herself, and soften the overall aura of the shield. I, too, am unsure why they chose to place the crown around the bird's neck rather than upon its head. That's the only part I feel looks odd, though.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
22. This is really quite charming. Meghan & Harry's wedding has been the one bright spot...
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:08 PM
May 2018

...in an unutterably dreary day after day news cycle.

murielm99

(30,730 posts)
37. Yes.
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:08 PM
May 2018

I think we all needed this. And I have no problem with British royalty. Let people have their traditions. The royal family actually brings in a lot of tourist money for GB.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
26. I'm trying to research the bird's crown, but the best I can come up with so far is "dignity"
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:23 PM
May 2018

It's an arcane subject.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
33. I believe the crown at the neck is a very direct symbol.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:53 PM
May 2018

The balance of her supporter (the feathers for communication, the open beak of the song bird, the wings showing the bird about to take flight) are all about actively using her position to champion the causes she chooses. The crown, rather than sitting decoratively on the birds head, is drawing attention to the throat - another indicator that she will actively use her royal status to speak for what she believes in.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
55. The crown at the neck is in all these royal coat of arms
Fri May 25, 2018, 08:27 PM
May 2018
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/965188/meghan-markle-coat-of-arms-pictures-Princess-Diana-Kate-Middleton-royal-news

I don't think it symbolizes anything. Probably just that it's more flattering there than at the top of the animal's head.

appalachiablue

(41,118 posts)
32. Very nice, I love the references to the Golden State California.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:41 PM
May 2018

But no symbols for the (lost) US, 'the American Colonies.' Lol.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
35. I mentioned in post 33 what I think the crown at the neck means, and I LOVE the wintersweet
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:57 PM
May 2018

I think the flower has very personal, and romantic, meaning for Meghan and Harry.
One report said that it grows in their garden at Nottingham Cottage. Harry picked springs of the greenery to put in her bridal bouquet and now we see it again in a prominent place on this really beautiful coat of arms.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
43. Despite my ambivalence to the Royals and all that implies,
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:44 PM
May 2018

I quite like this story of Megan and her Prince. Very fairytale.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
46. Very cool, beautiful and unlike
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:00 PM
May 2018

Trump's it's Meghan's own that she's entitled to she didn't steal someone else's.

Donkees

(31,367 posts)
51. Coat of Arms of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, wife of Charles, Prince of Wales :)
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:32 PM
May 2018

Coat of Arms of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, wife of Charles, Prince of Wales (2005-present)

Raine

(30,540 posts)
52. Interesting ... very fierce
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:41 PM
May 2018

doesn't have the beautiful and gentleness of Meghan's. The boar being chained with the crown around the neck to the land definitely means something.

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