Maggie Haberman (NYT) under fire for calling Trump's lies "falsehoods" while calling Hillary a liar

[Americanno]

Today Trump was proved to have lied about the New York Times having faked an interview with a White House official.

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But model Chrissy Teigen noted that Trump's "demonstrable falsehoods" are nothing but lied:

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Many on Twitter have noted that Maggie Haberman had no problem calling the Hillary campaign/DNC liars:

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Teigen argues that Ms. Haberman is terrified of losing access to the White House:

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[Cha]

1. Euuu.. better watch OUT Haberman! Don't want to

ruffle trump's fucking chickenfeathers.. he'll be calling you "FAKE LIAR" soon.

Good on Christine..

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[JI7]

2. she really is a piece of shit

[triron]

17. She is a closet Trumper.

[JI7]

3. but some people would rather act like the problem is democrats like Adam Schiff

rather than the fucked up media .

[sharedvalues]

7. It's both.

Our centrist media is profit seeking and bothsidesist. We have major problems with our media preferring to report what people said rather than what is actually true.


But we ALSO have a major problem with the Democrats being terrible at modern public relations. Avenatti can do it. The Parkland kids can do it. The Republicans can do it. Why can’t the Democrats do it? What the Dems need to do: all use the same repetitive talking points until their ideas take hold in the media. Just like the GOP does. Why is this so hard?

[JI7]

10. Avenatti can do what ? He isn't running for public office

Parkland kids have not been able to change gun laws.

[sharedvalues]

19. Parkland kids have changed the debate

So has Avenatti.

[kcr]

12. People with their arms tied behind their back have really terrible manual dexterity!

Why is their handwriting so terrible? They should try harder!

[sharedvalues]

20. Yes surrogates are useful

That’s why McConnell and Ryan don’t do that much TV and leave it to others like Jordan and Gaetz and the rest of the other crazy Republican bought-by-billionaire sellouts.

But the Democrats could EASILY use the same strategy.

What the Dems need to do is coordinate talking points. Repetition is necessary. So they all need to say the same things. Like the GOP does. This is why the Dems are losing the PR battle.

[applegrove]

4. Dyslexics like Trump have a small working memory which is like a holding pen for narratives

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or events that have happened. In an instant it might not allow for all the narratives of the day, week or year to fit into it. They have good long term and episodic memories but this information is not at the forefront. With this limited tank of narratives in their working memory the dyslexic might then come up with a big picture on what is in the tank at that moment. This makes dyslexics creative as they look at things varying assumptions. They go all in with what is immediately in the tank. They then do a big picture in an instant. There is a chance that they come up with some novel or very insightful idea. There is a chance they are just wrong. If they are going to look at things with various assumptions in their small tank they are going to be right some of the time. Wrong some of the time. They then palate clense and their tank is a clean room. Wait a little while and their tank fills up again with a mix of new narratives and some new and old assumptions. Then they do a big picture in that instance again and come up with a different synthesis. Over a few days they might do a big picture on all the smaller synthesi that test with reality perfectly and come up with a big picture which is the thing dyslexics are best at. Their tank often includes narratives or events that are off to the side that normal people miss. So dyslexic are big dynamic big picture machines. If they have values which Trump does not. If they have empathy that Trump does not, the empathy is other people's narratives which are included in the tank. Dyslexics usually have both these things on spades. Trump is not lying Maggie is saying, he just could not find the proper answer in his tank in that moment. And he was all in. Ask him later and it might be in there. I know. I am dyslexic. Same thing with the 'lie that he never stayed in a hotel when he was in Moscow. His night there alone was just not in his tank when he was talking about it is my guess. And he was all in on that. I could be wrong. For sure Trump does lie alot when he is well aware that 'respecting the flag' at football games is really about keeping racism alive in the GOP base. He is a sleazy salesman. I think that Trump is so 'hypothesis oriented' should be a question for people too. Not just his lies.

[Ilsa]

8. That is a very interesting comment about his working memory.

Do you think his working memory expand through disciplined cognitive exercise? I suppose it is too late for that.

It scares me to think how limited his thought processes are. He's definitely not cut out for the chess moves on the world political stage.

[applegrove]

16. No. I think it remains that way so dyslexics can be creative and always

looking at things from various assumptions. And warning the tribe if something is wrong. Of course Trump has no underlying values and his tribe is not all Americans but only his rich friends. And he is warning against middle class and poor americans and american allies. Some dyslexics have bigger working memories. Like Einstein. Still his colleagues complained he did not memorize some maths. So relatively he had a smaller working memory than other geniuses. Then again dyslexic use episodic memory and keep narratives separate so maybe they are just dealing with raw primary data.

[Achilleaze]

5. Sad

So few journalists have the guts to write the truth about the KGOP kristofascist machine, Inc. (R) which is destroying American democracy.

Free clue for republicans and journalists: A lie is a lie is a lie.

[MoonRiver]

6. I've never trusted Haberman.

[mythology]

9. So is the theory that Teigen is concerned Trump won't understand the big words

Because last time I checked falsehood was a synonym for lie.

[dsc]

11. they may be synonyms but they aren't the same

I can tell a falsehood by accident not so with a lie.

[MelissaB]

13. Maggie has deep ties to Trump. Poke the Bear

http://www.citjourno.org/maggie1

[MelissaB]

15. If you are surprised about Maggie, Poke the Fucking Bear. Just do it.

From the above article:

A search in The New York Times’ digital archive with the terms “Hillary” and “emails” for which Maggie Haberman was listed as an author, written between 1/1/2015 and 11/8/2016 returned 68 results.


Here are search results for articles published between 1/1/2015 and 11/8/2016, on which Maggie Haberman was listed as an author:


“Hillary” and “Email server” 53 results.
“Hillary” and “Benghazi” 41 results.
“Hillary” and "Gennifer Flowers" 3 results.
“Hillary” and “Lewinsky” 3 results.
“Hillary” and “Whitewater” 4 results.
“Hillary” and "Sexual assault" 8 results.
“Hillary” and “Untrustworthy” 4 results.
“Trump” and “Untrustworthy” 1 result.
“Trump” and "Sexual assault" 8 results.
“Trump” and “Bankruptcy” 3 results.
“Donald Trump” and “Roy Cohn” 1 result.
“Trump” and “Sater” 0 results. Remove Maggie as author requirement, and only 2 results are returned.
“Trump” and “Mafia” 0 results.
“Trump” and “Bayrock” 0 results.
“Trump” and “Arif” 0 results.
“Trump” and “Mashkevich” 0 results.
“Trump” and “Soho” 2 results.
“Trump” and “Apprentice” and “Racism” 0 results.
"Trump" and “Housing” and "Bias" and "FBI" 0 results.
"Trump" and "Access Hollywood" 2 results.
“Trump” and "Katie Johnson" 0 results.
“Trump” and “Epstein” 0 results.
“Trump” and “Underage” 0 results.
“Russian” and “Mafia” 0 results.
“Manafort” and “Firtash” 0 results.
“Manafort” and “Ukraine” 4 results.
“Manafort” and “Mafia” 0 results.
“Manafort” and “Yanukovych” 3 results.

[dalton99a]

14. Maggie Haberman doesn't give a shit about truth. All she cares about is access to power.

[lapucelle]

18. And Maggie continues to work with Glenn Thrush

"Sexual harassment claims against yet another powerful man in media inspired New York Times White House correspondent Glenn Thrush to post an impassioned note on his Facebook page in October, calling on his fellow journalists to stand by women entering the field.

In the post, which linked to an article about the latest accusations against political journalist Mark Halperin, Thrush wrote, “Young people who come into a newsroom deserve to be taught our trade, given our support and enlisted in our calling — not betrayed by little men who believe they are bigger than the mission.”

It was a noble statement — but some Washington journalists I spoke to say it rings hollow, given Thrush’s own behavior with young women in the industry."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/20/16678094/glenn-thrush-new-york-times

"NYT angers and puzzles some journalists by keeping accused sexual harasser Glenn Thrush"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/21/the-new-york-times-angers-and-puzzles-some-journalists-by-keeping-accused-sexual-harasser-glenn-thrush/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.42e403524982

Yet Maggie is still collaborating with him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html