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applegrove

(118,497 posts)
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:55 PM May 2018

I was Jordan Peterson's strongest supporter. Now I think he's dangerous

By BERNARD SCHIFF Special to the Star

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

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Jordan has studied and understands authoritarian demagogic leaders. They know how to attract a following. In an interview with Ethan Klein in an H3 Podcast, Jordan describes how such leaders learn to repeat those things which make the crowd roar, and not repeat those things that do not. The crowd roared the first time Jordan opposed the so-called “transgender agenda.” Perhaps they would roar again, whether it made sense or not.

But why “transgender” in the first place? In that same interview, Jordan cites Carl Jung, who talked about the effectiveness of powerful emotional oratorical skills to tap into the collective unconscious of a people, and into their anger, resentment, fear of chaos and need for order. He talked about how those demagogic leaders led by acting out the dark desires of the mob.

If we have a “collective unconscious” there is a good chance that it would include our primitive assumptions about gender and biology. Transgender people violate those assumptions. There is an historical example of how upset our species gets about gender ambiguity in other species. The female spotted hyena is larger than, and dominant over, the male and has a clitoris so enlarged as to have the external appearance of a penis. In the bestiaries of the Middle Ages they were reviled, described as “neither faithful or pagan,” “brutal thugs,” “sexual deviants” and “not to be trusted.” Sir Walter Raleigh excluded the hyena from Noah’s Ark in his History of the World (written in 1614) because he believed that God had saved only the purely bred. That historical lesson tells us how deeply disturbed many of us might be in response to gender ambiguity in human beings.

Transgender people appear early in human history but in these socially progressive times, which worry Jordan so much, they have become more visible. Consciously or not, Jordan may have understood that transgender people tap into society’s “collective unconscious” and would become a lightning rod for attention loaded with anger and resentment. And it did.


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I was Jordan Peterson's strongest supporter. Now I think he's dangerous (Original Post) applegrove May 2018 OP
God I hope he never runs in Canada. applegrove May 2018 #1
+1 I consider myself a Jungian, too. Jordan's a tradcon Anon-C May 2018 #2
That "pages of the NY Times" is a puff opinion piece Hortensis May 2018 #3
What "supposed quote" in what piece in the Times? bettyellen May 2018 #5
Jordan Peterson: The Stupid Man's Smart Person... blitzen May 2018 #4
Exactly! Duppers May 2018 #9
It's easy to be a star with these people-- dawg day May 2018 #6
They are so creepy. Who aspires to be an intellectual for creeps. I saw him applegrove May 2018 #7
Yes! Duppers May 2018 #10
He's trying to be a populist but he isn't dyslexic so he can't excell at the big applegrove May 2018 #8

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. That "pages of the NY Times" is a puff opinion piece
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:06 PM
May 2018

quoting "my friend" of the author. That supposed quote is now being repeated around the web to create a phony intellectual reputation. Asinine.

blitzen

(4,572 posts)
4. Jordan Peterson: The Stupid Man's Smart Person...
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:10 PM
May 2018

"There is no polite way to put this, but since Peterson claims that 'If you worry about hurting people’s feelings and disturbing the social structure, you’re not going to put your ideas forward,' I’m just going to say it: Spend half an hour on his website, sit through a few of his interminable videos, and you realize that what he has going for him, the niche he has found—he never seems to say 'know' where he could instead say 'cognizant of'—is that Jordan Peterson is the stupid man’s smart person."

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https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/

applegrove

(118,497 posts)
7. They are so creepy. Who aspires to be an intellectual for creeps. I saw him
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:27 PM
May 2018

on Bill Maher. He's not that smart. He is just catnip for the alt right.

applegrove

(118,497 posts)
8. He's trying to be a populist but he isn't dyslexic so he can't excell at the big
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:46 AM
May 2018

Last edited Wed May 30, 2018, 04:20 AM - Edit history (2)

picture, and then the bigger picture. He hasn't got the flow of Trump.Thankfully. For Canada.

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