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Source: http://www.debbyirving.com/how-to-explain-white-privilege-in-three-easy-ish-steps/
Hope that helps!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)thread to clarify what Effie wrote. You are quite something.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I didn't think it captured the term effectively, so I thought I would seek out something that did.
JI7
(89,244 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)"make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."
Seems like that happens to me a lot, but I try not to let it get me upset or angry anymore.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Last edited Mon May 28, 2018, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)
But I'm open to seeing alternate definitions.
More to the point, I think we should be gratified that we don't have to deal with very much of that sort of thing here, and appreciate that we are a community of people who don't always agree and sometimes can be snarky but all have our heart in the right place.
betsuni
(25,436 posts)I'm giving you a kick because you want it so badly. Take it, the alternate definition gratification kick. I know you love Effie, but if you want more kicks, call me. All have our heart in the right place.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What is going on with this post:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210665639
betsuni
(25,436 posts)He means nothing to me, I swear! Nothing is going on.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Crushed, I tell you!
George II
(67,782 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)If people are interested in understanding the term, I think this one sentence communicates the meaning well.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)informative and thought provoking but Im sure you didnt like that. Youd again quibble with it just to make sure everyone knows you know better than the author.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I'm flattered that I inspire my baeboo to post OPs to mirror mine - I LOVE being a muse.
These mirror OPs are the highest form of flattery, you know, even if they do lack even a smidge of original thought, are transparent as hell and never come close to being as clever as my boo thinks they are.
So, go find your own boo and get stay away from mine!
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Lucky for us, there are others who have posted far more complete definitions. And they didn't have, as a goal, minimizing the effect of white privilege on those who don't have it.
You, no doubt, had a reason for posting your simplistic definition. I'm not sure what that reason might have been, but I'm sure it exists.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It had a good list of the effects of white privilege. I think the original author would be dismayed that anyone picked that pithy bit to stand alone. Not their best work, by a mile.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I'm a link clicker, among other things.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)especially after coming to this country.
Hope that helps. I'm sure it won't.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/7780995.Debby_Irving
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)Yeah, I didn't think so. I don't give a good goddamn who it's from.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And history dont exist, otherwise their BS falls apart.
Kingofalldems
(38,440 posts)Oh by the way---it's from 2014. I was told that at 40 times in the last 2 days.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Did someone ask for your help in finding a definition of white privilege?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)And since I would never want anyone here to think my boo either cant read or would actually lie to them, let me help you explain her piece accurately.
First, the title of her piece is White Privilege Explained In 3 Easy (ish) Steps.
Those three steps are: 1) Examine the Word Privilege; 2) Examine The Word White; and 3) Now
. Examine White Privilege.
She offered brief definitions of each term and provided a series of illustrations of how white privilege works. For example:
- have had parents and/or grandparents who were able to live in white-designated towns and neighborhoods that provided access to social networks and adequate public education later used for gainful employment
- have lived and continue to live in white-dominated towns and neighborhoods that provide access to social networks and adequate public education later used for gainful employment
- have had parents and/or grandparents whose retirements were funded by the social security program, a program that advantaged white people by excluding domestic and agricultural workers, disproportionately people of color
- have had parents and/or grandparents who received mid 20th century GI Bill benefits low-interest mortgages and free Higher Ed tuition. (96% of black GIs were unable to access the bills benefits)
- have ancestors who came to America and, despite initial discrimination, were ultimately able to become labeled white
- have a sense that government institutions and agencies provide fair and equal treatment and will protect their rights and safety
- be enjoying the compounded material, psychological, and convenience advantages of all of the above
- be able to get through each day without being followed or questioned or worse by security or police
- be able to live, work, and study in communities where their race is the race of the people in power
- believe that achievement is based mostly on individual merit
And THEN she closed with this awesome observation and challenge - I cant BELIEVE you didnt mention this!
The most important thing any white person can do is learn how privilege has worked in your own life and how it's likely created an unexpected, deep-seated attachment to that privilege. So, educate yourself, be honest with yourself when racist thoughts or a sense of entitlement arises, learn to talk about it which can be shockingly tongue-tying at first then, use your accumulating wisdom and skill to engage other white people who may also appreciate some clarity on the issue.
Take the Challenge
I just love this because this is EXACTLY what Ive been trying to do with my OPs and discussions here. But for some reason, when *I* do it, you get all mad and snarky about it. But Ms. Irving does the same thing and you not only quote her, you start an OP about her and then defend her to everyone who challenges her. Why you gonna treat me like that, Boo?
But I guess I can forgive you now that youve publicly embraced your commitment to learning how privilege has worked in your own life and how it's likely created an unexpected, deep-seated attachment to that privilege.
And Im really excited to know that, just as Ms. Irving challenges you to do in the piece youve endorsed so lustily, you will be honest with yourself when racist thoughts or a sense of entitlement arises!
Ive never been so proud of you, Boo. Im looking forward to seeing your progress on this front - and Ill be right there with you to give you a little boost whenever it looks like youve forgotten Ms. Irvings words!
I hope that helps!
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)I preferred your OP.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)Can you be illegally white?
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Or was she illegally black? This whole issue is confusing as hell.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)Or black, for that matter.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)It's one thing to check a box on a survey. It's another to make that box you checked legally binding. And the author must include mention of legality because there are instances when the question of race are legally binding. The one instance I can think of is applying for a scholarship that is specifically for black students. If a white person pretends to be black to get that scholarship, is that illegal? I would think so. However, what are the ramifications of creating legal definitions of "race"? Talk about being divisive!
So short answer: yes there are instances when "race" becomes a legally defined term. Just how legally binding the different categories of "race" are is another question.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)One can be white skinned but be considered non-white due to religion. And it was the law until 1944.
homegirl
(1,427 posts)I learned the value of a white skin from a black school mate. I was able to get a Saturday job and buy all the art supplies I needed for our Art dedicated High School. Her comment was "yes, white girls can get jobs." Until then I had never thought about the ease or difficulty of obtaining employment.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)"To be perceived...
. as white" is an important issue, because white does not necessarily refer simply to melanin.
From 1788 until 1944, Muslims were unable to become naturalized citizens no matter their skin tone simply because they were Muslim.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)As I stated above, I can imagine an instance of whatever "race" is disclosed by a person to being legally binding. However, there are so many interpretations of what constitutes a certain "race" that the "legality" seems to dissolve.
For instance, I used to teach at a college that offered free tuition to Native Americans. So what is the "legal" interpretation of "Native American"? I remember asking a student about that, and I think it could mean up to 1/16th Native American. One thing is for sure, there were a LOT of kids who would normally identify as "Hispanic" getting free tuition because they had a Native American great grandparent.
I do not in any way begrudge them for taking advantage of the free tuition. I'm merely pointing out how legal definitions of race become downright silly. It seems to me that trying to assert legal definitions of "race" is something that only authoritarians and well meaning (but deluded) white people do.