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White Privilege Explained in One Sentence (Original Post) oberliner May 2018 OP
Golly, it seems like I just read another thread like this. How sweet of you to again post a copycat uppityperson May 2018 #1
It was inspired by the other post oberliner May 2018 #4
how do you explain trolling in one sentence JI7 May 2018 #2
Here's a good definition oberliner May 2018 #5
... betsuni May 2018 #7
I think that is pretty accurate oberliner May 2018 #8
Oh, oberliner. betsuni May 2018 #11
How about this one? oberliner May 2018 #12
I want to discuss our relationship and you drag MineralMan into it? betsuni May 2018 #16
OMG! I am crushed. MineralMan May 2018 #22
bwahahahahaha!!!! George II May 2018 #33
No thanks for the 'splaination. So deliberately obnoxious. bettyellen May 2018 #3
I thought it was simple and effective oberliner May 2018 #6
But the rest of the piece it's pulled from you ignored is much more bettyellen May 2018 #18
Back off, bimbo. You're talking to MY Boo EffieBlack May 2018 #17
Too limited, and it doesn't really explain the impact of white privilege. MineralMan May 2018 #9
The link at the post is a good one- and really shows the OP's poor judgement over what to quote. bettyellen May 2018 #20
Yes. I noticed that, too. MineralMan May 2018 #21
I don't need your troll ass to explain to me something I've seen my entire life Guy Whitey Corngood May 2018 #10
It's from Debby Irving oberliner May 2018 #13
Did she post it here after years of tone deafness and shit stirring on this site? Guy Whitey Corngood May 2018 #14
Yep, the context of this post matters- well said! I find some always want to pretend context bettyellen May 2018 #19
Nailed it. Kingofalldems May 2018 #25
And notice how he fucking slithered away too. nt Guy Whitey Corngood May 2018 #37
"Hope that helps" ??? gollygee May 2018 #15
Oh, Boo, you must be tired because you completely mischaracterized this author's point EffieBlack May 2018 #23
Great post Gothmog May 2018 #24
That was a LOT more than one sentence, belying the premise of the OP. George II May 2018 #35
Legally White? Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #26
Rachel Dolezal? ProudLib72 May 2018 #28
Is it illegal to pretend to be white? Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #29
You're actually on to something big here ProudLib72 May 2018 #30
See #31 guillaumeb May 2018 #32
At 15 homegirl May 2018 #27
Recommended. guillaumeb May 2018 #31
The issue of legality is perplexing though ProudLib72 May 2018 #36
To answer your question, no it doesn't. George II May 2018 #34

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
1. Golly, it seems like I just read another thread like this. How sweet of you to again post a copycat
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:12 AM
May 2018

thread to clarify what Effie wrote. You are quite something.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. It was inspired by the other post
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:58 AM
May 2018

I didn't think it captured the term effectively, so I thought I would seek out something that did.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Here's a good definition
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:58 AM
May 2018

"make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."

Seems like that happens to me a lot, but I try not to let it get me upset or angry anymore.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. I think that is pretty accurate
Mon May 28, 2018, 08:08 AM
May 2018

Last edited Mon May 28, 2018, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)

But I'm open to seeing alternate definitions.

More to the point, I think we should be gratified that we don't have to deal with very much of that sort of thing here, and appreciate that we are a community of people who don't always agree and sometimes can be snarky but all have our heart in the right place.

betsuni

(25,436 posts)
11. Oh, oberliner.
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:51 AM
May 2018

I'm giving you a kick because you want it so badly. Take it, the alternate definition gratification kick. I know you love Effie, but if you want more kicks, call me. All have our heart in the right place.

betsuni

(25,436 posts)
16. I want to discuss our relationship and you drag MineralMan into it?
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:22 AM
May 2018

He means nothing to me, I swear! Nothing is going on.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. I thought it was simple and effective
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:59 AM
May 2018

If people are interested in understanding the term, I think this one sentence communicates the meaning well.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
18. But the rest of the piece it's pulled from you ignored is much more
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:41 AM
May 2018

informative and thought provoking but I’m sure you didn’t like that. You’d again quibble with it just to make sure everyone knows you know better than the author.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
17. Back off, bimbo. You're talking to MY Boo
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:36 AM
May 2018

I'm flattered that I inspire my baeboo to post OPs to mirror mine - I LOVE being a muse.

These mirror OPs are the highest form of flattery, you know, even if they do lack even a smidge of original thought, are transparent as hell and never come close to being as clever as my boo thinks they are.

So, go find your own boo and get stay away from mine!

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
9. Too limited, and it doesn't really explain the impact of white privilege.
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:28 AM
May 2018

Lucky for us, there are others who have posted far more complete definitions. And they didn't have, as a goal, minimizing the effect of white privilege on those who don't have it.

You, no doubt, had a reason for posting your simplistic definition. I'm not sure what that reason might have been, but I'm sure it exists.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. The link at the post is a good one- and really shows the OP's poor judgement over what to quote.
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:45 AM
May 2018

It had a good list of the effects of white privilege. I think the original author would be dismayed that anyone picked that pithy bit to stand alone. Not their best work, by a mile.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
10. I don't need your troll ass to explain to me something I've seen my entire life
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:47 AM
May 2018

especially after coming to this country.

Hope that helps. I'm sure it won't.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. It's from Debby Irving
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:04 AM
May 2018
Debby (Kittredge) Irving has worked since the 1980s to foster diversity, inclusiveness, and community-building. As general manager of Boston’s Dance Umbrella and later First Night, she developed both a passion for cross-cultural collaborations and an awareness of the complexities inherent in cross-cultural relationships. She has worked in public and private schools as a classroom teacher, board member, and parent. Her approach is to use authentic dialog to connect people through shared interests and divergent backgrounds.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/7780995.Debby_Irving

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
14. Did she post it here after years of tone deafness and shit stirring on this site?
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:11 AM
May 2018

Yeah, I didn't think so. I don't give a good goddamn who it's from.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. Yep, the context of this post matters- well said! I find some always want to pretend context
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

And history don’t exist, otherwise their BS falls apart.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
23. Oh, Boo, you must be tired because you completely mischaracterized this author's point
Mon May 28, 2018, 01:15 PM
May 2018

And since I would never want anyone here to think my boo either can’t read or would actually lie to them, let me help you explain her piece accurately.

First, the title of her piece is “White Privilege Explained In 3 Easy (ish) Steps.”

Those three steps are: 1) Examine the Word Privilege; 2) Examine The Word White; and 3) Now …. Examine White Privilege.

She offered brief definitions of each term and provided a series of illustrations of how white privilege works. For example:


- have had parents and/or grandparents who were able to live in white-designated towns and neighborhoods that provided access to social networks and adequate public education later used for gainful employment

- have lived and continue to live in white-dominated towns and neighborhoods that provide access to social networks and adequate public education later used for gainful employment

- have had parents and/or grandparents whose retirements were funded by the social security program, a program that advantaged white people by excluding domestic and agricultural workers, disproportionately people of color

- have had parents and/or grandparents who received mid 20th century GI Bill benefits – low-interest mortgages and free Higher Ed tuition. (96% of black GIs were unable to access the bill’s benefits)

- have ancestors who came to America and, despite initial discrimination, were ultimately able to become labeled white

- have a sense that government institutions and agencies provide fair and equal treatment and will protect their rights and safety

- be enjoying the compounded material, psychological, and convenience advantages of all of the above

- be able to get through each day without being followed or questioned or worse by security or police

- be able to live, work, and study in communities where their race is the race of the people in power

- believe that achievement is based mostly on individual merit


And THEN she closed with this awesome observation and challenge - I can’t BELIEVE you didn’t mention this!

The most important thing any white person can do is learn how privilege has worked in your own life and how it's likely created an unexpected, deep-seated attachment to that privilege. So, educate yourself, be honest with yourself when racist thoughts or a sense of entitlement arises, learn to talk about it – which can be shockingly tongue-tying at first — then, use your accumulating wisdom and skill to engage other white people who may also appreciate some clarity on the issue.

Take the Challenge


I just love this because this is EXACTLY what I’ve been trying to do with my OPs and discussions here. But for some reason, when *I* do it, you get all mad and snarky about it. But Ms. Irving does the same thing and you not only quote her, you start an OP about her and then defend her to everyone who challenges her. Why you gonna treat me like that, Boo?

But I guess I can forgive you now that you’ve publicly embraced your commitment to “learning how privilege has worked in your own life and how it's likely created an unexpected, deep-seated attachment to that privilege.”

And I’m really excited to know that, just as Ms. Irving challenges you to do in the piece you’ve endorsed so lustily, you will “be honest with yourself when racist thoughts or a sense of entitlement arises!”

I’ve never been so proud of you, Boo. I’m looking forward to seeing your progress on this front - and I’ll be right there with you to give you a little boost whenever it looks like you’ve forgotten Ms. Irving’s words!

I hope that helps!

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
30. You're actually on to something big here
Mon May 28, 2018, 02:59 PM
May 2018

It's one thing to check a box on a survey. It's another to make that box you checked legally binding. And the author must include mention of legality because there are instances when the question of race are legally binding. The one instance I can think of is applying for a scholarship that is specifically for black students. If a white person pretends to be black to get that scholarship, is that illegal? I would think so. However, what are the ramifications of creating legal definitions of "race"? Talk about being divisive!

So short answer: yes there are instances when "race" becomes a legally defined term. Just how legally binding the different categories of "race" are is another question.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
32. See #31
Mon May 28, 2018, 03:28 PM
May 2018

One can be white skinned but be considered non-white due to religion. And it was the law until 1944.

homegirl

(1,427 posts)
27. At 15
Mon May 28, 2018, 02:32 PM
May 2018

I learned the value of a white skin from a black school mate. I was able to get a Saturday job and buy all the art supplies I needed for our Art dedicated High School. Her comment was "yes, white girls can get jobs." Until then I had never thought about the ease or difficulty of obtaining employment.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
31. Recommended.
Mon May 28, 2018, 03:25 PM
May 2018

"To be perceived...…. as white" is an important issue, because white does not necessarily refer simply to melanin.

From 1788 until 1944, Muslims were unable to become naturalized citizens no matter their skin tone simply because they were Muslim.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
36. The issue of legality is perplexing though
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:09 PM
May 2018

As I stated above, I can imagine an instance of whatever "race" is disclosed by a person to being legally binding. However, there are so many interpretations of what constitutes a certain "race" that the "legality" seems to dissolve.

For instance, I used to teach at a college that offered free tuition to Native Americans. So what is the "legal" interpretation of "Native American"? I remember asking a student about that, and I think it could mean up to 1/16th Native American. One thing is for sure, there were a LOT of kids who would normally identify as "Hispanic" getting free tuition because they had a Native American great grandparent.

I do not in any way begrudge them for taking advantage of the free tuition. I'm merely pointing out how legal definitions of race become downright silly. It seems to me that trying to assert legal definitions of "race" is something that only authoritarians and well meaning (but deluded) white people do.

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