Katy Tur questioning Roseanne's free speech? WTH? Cannot stand her and am

[monmouth4]

changing back to CNN..

[titaniumsalute]

1. Somebody should ask Tur if she'd keep her job if she made Ape references to black people...

[monmouth4]

5. Exactly.n/t

[lark]

2. WTF is wrong with her?

This is why I loathe MSM.

[spanone]

3. she is free to tweet what she did....and now she's free to look for a new place for her show

[malaise]

10. This was not a joke - it was racist to the core

Valerie Jarrett was the product of the "Planet of the Apes" and an Islamist political group.

[spanone]

24. neither is my response.

you're free to be a racist dumbass in this country....most people choose not too....not roseanne nor trump for that matter

[malaise]

29. Agreed - true

but ABC is free to fire her racist ass

[spanone]

39. and I'm so glad they did...roseanne is toxic and it's probably her last chance.

unless fox picks it up....

[madaboutharry]

4. Katy Tur was inviting her guests to comment on Fox News

anchor talking about Free Speech and Roseanne.

[demmiblue]

15. This. n/t

[malaise]

32. Yes n/t

[lame54]

6. I dont understand- was she arrested?

[Moostache]

17. Amen!!!

Freedom OF speech was never meant to convey freedom FROM responsibility for one's speech.

She is still perfectly free to keep saying insanely stupid racist things today as she was on Friday...she just has to own the repercussions of her choice of words and speech...

[get the red out]

58. This!!!!!

When someone embarrasses their employer with racist speech they can lose their job, they just can't be arrested for it.

[Blecht]

7. How about turning off cable news entirely?

Cable news is a huge part of the mess we're in, and supporting it -- watching it is supporting it -- doesn't help at all.

[HopeAgain]

11. My sentiments exactly

They don't report the news, they try to make it themselves.

[jrthin]

65. This is so very true! nt

[ProfessorGAC]

8. Well, It's Clear Katy Doesn't Know What The 1st Amendment Is

Just bringing it up in this situation is proof.

[shanny]

64. Context is everything.

She was asking for comments on Fux News' reaction.

[ProfessorGAC]

68. That's A Worthy Point Of Discussion?

Discussing the idiotic rantings on another network is how she chose to spend airtime.

While i stand corrected because i misunderstood the context, this is hardly a defense of Tur, in my mind.

[mythology]

9. She has a right to free speech but not consequence free free speech

[Dave Starsky]

34. Relevant XKCD about this...

[Thomas Hurt]

42. there is no constitutional right to NOT be offended....

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

12. Katys

still buzzed from yesterday. She does this periodically and is why I don't waste time on her. I think inside she's deeply insecure and her following around dt during the election was a perfect example. We don't need to debate it Katy.

[Kirk Lover]

26. Following around DT during the election was HER JOB not her HOBBY. Good Lord. nt

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

33. Maybe

Didnt she crank out a book about it?

[Kirk Lover]

36. Yes she was harassed pretty badly as was the rest of the press from the RUMPanzees. Lots of folks

are writing books.

[NewJeffCT]

13. ABC is a private corporation

so, they can do what they want.

[MichMan]

52. Same as the NFL ?

[NewJeffCT]

59. yes

but, the NFL relies on a special anti-trust law passed by Congress.

[Siwsan]

14. Freedom of Speech does not protect you from consequences and repercussions.

It's not a difficult thing to understand.

[CrispyQ]

16. Yo, Katy, free speech does not equal consequence-free speech, especially for public figures. -nt

[JI7]

18. She wasn't punished by the govt/legal system

[YessirAtsaFact]

28. If I make stupid public statements I could lose my job over them

[TDale313]

19. She has free speech.

No one is arresting Roseanne Barr for what she said.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. How is it that a news anchor doesn't understand that free speech

(that is, the First Amendment) refers only to government action? The government can't suppress or restrict a person's speech, but a private business can set whatever standards it wants. ABC ditched Rosanne because she made a comment that violated their standards and probably generated a shit-ton of negative responses from the public. Since her racist tweet was bad for ABC's business, out she went. And they can do that.

[global1]

23. Words Have Consequences....

From the criticism of Katy here - she will find that out as well.

[MichMan]

49. The same argument I tried to make about the NFL

....with the anthem protests & it was like speaking to a brick wall.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

55. The NFL's legal problem might have more to do with the collective bargaining agreement.

[MichMan]

61. Possible. Most were arguing players had freedom of speech

[MichMan]

62. Just pointing out how inconsistent people can be....

....depending on who was involved

[peabody]

21. She's just setting up a question for her

guests—all black by the way—as what they should say to people who should bring up the First Amendment argument. It’s a perfectly valid point. Don’t over react folks!!

[monmouth4]

31. No one is over-reacting, Katy was acting obtuse, she knows there are consequences but

chose to ignore that part.

[demmiblue]

46. I thought is was obvious what she was doing, but...

[peabody]

50. Actually I learn something watching that segment.

Her guests brought up that if people want to throw out the free speech argument then we should remind them that they should argue the same for Colin Kaepernick.

[malaise]

22. She's pissing me off

If the forgotten voter is a racist piece of shit, then forget them.
You do not have the right to violate other people's rights based on race. You do not have the right to insult me based on race.

[ooky]

25. Yeah she's got free speech, and

ABC has the freedom to cancel her show if they don't like how she uses her free speech.

[Kirk Lover]

27. Oh goody the daily I hate Katy Tur thread.

[peabody]

35. I wonder how many people commenting

on this is even watching the show. She’s doing a great job moderating her panel on this issue. I don’t understand all the criticism.

[Kirk Lover]

37. There are news snobs, and lowly cable television is to be scorned at every opportunity. nt

[Hoyt]

45. Every now and then, DU gets a little weird. I don't get the criticism today either.

[demmiblue]

47. Not many. n/t

[Blue_Adept]

53. The OP provides zero context

Not even an actual quote. It's empty calories.

[slater71]

30. Someone over on FOX said maybe another station would pick up the show.

Yeah, FOX. It would fit right in. How many people that are not white does FOX have beside Payne and Harris. Just like the White House. I believe they have one non white in Carson. They just can`t help themselves to not show by employment or opening their pie holes.

[Soxfan58]

38. If she has not been arrested

Her constitutional rights have not been infringed

[Thomas Hurt]

40. ABC is not the gov't infringing on her free speech...

in fact ABC just freed up some of her time to continue to express her racism and pro Trump messages.

[katmondoo]

41. I am very upset with Katy Tur, she was badly treated by thr trumpers and now

their voices are becoming hers too. I am sorry I bought her book

[peabody]

44. Are you watching the show?

[rsdsharp]

43. She got to say what she wanted.

So did the President of ABC. The government wasn't involved. Speech may be free, but there may be private consequences.

[katmondoo]

48. Katy also seems enamored with Chuck Todd

Makes me wonder even more about her. I am really sad about her and I once liked Katy very much.

[Thrill]

51. You can say what you want but it has consequences

[The Blue Flower]

54. She was posing it as a question those on the other side would raise

She should not be faulted for raising the question as a debate point. She was not endorsing that point of view by any respect.

[peabody]

57. THIS!!

[still_one]

56. This isn't about free speech, no one prevented her from saying what she wanted to

ABC decided that what she said was offensive to a lot of people, and not good for business so they fired her

They did the same thing with Bill Maher

Maher went to a non-sponsored pay TV enterprise

Barr will probably become part of the trump regime

[LenaBaby61]

60. Katy Tur ....

Is a 5th rate whatever she is.


Molly Ivans. Now she was a REAL news person. Tur couldn't carry Molly's old IBM typewriter.



Buh bye Barr ....

[matt819]

63. Once more. . .

No one is abridging anyone's right to free speech.

Roseanne was entitled to say what she did. She's committed no crime. No one stopped her. No one infringed on her rights.

But. . .

There are consequences to all actions, including free speech. Her words were abhorrent and repugnant, and she's entitled to be fired for them. She can keep saying those things. No problem. She can also keep not being hired.

Where's the problem?

[oasis]

66. Tur says Barr "clearly crossed the line". Tur's had many guest

on her show condemning Barr in the strongest terms.

[Hekate]

67. Katy was provoking a conversation with her guests, as is her job. At DU we have had the exact same

...fight about "free speech" versus TOS about a million times.

You do not have to watch her if you like Wolf Blitzer better.

[monmouth4]

71. I realize that and yes, Wolf is much better...n/t

[LuckyCharms]

69. What I heard Katy Tur say was something like this...

Not verbatim, but from my memory...

"I guess you could say that Roseanne Barr has the right to free speech, but she doesn't have the right to consequence-free free speech".

[louis-t]

70. Sure, Roseanne can say whatever she wants.

And her employer can react whichever way they want.

[stopbush]

72. Freedom of speech means the GOVERNMENT cannot impose on your right.

People and companies can do whatever they want.

WHY is this so hard to understand?

[beachbum bob]

73. Lol...and we have NFL owners curbing their BLACK players???

Too funny...hate speech has a price...Tur is a POS

[Crunchy Frog]

74. She's got as much free speech as Kathy Griffin.

[tableturner]

75. The original post of this thread was totally unfair to Katy Tur.

[samnsara]

76. maybe im confusing with another interview but wasnt it followed up

..with a discussion of the NFL and the players freedom of speech? to me it didnt sound like she was defending roseannes rights but using it as a bridge into further discussion.

[Ferrets are Cool]

77. Sometimes there are consequences to using that 1st amendment right. nt