Who will Bill Maher defend more tomorrow?

[Trumpocalypse]

Roseanne or Samantha Bee?

I'm betting on Roseanne.

[OnDoutside]

1. Pretty good guess I'd say.

[TheBlackAdder]

33. No. What Roseanne wrote was not a joke There was no setup, no provocation, no satire. Just harmful.

[Raster]

35. I agree with you. Rosanne's comments was meant to be hurtful and vile...

...and Miss Comedy Thing thought she would get away with it because she was soooo special. NOT!

[OnDoutside]

38. Maher doesn't always think that way though.

[joshcryer]

2. I want to be absolutely filthy with my response.

But it might trigger someone.

Yes, he will likely defend Roseanne. But "ironically."

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Bill and other comedians have watched stand up be greatly harmed by

PC that is not really PC but just sensitivity for the sake of sensitivity. IN SOME, not all CASES.

Roseanne is an outright, in your face, horrible racist and her JOKE was not a joke, it was a racist attack.

So he wont defend her based on comedy and speech, is my guess.

[Trumpocalypse]

9. Bet $50 bucks he does

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. He may have some defense of Roseanne and sometimes it is personal but usually

it is based on the same reason why most good comedians will NOT perform at universities anymore.

When I first heard of this I thought there was no way 20 yr old could be like that, but they are.

When I was that age NOTHING was off limits, everything was welcome other than hate speech.

But times are very different now.

[Trumpocalypse]

18. He defended Laura Ingraham

And that had nothing to do with comedy. He'll defend Roseanne.

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. Over what?

I think I remember now, and he was wrong there.

He does try to be consistent though, he pisses me off all the time especially when he insults his audience for not thinking he is funny.

[betsuni]

75. Oops!

You didn't see this?

[Trumpocalypse]

79. That was several weeks ago

Not last night’s show.

[betsuni]

82. And last night's show was different how?

[Trumpocalypse]

84. Well it was after her racist tweet

and Maher tried to excuse it by saying it was due to mental illness.

[betsuni]

87. No he didn't.

[Trumpocalypse]

91. Yes he did

He brought up more than once

[betsuni]

98. He brought up more than once.

[Trumpocalypse]

99. Laugh all you want

But he brought it up in the monologue and later when the panel discussed it.
Plus he never condemned Barr and barely mentioned Sam Bee let alone defend her.

[Bradshaw3]

105. He spent the whole show ripping her and this is your reaction?

Unbelievable. Check my latest post for examples. You obviously have an agenda that no facts can deter.

[Trumpocalypse]

109. Whole show?

He mentioned her in the monologue and then later on the panel. Hardly the whole show. And he never condemned her but made excuses saying it was due to mental illness. Those are the facts.

[Bradshaw3]

112. Try and watch it for the examples I gave

Yes, the whole show when he brought the subject up. He mentioned her mental illness twice but followed it up by saying that did not exuse her words. You see only what you want to see. Your use of "facts" reminds me of someone else's.

[Trumpocalypse]

115. I did

And I never saw him condemn Barr herself but made the mental illness excuse. As far as only seeing what you want to see, I suggest you look in a mirror.

[Bradshaw3]

118. You didn't hear the quotes I gave?

Really? Her condemed her many times as I showed and anyone who watched it or didn't read those quotes is dishonest by saying he didn't. Have you ever looked in a mirror?

[Trumpocalypse]

122. No he didn't

He never condemned Barr herself and repeatedly made the mental illness excuse. Plus he barely mentioned Bee.
My OP was that he would defend Barr more, which he did.

[Bradshaw3]

4. You must not be familiar with him

A few weeks ago he asked Roseanne to start taking steps away from trumpism. He will not defend her. He might question whether she should have lost her job but that is NOT defending her.

I will bet you he does not defend her.

[lame54]

5. He was ahead of the curve...

On challenging her

[Trumpocalypse]

10. I am familiar with him defending conservatives

like Laura Ingraham and Don Imus when they got called out on their racist remarks.

[Bradshaw3]

29. He doesn't "defend" conservatives - he defends free speech

BTW, you didn't provide a link to prove your claims.

[dameatball]

6. Bill's language is on a par with Samantha's, so I see no reason why he would disparage her.

[Trumpocalypse]

11. Didn't say that he would.

But I see me defending Roseanne much more strongly and only mention Bee in passing, if at all.

[Bradshaw3]

30. You going to come back to this thread if you're wrong?

I will. And I won't change the goalposts or equate defending free speech with defending the speaker, as you have.

[dameatball]

32. Actually your OP specifically mentions Bee or I probably wouldn't have commented on her.

I guess what I was saying is that Bill would have no reason to criticize Bee for bad language, given his propensity for it.

[Hoyt]

7. I think he will do like he did in April when it comes Barr.

Just a month ago he did a bit which basically went -- Roseanne, you stood by me when few did years ago, you were for the poor years ago, but you are WRONG about trump.

[Va Lefty]

8. He will tread lightly, many on both sides would like to see him silenced

[Iggo]

13. If you watched his show, you'd know.

He called out Roseanne a couple weeks ago. He was nice-ish about it, but he still gave her shit for being shitty.

And again, if you watched his current show, you'd know pretty much how he feels about people losing their TV shows because of viewers' political outrage. (Hint: He's not for it.)

Why do you think it'll be one or the other, Bee or Barr?

[Trumpocalypse]

16. I've watched his show and seen him defend Laura Ingraham,

Don Imus and other conservatives who were called out for their hateful and racist remarks.

[Iggo]

17. And did you see him defend Roseanne Barr for being a Trumper?

[Trumpocalypse]

21. This is not about being a Trumper.

This is about speech. And is pattern has been to defend the most vile comments by conservatives.

[Iggo]

37. You've got your narrative. Have fun with it.

[Trumpocalypse]

41. Yes it is called reality.

[quickesst]

102. What I have fun with....

...is watching people make a statement / prediction and then twisting themselves into a pretzel to prove they were right. I believe a lot of people don't like Bill Maher because he doesn't give the left a blanket free pass on everything, and those people's heads explode when they hear him say anything they might construe as a defense for the right. That's a personal opinion.

[leftynyc]

120. Well said

I hav zero problem with e way he handled the issue last night.

[quickesst]

141. Agreed

He handled it exactly like Bill Maher should have handled it.

[MichMan]

76. There is another distinction between Barr & Bee

Regardless of how one feels about either woman.

Barr's comment was made via twitter and had nothing to do with her show.

Bee's was broadcast as part of the show which was pre edited before airing.

[leftynyc]

15. I think Samantha Bee

It's really not a contest - racism versus vulgarity. Bad taste can be defended - racism can not.

[Trumpocalypse]

22. But he's defended racists in the past.

[Bradshaw3]

31. No he hasn't defended racists

You should learn the difference between defending free speech and defending racism. Also, it's helpful to an argument to post links showing your charges - if they are true.

[Trumpocalypse]

40. He defending Don Imus

for making racist remarks. And free speech is not speech without consequences.

[Bradshaw3]

43. Again, defending free seech is NOT defending racists

And again you have provided no proof of your claims.

[Trumpocalypse]

46. No, but arguing that they shouldn't face

Consequences for their free hate speech is defending racism.

And since you demand proof:

Bill Maher, darling of the liberals, stepped forward as Imus’s most strident defender. He called on the nation to accept Imus’s belated apology for his “bad joke.” Maher referred to Imus affectionately as a once “swaggering mustang” now broken by the people who “just like to get all upset about something” and “distract themselves from the real issues.”

https://www.liberationnews.org/07-04-20-don-imus-racist-shock-jocks-html/

[Bradshaw3]

104. Last night he agreed they should face consequences

Hope you watched and caught that. BTW, he didn't criticize Bee once but ripped Rosanne on multiple occassions.

[Trumpocalypse]

108. Yeah, he nodded his head

to what someone else said while making excuses that it was due to mental illness. And I never said that he would criticize Bee, just that he would defend Barr more, which he did.

[leftynyc]

39. You're going to have to provide

a link for that. I watch his show religiously (a little humor) and have never seen him defend racism.

[Trumpocalypse]

42. He defended Don Imus

When he made racists remarks.

[leftynyc]

44. How?

Did he say it wasn't racist? Because that's what many of the defenders of Roseanne are saying. If he merely defended his right to be an asshole, he's right.

[Trumpocalypse]

45. Sure anyone has the right to be an Ahole

But they should not be free of the consequences of their actions or statements. That's what Maher was arguing and how he defended Imus, and Laura Ingraham.

[leftynyc]

51. I'm a first amendment

purist. I remember what Imus said (what a schmuck) - didn't he lose his msnbc show over it? That's a consequence. Ingraham I don't really know about.

[Trumpocalypse]

53. And the 1st amendment is only a

guarantee that the government can’t censor you. It is not a shield to protect you from consequences for what you say.

[leftynyc]

57. I understand that

but free speech carries over to parts of our society NOT part of the government. How much power should public corporations have over their employees? Private corporations? Schools - both public and private?

[Trumpocalypse]

58. And should public and private corporations be forced to support hate speech?

Why shouldn't an advertiser have the right to pull out of a program in which the host makes racist statements?

There is no provision in the 1st amendment that guarantees anyone the right to be given a public platform and a 7 figure salary to say whatever they want.

[leftynyc]

61. Exactly

That said - there are two very large differences between Roseanne and Samantha. One was merely vulgar, the other outright racist (people are focusing on the Ms. Jarrett part but she also went after George Soros who has been a right wing target for many years for those who think Jews run everything). The other major difference is where they're seen. Roseanne on a network owned by the family friendly Disney corp which also free tv - Samantha on a cable (pay) channel owned by Time Warner which merged with Turner Broadcasting and is considered semi-autonomous. Advertisers are free to pick whichever shows or networks they want to be associated with.

[MichMan]

77. There is another big distinction between the two

Regardless of how one feels about either woman.

Barr's comment was made via her personal twitter account while off the job and had nothing to do with her show.

Bee's was broadcast as part of her show

I, like many others, have mixed feelings how much control employers should have over employee's actions off the job.

What about someone being fired for something posted here?

[Trumpocalypse]

100. I see your point.

The difference is this. Both are public figures. Roseanne was the face of ABC, representing that company.

In the case of Bee. Her show is pre-taped. Someone at TBS must have seen it before airing and thought the joke was OK.

[spooky3]

101. Public schools are considered part of govt for the

Purposes of considering free speech rights. Children who attend public schools can speak out with fewer legal restrictions, eg, if their speech is not unduly disruptive, they likely can engage in it.

[lunatica]

20. He criticized Roseanne not long ago for

being a Trump supporter.

I doubt he would support a racist “joke”.

I also think he would defend Samantha Bee both in using the word and in who and why she used it.

[Trumpocalypse]

23. He supported Don Imus for making a racist joke.

[lunatica]

25. That was decades ago

It’s quite possible that he’s ‘evolved’.

He will defend other comedians, but in this case both Roseanne and Samantha are comedians.

But maybe we can agree that he won’t and shouldn’t defend Ivanka!

[Trumpocalypse]

26. Only one decade.

And he defended Laura Ingraham too and she's not a comedian.

[lunatica]

34. Both are great examples

I haven’t always watched his shows. I didn’t watch his politically incorrect show because I don’t think PC is something to throw away. So I’m not wedded to defending him, especially in a historical basis.

It should be interesting to see what he does, if anything.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. He Did NOT Defend Laura Ingraham

That's is an untrue statement and you keep using it to defend your position.

He criticized the backlash while acknowledging that what she did was stupid.

Saying something she said was really stupid is hardly a defense. He was defending the right to offend in public speech without the whole world coming down on one.

Now, in Ingraham's case, i don't agree with Bill. Economic consequences of being an offensive moron is not the whole world coming down, when one is already set for life. But, he was not defending her personally.

You're just wrong about that.

[Trumpocalypse]

52. Criticizing the backlash is defending her.

His argument that anyone should be able to say any hateful thing they want without suffering any consequences is defending them.

[ProfessorGAC]

56. No, It Is Not

And, he didn't say anyone should be able to say anything they want.

He was HIGHLY specific to what she said about David Hogg. I don't approve of what she did, but talking about a kid's GPA is not the same as racial insults. I loathe Ingraham and think she's a complete fraud, but there is no equivalence between what she said and what Barr said.

So, you are now distorting what Maher said, what Ingraham did, and conflating all the pieces to defend your point.

You should just quit.

[Trumpocalypse]

60. Yes it is.

As the saying goes, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." And that is what Maher was advocating in the Ingraham case, that she should face no consequences for her statement. You can say that you disagree with her opinion but that is a useless gesture without suffering any real world consequences.

And in the Imus case he said this:

Bill Maher, darling of the liberals, stepped forward as Imus’s most strident defender. He called on the nation to accept Imus’s belated apology for his “bad joke.” Maher referred to Imus affectionately as a once “swaggering mustang” now broken by the people who “just like to get all upset about something” and “distract themselves from the real issues.”

https://www.liberationnews.org/07-04-20-don-imus-racist-shock-jocks-html/

[Bradshaw3]

106. Totally false claim - and he didn't last night

Funny you seem to think you have the right to make any false claim you like and then not answer when you are proven wrong.

[Trumpocalypse]

111. Not false at all.

He made excuses for Barr and hardly mentioned Bee.

[Bradshaw3]

114. Totally false characterization of his postion

Repeating falsehoods doesn't make them true.

[Trumpocalypse]

124. Not false

I think the problem here is the I'm not part of the Bill Maher cult of personality.

[oasis]

24. No Rosanne defense. When ABC unloaded her and gave up millions,

a message went out to media bosses "Rossane is radioactive".

[Trumpocalypse]

27. ABC fired Maher too.

[oasis]

28. Maher was "perceived" as praising the bravery of the 9/11 terrororists.

That was "radioactive" as hell back then.

[Johonny]

36. Maher has no love for quick hook ABC

I imagine he'll dump on ABC for putting a show on the air to generate ratings and then dumping it when their star delivered the exact antics people like Maher predicted she'd deliver. Given ABC's quick hook, it seem like they knew it too. Maher doesn't like the networks lack of "trust" in their shows content. But she wasn't dumped for on air content so it's different than his firing...

Thus he'll likely stick up for the heat Bee is getting because it is exactly like his past situation. His Roseanne take might not be much different than the take he already aired. It seems like he saw this coming. Didn't we all?

[betsuni]

49. A question only someone who doesn't know Bill Maher would ask.

[BannonsLiver]

50. +1

I’m sure when the OP is proven wrong they’ll be back for a mea culpa thread.

[Trumpocalypse]

54. No a question from someone who

has watched Maher defend people like Laura Ingrahram and Dom Imus for making hateful and racist statements.

[betsuni]

55. Wrong. You are wrong.

Prove it.

[Trumpocalypse]

59. Sure

Bill Maher, darling of the liberals, stepped forward as Imus’s most strident defender. He called on the nation to accept Imus’s belated apology for his “bad joke.” Maher referred to Imus affectionately as a once “swaggering mustang” now broken by the people who “just like to get all upset about something” and “distract themselves from the real issues.”

https://www.liberationnews.org/07-04-20-don-imus-racist-shock-jocks-html/

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

62. I have no idea. But I guaran-damn-tee you he'll tell the right wing guest how brave they are for

being there. And remind all of us how brave he is in fighting for freedom of speech, or some shit.

[LanternWaste]

63. The important thing is that you find additional targets of opportunity.

The important thing is that you continue find additional targets of opportunity, regardless of relevancy.

I'm betting that you will.

I'm betting you'll allege your narrative is sincere.

I'm betting you'll rationalize it as genuine.

[Trumpocalypse]

64. So you can't defend Maher

and decided to personally attack me instead.

[betsuni]

65. And the answer is, of course, that nobody on the show defended Roseanne.

Duh.

[Trumpocalypse]

67. No but Maher tried to give her a pass

with the whole mental health thing.

[betsuni]

69. No he didn't.

[Trumpocalypse]

70. Then why did he bring it up?

[betsuni]

71. What? Bill Maher is a comedian. He makes jokes.

He said: "My friend Roseanne admitted that she was admitted to a mental institution. She has said she has multiple personalities, and unfortunately one of them is quite a racist."

Do you know what a joke is?

[Trumpocalypse]

73. Sure that was a joke

but not a great one and he brought it up later in the discussion. Then it wasn't a joke.

[betsuni]

74. What? Brought it up later in the discussion when?

[Trumpocalypse]

78. When they discussed it on

the panel. He brought it up again. Plus he barely mentioned Sam Bee.

[betsuni]

81. LOL

[BannonsLiver]

66. The results are in

[RhodeIslandOne]

68. I love when people who don't (or shouldn't) watch a show....

....try to tell those that do what they saw and heard.

[betsuni]

72. +1

[Trumpocalypse]

92. Yes I saw the show

and he tried to give her a pass by saying it was due to mental illness.

[Cartoonist]

80. He'll defend Dinesh

The film maker.

[betsuni]

83. No he won't.

[Trumpocalypse]

126. Here I agree with you :-)

[Crunchy Frog]

85. And, we have our answer.

[Trumpocalypse]

93. And said it was due to mental illnesses

Said it again later in the show.

[Crunchy Frog]

123. There was no defense of her.

And I myself suspect that much of her erratic behavior stems from mental illness, which has been public knowledge for decades, and may be linked to a head injury she suffered as a teenager. That doesn't mean that I defend or excuse her behavior.

Everyone's free to interpret anything however they like though, ultimately, and I won't try to argue you out of your interpretation.

[Trumpocalypse]

125. No defense of the statement

That is true. But he did indirectly defend her by making the mental illness excuse repeatedly. Plus he barely mentioned, let alone defend, Sam Bee.

[Crunchy Frog]

129. Sam Bee's show hasn't been cancelled.

If it is, I suspect he'll come out swinging in her defense.

As for the rest, you're free to interpret anything in any way you want. I won't debate, discuss, or engage any further with you on this.

[Trumpocalypse]

133. That's a qualified statement.

I never said anything about who’s show was canceled. Just that he would defend Barr more, which he did.

[LexVegas]

86. Heh. Sucks to be wrong, huh?

[Trumpocalypse]

94. How?

He never condemned her and tried to give her a pass by saying it was due to mental illness. And where was his defense of Sam Bee? Barely mentioned her.

[Hoyt]

132. He didn't support her. What show were you watching?

[Trumpocalypse]

134. And he repeated

Mentioned mental illness to give her a pass. And I never saw him condemn her directly.

[Hoyt]

135. So what? We attribute trump's problems to mental illness, that ain't supporting him. You were wrong,

admit it.

[Trumpocalypse]

138. I don't

I think Trump is evil and corrupt.

And I wasn’t wrong. He defended Barr more with the repeated mental illness excuse and barely mentioned Bee.

[betsuni]

88. So, no apology for being wrong?

[Trumpocalypse]

95. I wasn't

He tried to give Barr a pass by saying it was due to mental illness and never defended Sam Bee.

[phleshdef]

127. Yes you were and no he didn't

Wallow in your embarrassment

[Trumpocalypse]

130. Nothing to be embarrassed about

My OP was that he would defend Barr more which he did.

[phleshdef]

143. He didn't defend her at all. He said her comments were abhorrent.

And even in mentioning her history with mental illness, he unequivocally said that doesn't excuse it. He also wholeheartedly agreed with the panelist that said Roseanne's comment was born out of hatred while Sam Bee was expressing outrage at an inhumane immigration policy. At this point you are resorting to lying because you aren't big enough to admit how painfully wrong you were.

[Trumpocalypse]

144. Don't accuse me of lying

just because I'm not in the 'Bill Maher is on our team and can't be criticized' cult. He repeatedly brought up the mental illness thing as an excuse to defend her. And just agreeing with everyone else about Sam Bee was tepid at best.

[phleshdef]

145. I criticize the fuck out of Bill Maher for his instances of Islamophobia and sticking his foot...

...in his mouth like when he busted out the N word when Ben Sasse made aa statement about children working the fields. Bill can be a straight up asshole sometimes. But he still has one of the best political discourse shows on television and more times than not, he manages to hit the nail on the head.

The mental illness thing actually sounds real when you think about Roseanne's history going all the way back to her rise to stardom. I don't doubt it for a second. And there is nothing wrong with introducing that element to the discourse.

Regardless, he condemned Roseanne, agreed with the decision to cancel her show, didn't criticize Sam Bee at all really and agreed with the point that Sam Bee was making. Period. End of story.

[Trumpocalypse]

146. He condemned the comment

But never condemned Bar herself but used the mental health thing as an excuse. His defense of Bee was tepid at best.

My OP was that he would defend Bar more and that is exactly what he did.

[betsuni]

147. Wrong.

[Trumpocalypse]

148. Right

[betsuni]

150. You know, you should thank me for kicking your wrong post.

I just want to make people happy.

[Trumpocalypse]

151. OK then

[USALiberal]

89. You owe Bill an apology, and should self delete this post IMO. nt

[Trumpocalypse]

96. Why?

He never defended Sam Bee and didn’t condemn Bar, but rather made excuses for her saying it was due to mental illness.

[LostOne4Ever]

90. Weren't you quoting bill Maher to me a while back over something I didn't even say?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10456029

Now you are attacking him? Make up your mind!

[Trumpocalypse]

97. I don't play team politics

I’ll quote Maher when he says something smart that I agree with and criticize him when he does or says something objectionable.
That’s the big problem with our politics these days. People aren’t willing to criticize those they think are on their team. I know many republicans who agree with many Democratic/progressive policies but would never vote for a Dem because they are on the “other team”.
Too much of our politics is based on this team mentality and cult of personality.

[Bradshaw3]

103. I hope you return and admit you were wrong

Not only did Maher not defend racists ( he never has) but he took down Rosanne all night long.

Examples:
"She had multiple personalities and one of them is a horrible racist."

"She's in hell and she put herself there."

"It's horrible what she said."

Whne one guest said "there are consequences" for your speech, Maher agreed.

When Bret Stephens defended Bee, Maher agreed.

So you were completely wrong about his reaction. It would be nice if for once on this site someone could back to a thread and admit hey were wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

[Trumpocalypse]

107. I wasn't

Maher repeatedly tried to make excuses for Roseanne by saying it was due to mental illness and barely mentioned Sam Bee. And just agreeing with what someone else said is tepid at best.

He never condemned Barr and barely mentioned Bee. Maybe if he had defended Bee with as much vigor as he defended Don Imus:

Bill Maher, darling of the liberals, stepped forward as Imus’s most strident defender. He called on the nation to accept Imus’s belated apology for his “bad joke.” Maher referred to Imus affectionately as a once “swaggering mustang” now broken by the people who “just like to get all upset about something” and “distract themselves from the real issues.”

https://www.liberationnews.org/07-04-20-don-imus-racist-shock-jocks-html/

[Bradshaw3]

110. Total and complete lie

I gave you numerous exampels of his attacks and Barr and what he said about Bee. You made the statement that he would defend Barr more than Bee. Not only was that wrong - as the examples I showed proved - but he ripped Barr many times. I gave yo direct quotes. Now you're going to pretend he didn't say what he did.

You obviously have an agenda that makes anything you write not credible. I figured you wouldn't admit you were wrong when you clearly are but didn't think you would totally ignore facts and make further untrue accusations. Sheesh. Obviously nothing he could sayd would change anytbing. So you have to repost something from yerars ago while ignoring what was said last night.

[Trumpocalypse]

113. He never attacked Barr

He made a few jokes but then made excuses for her.

My agenda is truth, not defend Bill Maher at all cost because he's on are team.

[Bradshaw3]

116. Then refute the exampes I gave

You can't becasue he said them. Your agenda is to not tell the truth because of an agenda, no matter how much you repeat the falsehood.

[Trumpocalypse]

117. I don't need to refute them

They actually prove my point.

[Bradshaw3]

119. Good grief

You have ZERO credibility.

[Trumpocalypse]

121. With you maybe.

I can live with that.

[phleshdef]

128. Or most of the people who responded to this thread.

You made yourself look foolish. Own it because you'll never change it.

[Trumpocalypse]

131. No

Those in the Maher cult of personality are the ones who look foolish.

[bitterross]

136. He may well defend Barr. I'm okay with that.

I do see a very fine line between what Bee and Barr did.

Bee did her comments as part of a bit and they were clearly meant as political commentary. However, does anyone think she personally believes much differently than what she said? If so, then why did she allow herself to be used for such purposes?

People have spent a lot of time defending Bee for what she said in a bit and I believe she probably personally thinks.

People have spent a lot of time dogging Barr for what she said out loud and is what she clearly thinks.

One was abject racism and one was abject misogyny. Are we giving Bee a pass because she's a woman making fun of a woman and we agree with her? Would we be as supportive if a Seth Myers or Trevor Noah did the same bit Bee did? I don't think we were all that supportive of right-wing comics who made the same sort of jokes about the Obamas. Certainly, we went ballistic when Ted Nugent called Hillary the c-word.

This one is a tough call for me. The way I come down on it in the end is that Barr has a whole, very long history of this sort of thing and the weight of that is far greater than the weight of one bit by Bee.

[Trumpocalypse]

139. Thanks for an intelligent post.

Just one minor disagreement. While I think both statements were objectionable. I do think the line is a bit thicker between the two.

[BannonsLiver]

142. The show aired Friday night (6/1)

He didn’t defend Roseanne, so no need to hypothesize.

[Crunchy Frog]

137. This thread resembles the Argument Clinic.

[Trumpocalypse]

140. A Python classic, 😂

[Blue_Adept]

149. The result of this episode and this thread really highlight one thing

Just how different people can perceive something that's said and what they take away from it.

We see that throughout politics in general but this really highlights it.