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BaronChocula

(1,547 posts)
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 02:34 PM Jun 2018

David Corn and the Dem Messaging Deficit

Mother Jones' David Corn just published a piece sounding the alarm at how Trump is winning the messaging war in the Russia investigation because there is no sufficient rhetorical opposition. It's not so much that there is no pushback. There is no rhetorical offense. But it's not just in the case of Russian collusion. Democrats are out-messaged for lack of going on coordinated offense 100% of the time.

Let's take a page from the book of Gopper messaging. No - Let's take the entire book. With nothing to offer, Goppers put negative spin on every move Democrats make with quick denigrating phrases that seep down to those white suburban women who literally swing in the balance. Suburbanites were soaking up Gopper messaging on Obamacare before Obamacare even became law which helped to shift House leadership to Gopper hands. Goppers have a simple offensive phrase for everything Dems support with the purpose of sowing doubt in the Dem agenda.

Dems, on the other hand do have an agenda, but we have no messaging. While it's so easy, it's never done. It's VEXING. No safe Dem should talk about the Trump Administration without mentioning how Americans are tired of the DAILY CORRUPTION, LIES, AND COVERUPS. It's so easy.

No Dem should avoid the opportunity to talk about the MASSIVE DEFICIT HIKE passed by Goppers which PUNISHES THE MIDDLE CLASS FOR MAKING LESS MONEY. It's so easy!

No one should talk about and White House officials and their Congressional allies without referring to them as CONSPIRATORS where applicable. It's so easy!

No Dem should talk about agenda and vision for the future without talking about THE MORAL HERITAGE OF OUR COUNTRY. We should own it. It's so easy.

Goppers never lost points by using rhetoric to undermine voter faith in Democrats and the Democratic Party. They are the only ones playing on that field. Yes, we need Adam Schiff to explain the legal ins and outs of Gopper corruption, but we also need to frame what we would want the typical suburban white voter to parrot to their friends. Whose message do we want them to repeat - ours or theirs?

Should we be going on offense on points in the Russia investigation? Yes. That would be a great place to START.

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David Corn and the Dem Messaging Deficit (Original Post) BaronChocula Jun 2018 OP
I agree that we need a clear message and that it spooky3 Jun 2018 #1
What the hell is wrong with us??? BaronChocula Jun 2018 #9
Here's the message jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #2
I see what you did there BaronChocula Jun 2018 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2018 #3
He's right ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2018 #4
Every time Corporate Katy Tur & Co ask a Dem a question... BaronChocula Jun 2018 #7
Agree ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2018 #11
+100 superpatriotman Jun 2018 #12
I've been saying this for weeks -- RandomAccess Jun 2018 #5
Even as I watch Trump blame Dems for immigrant kids being detained... BaronChocula Jun 2018 #6
Yes, but the "us" and "we" need to be RandomAccess Jun 2018 #10
We probably should be saying something Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #13

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
1. I agree that we need a clear message and that it
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jun 2018

Needs to be repeated by many Dems. It costs next to nothing but makes a huge difference.

Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
4. He's right ...
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 03:24 PM
Jun 2018

Dems do have trouble with messaging. Yes, I know that the corporate media is too busy covering 20-30% of Fatso-In-Chief's deplorable base 'round the clock it seems Or, most in the corporate media are trying to gen up trouble between Dems/Indy's with one or both Clinton's between , but I would keep taking and putting out facts even if I was standing alone in a forest, and with this mostly corporate media who really doesn't do it's job, that's what I'd be doing if I were a Dem.

BaronChocula

(1,547 posts)
7. Every time Corporate Katy Tur & Co ask a Dem a question...
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 04:31 PM
Jun 2018

that Dem should take the opportunity to go on offense with determined, short, repeatable coordinated messages. If Goppers have taught us anything it's that part of leading is creating the narrative and drilling it in.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
11. Agree ...
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:11 PM
Jun 2018

But they don't. There is NO consistent messaging. NONE. Dems need better surrogates too, because Dem surrogates are "too" polite. Just too polite. I've seen them sitting there while a thuglican interrupts and they say nothing. Even during their talking points, they politely YIELD the right of way to thuglicans who take up all or most of the air time

*Le Sigh.*

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
5. I've been saying this for weeks --
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 03:52 PM
Jun 2018

and a couple of DUers accused me of "wanting to be entertained." I think they were being purposely obstinate and cantankerous.

My position is that the Dems -- specifically Schumer and Pelosi (plus appropriate committee members for appropriate issues) -- need to get out there and make some NOISE and counter Trump's and Huckabee Sanders' lies. I propose a weekly news conference where they take down the lies one by one -- well, the big lies, anyway.

WHO's pushing back on "there is no collusion"? NO ONE
WHO's pushing back on "the Dems are obstructionist"? NO ONE
WHO's pushing back on the DACA lies? NO ONE
WHO's pushing back on the Mueller probe is a DEMOCRATIC hoax? NO ONE.
WHO's pushing back on the horrific separation of children at the border? Merkeley and NO ONE else.

Etc., Etc, Etc. If the lies aren't countered -- loudly, long and strong -- then they settle in quite nicely into the brains of more casual news consumers.


BaronChocula

(1,547 posts)
6. Even as I watch Trump blame Dems for immigrant kids being detained...
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jun 2018

Someone needs to come out and say "This is another catastrophe with Donald Trump's fingerprints all over it and as usual, he's trying to shift the blame."

Imagine if we repeated that message again and again and again. For everything he did.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
13. We probably should be saying something
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 06:19 PM
Jun 2018

but I'm not even sure what to say about the utter nonsense that Trump tweets out on a daily basis. It's like, how does an adult respond to constant two-year old tantrums- by a grown adult? Normally, when a two-year old starts getting cranky and throwing a tantrum, that's when a responsible parent puts them to bed or down for a nap. At the moment, the Republicans are *supposed* to be the adults in the room exercising control and discipline over Toddler Trump but, of course, they're not and there's not much Democrats can really say or do about it.

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