Multiple Dem candidates may cost Democrats in California. Updated 1:17

[Demsrule86]

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Democratic vote watered down...what a shame...according to MSNBC.

Update...Dem Harder is ahead of GOP Howze by two points...so looking better...fingers crossed. Hairseade and Bowe are now tied...if bowe wins we are locked out of Rohrbachers general race....sigh.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/5/17425334/california-primary-election-2018-live-results-polls

Update 1:14 Keistead (D) moves ahead of Baugh (R) by 1 point...encouraging...fingers crossed.

[BigmanPigman]

1. Damn it!

I voted knowing this too! I used strategy to vote for the Dems who I normally wouldn't have voted for just to avoid this problem. I even kept a rough copy and planned it out and told everyone I know too. SHIT!!!

[Demsrule86]

3. What a waste if it happens...it could still work out for Dems...so fingers crossed.

It is still very close...but a warning for future primaries.

[Demsrule86]

9. Kierstead a couple of hundred votes in front of third place GOP for Robebacher's seat...Harder

in trouble too. in house 10...less than 1000 votes ...we could be shut out...we may lose two candidates in two races in areas Hillary won...so pissed at those who ran knowing they could endanger the attempt to take the house.

[Demsrule86]

11. four districts in total that Hillary carried and due too many Dems in primary, we may be locked out.

Let's hope it doesn't happen because if it does...we can kiss the House goodbye.

[RockRaven]

2. I'm tired of this hand-wringing...

They never bother to point out that the other side of the coin is that quite a number of races will have 2 Dems and be guaranteed shut-outs for Repubs.

I'm not particularly a fan of this style primary. But I'm pretty f*cking tired of people pointing to California as a reason why Dems might not win back the House. We hold up our f*cking end when it comes to electing Democrats. CA's delegation is 39-14 in the House of Reps at the moment. Get your sh*t in gear America and do likewise.

[Demsrule86]

4. Well Rohrabacher's seat may not be one of them...and one seat given to the GOP is one

seat to many...Dems should have dropped out so this did not happen...the point is to win. We need to win the house an it is irresponsible to have so many in a primary that we could lose the chance to take the seat in the general.

[California_Republic]

5. Agreed! This system bring less extreme candidates forward.

We are blue as heck..... but it’s not enough

[Demsrule86]

6. It really doesn't matter if there are too Dems in safe seats...but it matters when we lose the shot

at GOP seats when we desperately need them to take the House...if we lose the chance to take the house...it will be because of California...but the races are close...hopefully Dems will pull it out.

[RockRaven]

10. If "we" lose the House it will be because too few people voted for Democrats in 535 districts

Go flog people in Florida, and Virginia, and North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, and Michigan, and Ohio, and Texas, and Iowa, etc, etc, etc... Their votes matter as much as anyone in California.

[Demsrule86]

14. We were counting on four districts in particular where Hillary won...we may be locked out...

in these California districts hopefully not.

[Demsrule86]

15. We are talking about California where there is no gerrymander which is important...because in other

states we don't just have to win...we have to win big big....so those seats were important...too many candidates spoil the broth...it is a fact.

[JI7]

16. no, in the California system a lot of democrats can vote but if they split among many democrats

while fewer republicans focus on a couple candidates it can hurt democrats even though overall most votes went to democrats.

[Garrett78]

7. But where we have 2 Dems running, we would have won anyway.

Be it Dem vs. Dem or Dem vs. Rep, those are safe districts. So, I think the hand-wringing is understandable.

8 Democrats are running in CA-32. Eight! Against just 2 Republicans. In a very blue district. I doubt we'll get shut out there, but it sure would be infuriating if it happens.

Meanwhile, several districts (especially CA-48) are at risk. We need to do away with this jungle primary.

[Demsrule86]

17. We have a GOP governor candidate in California now...enough votes if one candidate

had dropped out for it not to have happened. This encourages GOP turnout in the fall and could cause trouble in down ballot races.

[Garrett78]

19. It's too early to say if Cox would have made the November ballot if Chiang had dropped out.

And we should remember that the Republican vote was split, as well, with both Cox and Allen running.

That said, I'm also opposed to this top-2 system, though there is a chance De León will come in 2nd in the Senate contest.

[RockRaven]

18. Every district/office (including Senate/Governor) where there are 2 Dems

is a race where the national-level party/donors/PACs/SuperPACs don't need to spend any money to keep the seat in D control. For the Senate/Gubernatorial races that is many millions of dollars that can be spent elsewhere. Whether it balances or not is an important question, but one cannot honestly weigh the costs/benefits of this style primary by ignoring half the ledger.

[Garrett78]

21. That's a valid argument.

But, again, those are safe districts that wouldn't require a whole lot of spending.

Overall, I'd say the potential negatives outweigh the potential positives.

[JI7]

8. the 2 Dem races are races where a democrat would win against a republican anyways.

[Demsrule86]

13. There are four seats that Hillary won the district where we may be locked out...heard it on MSNBC

a minute ago.

[Demsrule86]

12. It doesn't matter if we get locked out of four seats...primaries are a means to an end.

[liskddksil]

20. Dave Wasserman thinks otherwise at this point

Link to tweet

[Garrett78]

22. Yeah, it looks like we'll escape...based on where votes are still outstanding.

I'm still not a fan of this top-2 system.

[Demsrule86]

23. I saw that ...hope he is right...there is one where we are tied right now... others winning but not

by much...48 is tied.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/5/17425334/california-primary-election-2018-live-results-polls

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. Don't worry, I'm sure Bernie, some how, will be blamed for that.

[nini]

24. That's their plan

Divide.

[Demsrule86]

25. You are right...we could take 7 seats if we had regular primaries...party discipline

should have been enforced...those with low numbers needed to go.