This message was self-deleted by its author

[Fresh_Start]

This message was self-deleted by its author (Fresh_Start) on Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:58 PM. When the original post in a discussion thread is self-deleted, the entire discussion thread is automatically locked so new replies cannot be posted.

[RobertEarl]

1. nah

When the hate is displayed so publicly it is our duty to make them eat their words.

Repeat after me: This is about Chic-full-a-hate.

[xchrom]

2. I think your post is homophobic. Nt

[NYC_SKP]

10. That's kinda harsh, xchrom.

Can't we save that epithet for more clearly homophobic posts?

Maybe the OP thinks that jobs is a better selling point, without believing that LGBT rights are any less important.

I think it's a strategy comment, not an opinion of what counts.

Damn I hate this shit: homophobia and homophobia accusations.

[Fresh_Start]

15. thanks for the defence

you are correct it is a strategy comment because I honestly felt we were winning and don't want to see the Tax issue and the Mittwit issue all lost in the 'family values' bullshit put out by the GOP

we keep letting them move the discussion into the no win territory of "family values" (which I don't believe they have but they've managed to sell americans on that erroneous belief)

[tritsofme]

31. Remember Uncle Leo in Seinfeld? And how he thought everyone and his mother was an Anti-Semite?

It was a running gag, in the show.

That's what this post reminds me of.

[xchrom]

43. So I guess protests against segregated lunch counters were nothing?

Just a bunch of noisy shit & ultimately rand Paul & crew are right - it's just their right?

We're not at the lunch counter discrimination - but we're breathing down it's neck - glad to see you support the bigots?

[tritsofme]

48. I don't see where I said anything that could reasonably resemble anything from your post.

You made a completely unfounded and ridiculous accusation, just because the OP had an opinion different from yours, not on substance, but strategy.

I don't even necessarily agree with the OP, but you don't do any help to your cause by declaring people who substantively agree with you on gay rights bigots. It's an Uncle Leo act.

Have a discussion on why your strategy is better.

[Pyrzqxgl]

3. I'd never heard of them before this discussion started

I'd be glad to see them go away

[arely staircase]

4. we are capable of multitasking

Im pretty capable pf standing up for human rights AND against income inequality and so are you.

[Fresh_Start]

9. we had a demotivated gop base

do we really need to rouse them?

[Luminous Animal]

34. Shhh. Don't overtly support the gays during an election year.

[arely staircase]

39. yeah i wouldn't want to get them riled up

This is is bad for Republicans not us. Sorry I don't buy your premise?

[fishwax]

24. +1 n/t

[TheKentuckian]

30. Capable and effective aren't always the same thing.

I'd argue as a movement we are failing in epic fashion in dealing with income and wealth disparity, floundering on the best day in protecting civil liberties, and are between mediocre and dicey on equality.

I also lean in the direction that if we don't deal with the economics successfully all the rest will wither and die. No bucks, no Buck Rogers.

Of course equality is far from a distraction, the distraction is trying to use government as the tool to enforce thought and speech control because it seems like an amazingly poorly thought out reaction likely to have a much greater net downside than any possible gain.

There also seems to be a desire among many who identify on the left to focus on social issues and largely let the economics go. The idea that anything like actual equality can come out of this system seems absurd.

I'm just not seeing much walking or gum chewed over the last several decades, in fact we are going backward pretty damn fast and ever more free trade, corporate power, and concentration of wealth while workers have less and less hand by the year and opportunity dwindles.

Walking and chewing gum at the same time sounds good but is it actually true in real world outcomes? In a corporatist nation there are no rights or self determination. Empty pockets and scurrying between low wage jobs to maintain the home fires makes any trip to the mountaintop damn near impossible.

[arely staircase]

44. more

More Americans agree with Democrats on gay marriage than Republicans. This isn't the 1990s. Yes economics needs to be the focus and income inequality front in center in the discussion. And im sure that's why I hear the president and democrats talk a lot more these days about Republicans voting down his plan to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the one percent. Not to mention the fact Romney will raise taxes on the middle/working class while lowering them for people like himself. The only time I have seen social issues really come up im this cycle has been in the Republican primaries where they all tried to outcrazy each h other, driving up Republican negatives generally .

[MADem]

5. "We" don't tell the nation what to do. Hide thread is your friend.

Don't let that concern consume you.

I have long been able to walk and chew gum at the very same time.

[hay rick]

7. You're right- I haven't seen a good gun thread in days.

Old bigots lining up in front of c-f-a is only going to creep out the undecideds. It's all good.

[Callmecrazy]

8. I agree.

Enough of this distracting bullshit.

If you don't like his views don't patronize his business. The food sucks anyways.

[kimbutgar]

12. Agreed it will only give fuel fo Fox to say liberals are mean

and unAmerikan for boycotting chick a shit.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. Yes, let it go and let them move on to their next outrage.

By keeping them riled up on this we are sending Chick Fil A a lot of business and free advertising. I would rather debate them on the issues.

[SnohoDem]

16. Agreed.

All the controversy is just helping them. Boycott and move on.

[MNBrewer]

26. Do you not understand that this IS debating them on "the issues"?

Or is legal same-sex marriage not an "issue"?

[Arkansas Granny]

50. I understand that this is a serious issue and it's a debate that we need to have.

I also see how the RWer's are reacting to this and I don't think we will be raising awareness if we continue what they perceive to be an attack against a fine, Christian businessman.

[Luminous Animal]

36. As if LGBTQ equality is not an issue.

[Arkansas Granny]

46. I never said it wasn't an issue. I just think that by vilifying CFA, we are giving the RWer's

an issue to beat us about the head with. The man was asked a question, he gave his opinion (to which he is entitled, even though he is wrong), and it was protested which focused a lot of attention on the issue. By continuing to use this incident, it will be seen and reported as an unfair attack on his freedom of speech or whatever. I am afraid that it will turn around and bite us in the ass.

[southernyankeebelle]

14. I am sick of hearing about it. I agree with you. You can beat a dead horse to death.

Boycott. Is good. But nothing is going to move the man in charge but boycott. That effects his bottom dollar. I mean you have to be in a damn cave not to know what has been going on.

[liberal N proud]

17. All it is doing is filling the pockets of the Chicken Coops CEO.

It was a publicity stunt driven by the media propaganda and Americans fell for it.

[Fresh_Start]

18. it was driven by the GOP more than the CEO

although of course the CEO is the happy recipient and his pockets are now more plush to support the GOP agenda

Huckabee launched the campaign and it was picked up by other conservatives

[liberal N proud]

20. What was the kick back to huckleberry?

Besides pushing right wing family values.

Answer, keeping the poor and middle class conservatives hooked to the GOP.

Win - win for both sides, the rich get richer while hooking the poor suckers at their own cost.

[Raine]

19. Agreed. nt

[Raster]

21. just curious: how many of y'all fine DUers that want us to shut up and move on are gay?

Any of you?

Any of your lives, your loves, your relationships germaine to this conversation?

Andy please, no pretzel logic. Gay or not?

[xchrom]

23. They wouldn't say this bullshit if it was about race.

But this kind of homophobia is allowed on DU.

[MNBrewer]

25. Not I

Sounds like orders came down from HQ to squelch this "distraction". Won't happen, though. I've been boycotting CFA for decades because it's a "Christian Business". Now that they're guilty as charged, I'll be bringing it up as often as possible.

Hint: Look for threads about Pizza Ranch in the future. There's a reason the Republican candidates were posing there for pictures in the Iowa primary season. It's run by crazy Christianists, hence, Santorum Salad.

[Chorophyll]

42. I'm not gay but I'm shocked and appalled by this thread.

People are tired of hearing about this? Too bad. Real Democrats don't fall silent in the face of open bigotry.

[Zoeisright]

22. Wrong.

Shining a light on bigotry and hate is never wrong.

[Lint Head]

27. It will go away and very soon. The right wingers have short memory spans.

[Fresh_Start]

28. I hope so nt

nt

[jpbollma]

29. As a gay man I am conflicted

although it may or may not work in our favor, it is the right thing to do. We wouldn't allow a business to do this to latinos, african americans, muslims, atheists, Jews, asians or the tons of other groups who make up our party. Why another standard for LGBT? That's not right. Geez it makes it sound like we are second class in our own party.

I thought this kiss in thing was dumb though. We should have donated food to a pantry or found some other way to protest them. How did this whole kiss in thing even work out? Are Chik-Fil-A's even near areas where lots of gays live?

[Fresh_Start]

32. we are all conflicted

its in no way endorsement of the company...its seeing how quickly the GOP jumped on the issue
thats fueled my concern about not giving the GOP something to energize their voters

[Chorophyll]

37. I'm not conflicted. When something is wrong, you fight it.

I'm not gonna be silent about injustice just because the GOP might "jump on it." Where has that ever gotten us?

[xchrom]

38. L.A., NY - - places like that.

Even more important is when we show up in Bum Fuck Egypt - because we are everywhere.

That takes even more courage.

[Fresh_Start]

45. yes it takes more courage

not sure that a public battle like Chick Fil A changes any minds. I think it more or less hardens the ones that are already set

[Justice wanted]

33. NO! We can't be quiet! IF Chick Fil A is a rally point for the Right WE need to

be twice as vocal on the left! In nation wide poll after poll More and More Americans are accepting of the "Gay life-style" Lots in my generation and younger generations see it as needing to have been over and EVERYONE gay Straight should have the same rights and benefits.

THIS is why Liberals loose they let go of things. They runaway from a fight.

[Chorophyll]

35. I think part of what we do as Democrats is to stand up for civil rights.

And I think we are capable of boycotting this barfy fast-food chain and winning elections simultaneously.

I mean, what other stories should we let die? The war on women? Climate change?

[jpbollma]

40. Well Climate Change is Already Dead

So maybe gay rights are next? lol. In all seriousness, liberals need to stop running and wetting the bed. I never thought the base would be more scared of the Right than Obama, Reid, and Pelosi our leaders who are finally fighting back with a vengeance.

[spanone]

41. we?

[IMG][/IMG]

[unapatriciated]

47. I have heard this request before just a few short years ago.

I will say what I said then. Civil rights for all is something I will never be quiet about. We are always in election mode so no I won't STFU. My daughter deserves the same rights that I and my husband enjoy.

[Zax2me]

49. It's the 'you can't build in THIS city' that started the backlash

The boycotting would have created little backlash to none.
The ' we won't ALLOW you to build a store here' fascism is what pissed them off.
They usually corner the fascist market.

[jpbollma]

51. I would only say they can't build if they

aren't following anti-discrimination laws. From what I read, the alderman in Chicago has been trying to get Chik-Fil-A to say they will follow state law on discrimination for 9 months and they won't commit. If a white power group wanted to build a store in Chicago and wouldn't commit to hiring african americans would they be allowed to build? Gay rights just aren't taken as seriously as other rights.